FISA Abuse troll is a scam.

Also Manafort was under FBI investigation since 2014, so are they now saying that Manafort was a American government plant like they did with Page? Did they have some crystal ball or force Trump to hire the criminal? Nope, and because of that and his calling out for Russia to hack his political opponent on July 27, he made it impossible to not open a investigation into him.

And the fact that we did not hear about it until well after the election shows there was no political bias (other than whatever Russian/Trump fingerprints get found in it that is). And if nothing else they went out of their way to actually not hurt Trump's chances by announcing Hillary'emails being found on Anthony Weiner's laptop (no way that could have been Russian planted to stoke the fires of a future conspiracy theory if Clinton won) days before the election, benefitting Trump.

lol I got to give it to you @Bugeye I would have never given this report/hearing any thought whatsoever if not for all your hyping it. Thank you for that.

Senator Leahy just laid it out, all of the mistakes that Graham are going on about, happened AFTER Trump became president, so yeah sure if they did something wrong get all upset and they should be fixed.

But it stops nothing that they heard BEFORE the election, so any wrongdoing is completely on Trump and he is caught because everything Mueller has was legitimate.

If the Ivanka Trump ties to Christopher Steele of the "Steele Dossier" fame, Grassley just was talking about Steele being over there with someone planting with either a Obama or Clinton aide, like it was some conspiracy. ..

Anyways I think I get this trolling of the Democrats by the Republicans and the Russians now.
They figured out that Trump screwed up and got caught surrounding himself with criminals and idiots when Trump became POTUS in Jan. 2017. When the FISA application on Carter Page was released showing October 2016.



So with the Russians saying, we will release all the calls (they recorded) they had on their backchannel with Trump to the public, they know the FBI already has everything from that period anyways. Mike Pompeo seemed to freak a bit after he said this ( I still need to watch the unedited version I saw on WAPO) (more interesting is that WAPO has changed the story and that video is no longer on it so I can't link to the edited version I saw on it), saying any interference from them will not be tolerated.

So it seems they are starting to not like Russia tugging on his tail in public. Has anyone seen POTUS since his meeting btw? I am not on twitter. Is he still taking shower?

Senator Cornyn: "What kind of protection do average citizens have that their government won't use this vast power against them, and essentially ruin their lives."

Durbin: Do you know why/when (going to paraphrase) lawyers are exempt from investigation by IG.

Horowitz: "In 1988, Attorneys, ( FBI and DEA not until 2002 because of some spy scandal) are not subject to the IG" when they created the IG."

So they now have put up a bill to make that investigable too that another Republican senator is co sponsoring to stop that loophole.

This troll has been set by the Republicans for a long time. Giulliani is hard to investigate because of this. And he needs to be since he had knowledge of the emails being leaked by the Russians ahead of time. And his ongoing troll of Ukraine.

OOh, listened to it again, Basically the Republicans set it up so that the DEA, FBI and Attorneys would not be investigable by the specific IG that he is, so the Republicans had power when they appointed him, knowing that he COULD NOT investigate Guiliani.

The rest of it is the Republicans basically clutching pearls about how horrible it was that the FBI abused it's power as some pre-troll on Trump hearings. But they are ignoring that the 'negligent behavior' happened AFTER the investigation was started by a completely non biased person in the FBI and no intentional misconduct in any of the agents involved.

So they find out the President elect is working with the Russians and meltdown in their personal lives (they are still humans) having no clue of what will happen when he becomes the actual President and they are the ones who know what he is up to for real, no BS conspiracy theory but actually know.

Edit: Interesting to think about Guilliani not wanting anything but the Attorney General job in light of it not being able to be investigated by a IG.

Someone brought up Glenn Simpson as being one of the 2 people that refused the meeting with Horowitz. Who hired Christopher Steele to do some opposition research on Trump originally for the Cruz campaign.

From Wikipedia:
The sole shareholder of Prevezon was Russian citizen Denis Katsyv, whose father is Petr Katsyv, vice president of Russia's state-run rail monopoly and "reportedly a business associate of Vladimir Yakunin, a confidant of Vladimir Putin". Katsyv's Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was not licensed to practice in the US, and Katsyv hired the law firm of BakerHostetler to represent Prevezon; BakerHostetler hired Fusion GPS in early 2014 to provide research help for the litigation.

We know in 2014 (Right after Snowden landed in Russia in 2013 with the NSA data files showing Russia all the fun little data collection methods they had) was when they started sending Russian agents to America to start their troll that ended up with the Russians using their social media warfare to help get Trump elected.

I lost my train of though...

@rollitup

Would spamming our forum with half a dozen right wing links every day be considered spam?

How much spam does it take to make spam?

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How much spam does it take to make spam?

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Seems the replacements landed last night.

I love they had to update that meme with new minions. They need to do one with all the convicts.

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Why isn't Russia/trump calling Carter page a spy?

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My guess, is because as soon as he became POTUS he had the poor kid surveilled to spring this troll. I haven't seen any good explanation of what they had him under FISA for on the later 3 times, only on the one in October 2016. The investigation was 2016 (Obama) to 2018 (Trump), so the Republicans can play dumb and act like everything was before Trump was POTUS, and let Trump/Barr play the next FISA scam up on.

hanimmal said:

My guess, is because as soon as he became POTUS he had the poor kid surveilled to spring this troll. I haven't seen any good explanation of what they had him under FISA for on the later 3 times, only on the one in October 2016. The investigation was 2016 (Obama) to 2018 (Trump), so the Republicans can play dumb and act like everything was before Trump was POTUS, and let Trump/Barr play the next FISA scam up on.

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As I understand, the warrants would only be renewed only if the surveillance produced valuable intelligence. I don't think I'm alone in feeling there's something a little off with page, maybe it's just his larvea like character, IDK.

Justin-case said:

As I understand, the warrants would only be renewed only if the surveillance produced valuable intelligence. I don't think I'm alone in feeling there's something a little off with page, maybe it's just his larvea like character, IDK.

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Yeah he has that 'I got out of prison and it did not go well for me' look to him.

From what I read (this could be a little off) that in 2004 he was in Russia trying to open up a business and started to get sucked into that world.

It sounds like at some point he was busted/turned by the CIA and they may have sent Page into Trump's campaign to see how bad the Russian stink was. And then was picked up by the FBI as a suspicious person in October 2016, for the First FISA.

The next three FISA I am very curious when they were. Because they have seemingly kept which FISA was illegally changed and that change duplicated. Especially since Trump may have had prior knowledge of the work Steele was doing trying to get an investigation opened on Trump by his ties to Ivanka.

The Russian Lawyer too doing the long con on Fusion GPS starting in 2014 should fit into this somehow too.

Bugeye said:

Of course the FBI spied on the Trump campaign - Washington Examiner

The great debate about whether the FBI spied on the Trump campaign continues. The question is why there is still any argument. The newly released report from Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz shows that by any definition the FBI did indeed spy.The proof is in the details of...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

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Hmmmm, that's compelling. But what does the Epoch Times say about it?

Lol

Not one instance of withholding exculpatory evidence on any FISA applications. Some die hard Trumpers said there was plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Justin-case said:

As I understand, the warrants would only be renewed only if the surveillance produced valuable intelligence. I don't think I'm alone in feeling there's something a little off with page, maybe it's just his larvea like character, IDK.

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I re-read this, what seems to have happened is that someone that joined the FBI team after the initial FISA changed the information about Christopher Steele on the second one, because in between they found out that Carter Page was a CIA informant (it seems based on Republican's talking points) and should have pointed this out to the Court for the new FISA, which may or may not have been before or after Trump was POTUS, so it really is impossible to know how bad that is until someone is in court about it.

Because it could be more Trump trolling knowing he was caught and needed to burn Page/Manafort (idk much of the "Steele Dossier" content outside of what is in testimony) who was turned in by Christopher Steele, who then leaked it to the press, who was originally being paid by Fusion GPS who were originally digging into Trump for Ted Cruz.

Edit: The person who joined the FBI team if I heard it right was will be called a "Never-Trumper", based on anti-Trump messages according to Republican's pushing Russian talking points.

Bugeye said:

William Barr Has Suddenly Become Chatty—and He’s Provided Quite an Information Dump

www.theepochtimes.com

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@Unclebaldrick he did it he posted a epoch times!

Bugeye said:

Column: Horowitz report finally unmasks Adam Schiff. Who’s going to call him out on his lies?

Now that the Horowitz report is out, revealing all those lies told by the FBI as it worked to hamstring a presidency with a debunked Russia collusion theory, here’s a question: Where do U.S. …

www.chicagotribune.com

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Spin, rinse, repeat

The fact is, Horowitz report shows quite clearly that the FBI and DOJ followed established procedures when they launched an investigation into just what the Trump election campaign was doing when it met with Russian agents hundreds of times during the election cycle.

I read that opinion piece and it was the one that was full of lies. He says what he wants about the Horowitz report without actually citing what is IN the Horowitz report. I'm embarrassed for you that you would post it up.

I'm not surprised that you did, just mildly embarrassed for you over your display of poor judgement.

Bugeye said:

Column: Horowitz report finally unmasks Adam Schiff. Who’s going to call him out on his lies?

Now that the Horowitz report is out, revealing all those lies told by the FBI as it worked to hamstring a presidency with a debunked Russia collusion theory, here’s a question: Where do U.S. …

www.chicagotribune.com

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hasn’t trump told something like 12000 lies?

Name one thing schiff has lied about so I may correct your delusion