Well its not under feeding. Checked on them this morning and they are slowly showing signs of nute burn with the 350 ppm solution (150 tap / 200 nutes) At this poing I am going to flush then with 5.5 water and stop feeding them until they bounce back. Old leaves do not repair themselves correct? its been hard to diagnose these clones as they have been growing so slowly I have no new growth to check if the difficency is gone. but if 200ppm of nutes burned them then im not sure how low i need to start them at and how long to feed them plain PHd water?
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jaag102882
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That would be okay but imo if they are now showing nute burn id cut back nutes all together for at least a few days...
jaag102882
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as far as the leaves go you will hear several opinions... i choose to cut off the bad part unless more than 50% of the leave is damaged at which point it typically falls off... i hope flushing with the water helps... if so consider using a different brand of nutes...
painkillerman
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ppm of ur water please pics please aswell what kind ppm u jump up 50ppm max at time give few days go from there also food eaten depends on many factors i also think i rec u raise ur P and not N which is causing ur burn that u say they have
Pics are on another computer ill post the nute burn soon as I can. They burnt after the first feeding and I never increased nutes after that. Ended up flushing them with 5.5 ph'd water and got a runoff of 5.8.
The ppm of my tap water ranges from 150ppm to 190ppm or .3 - .4 EC is this bad? I end up with about a 350-360 solution so about 200 ppm of nutes. Is it the nutes that are burning them or is it my tap water? After this last flush I am starting to see small black circles on the edges of the leaves that looks like a calcium deficiency and the yellowing between the leaf veins looks like a mg or zinc def. I picked up some CalMag but Im not sure how much to use . Did not think that fully rooted clones would burn so easily as I was planning on eventually running a SoG grow with rooted clones going straight into flower.
What do you mean I said my P and not N? I am using Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro which is an all in one I cant change the ratio unless i mix it with the bloom which I have not done. The only other thing I add is ProTekt which is just Silica and K no P.
I am thinking the almost 200PPM of the tap and the fact that its 8.1 and then rises to 8.3 after 24 hours or so is what is giving me so much grief. I looked into RO systems but would prefer not to get into that just yet if I can avoid it. After some more research I found this interesting DIY http://www.420magazine.com/forums/d...ll-scale-grower-cheap-portable-effective.html but I dont beleive they carries these in stores any more. Are they other filter options to bring my PPM down to something manageable and how do they affect PH?
The ppm of my tap water ranges from 150ppm to 190ppm or .3 - .4 EC is this bad? I end up with about a 350-360 solution so about 200 ppm of nutes. Is it the nutes that are burning them or is it my tap water? After this last flush I am starting to see small black circles on the edges of the leaves that looks like a calcium deficiency and the yellowing between the leaf veins looks like a mg or zinc def. I picked up some CalMag but Im not sure how much to use . Did not think that fully rooted clones would burn so easily as I was planning on eventually running a SoG grow with rooted clones going straight into flower.
What do you mean I said my P and not N? I am using Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro which is an all in one I cant change the ratio unless i mix it with the bloom which I have not done. The only other thing I add is ProTekt which is just Silica and K no P.
I am thinking the almost 200PPM of the tap and the fact that its 8.1 and then rises to 8.3 after 24 hours or so is what is giving me so much grief. I looked into RO systems but would prefer not to get into that just yet if I can avoid it. After some more research I found this interesting DIY http://www.420magazine.com/forums/d...ll-scale-grower-cheap-portable-effective.html but I dont beleive they carries these in stores any more. Are they other filter options to bring my PPM down to something manageable and how do they affect PH?
painkillerman
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nitrogen /phosphrus but i keep forgeting ppl still use one part nutes my bad (also not my choice ur seeing y)ur tap water is killing u man making ur life harder than it has to be even if 40% that salt/unwantables u dont know whats in 60% thats useful i think its all useless a causing unknowns even worse high calcuim just tons headaches to know whats in ur water also those 200ppm is robing u 200ppm food cant replace without ubtil ur ppm is clean 50or less 100max i run 5 ppm/6.3ph after ro before nutes buy some disstilled if cant afford it all use it to cut ur water 50/50 ull see better easier to obtain results plus cleaner water is more ph stable longer
Here are some picks of the nute burn and within the past 12 hours they have started showing black spots? which i believe is a K deficiency but not sure. and I also noticed some weird stem coloring anyone know what this is? its on the GDP and the bluedream are almost all purple.
jaag102882
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im pretty sure purple stems are a phosphorus def... check out this site might help you some... http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/plant_abuse.html ... and as far as the water goes my water is the exact same as yours and i never have issues with it... i still think it has something to do with the nutes and nute strength imo...
no one can tell me what these spots are? as far as I can tell the brown spots are no longer spreading so whatever caused it is gone but for future reference id like to know what it is and how to prevent it. my guess is that since these spots showed after adding in calmag to my nutes that I over did it on the calcium which locked out other nutrients. i immediately stopped using the calmag and have not seen any further spots but the existing ones did get slightly darker. I may have just answered my own question but im so unsure of everything as this is my first time. the GDP which has more spots than either of the other two is also the greenest fastest growing out of the 3 strains with deadhead not far behind. oddly enough these are the two strains that have the spots and the bluedream has none.
The blue dream is still giving me problems though, the tips are turning a grayish brown with some tips curling up and some curling down on the same plant the tips are very brittle. PH is 5.8 in and runnoff is 6.1-6.2 but have researched repeatedly that the runoff PH doesn't mean a whole lot with coco. ppms are about 300 going in (this includes tap at 150ppm) and ~270 coming out
The blue dream is still giving me problems though, the tips are turning a grayish brown with some tips curling up and some curling down on the same plant the tips are very brittle. PH is 5.8 in and runnoff is 6.1-6.2 but have researched repeatedly that the runoff PH doesn't mean a whole lot with coco. ppms are about 300 going in (this includes tap at 150ppm) and ~270 coming out
jaag102882
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the only other thing i can recommend is switching nutes... i use gh floranova bloom and grow to the exact instructions on the bottle and i have never had an issue... even with my tap water being around 8.0 the nutes pull it down to 5.7 everytime...
Well I have what I have and will use it. Thinking about something different for the clones I intend to put into flower and use the DG for the mothers. the GDP and the Deadhead are showing so much improvement that I don't really think its the nutes but I did a ppm test and they do seem very concentrated about 100ppm per gallon at 1ml/gallon of the grow protekt is about 10ppm per gallon at the same ratio and calmag came in at 45ppm per gallon. Stopped using calmag as i have a lot of calcium in my tap and it was overkill. mag try some epson salt though. When i checked them today all of them are rooting nicely in that I can see roots along the sides of the pot when i squeeze a side open. will be transplanting to 10x10 pots soon.
currently giving the GDP and Deadhead 300ppm and the blue dream half of that because it just doesn't have the roots yet that the others do. all the new foliage is looking great and as long as it stays that way then I say problem solved. will post some pics in a bit.
As far as PH the DG foliage pro does bring my 8.1 down easily but the protekt adds PH like crazy. I wonder if its really needed.
currently giving the GDP and Deadhead 300ppm and the blue dream half of that because it just doesn't have the roots yet that the others do. all the new foliage is looking great and as long as it stays that way then I say problem solved. will post some pics in a bit.
As far as PH the DG foliage pro does bring my 8.1 down easily but the protekt adds PH like crazy. I wonder if its really needed.
