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JSB99

JSB99

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dmatt0927 said:
i think i know what you are saying. would you say my plants are looking healthy for being about 5 weeks old?
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From what point did you start counting the weeks? They look more like 2 or 3 weeks.

Mine at around week 2
http://imgur.com/Rf4ImkM

Toped the main stalks. I cut between nodes 6 and 7, removing everything after node 6.
http://imgur.com/ia9IDyg

http://imgur.com/ndIKySU

These are mine around 3 weeks, after topping nodes 5 and 6, and after trimming.
http://imgur.com/QcwbSRx

Around 4 weeks, the last topped branches are growing out, and ready to flip
http://imgur.com/UWoEG4E
 
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dmatt0927

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well they sprouted from the seed and were right above soil feb 26th so thats when i began counting. So you cut the whole stock rather than doing the pinch method? I just did the pinch method on mine about two weeks ago id say.
 
Bignutes

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Looking better, dont be afraid to soften the main top so it goes sideways, if you look at your plant from the side the goal is all your tops are at the same height never letting one get higher then the other.
 
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Quinteli

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Bignutes said:
Looking better, dont be afraid to soften the main top so it goes sideways, if you look at your plant from the side the goal is all your tops are at the same height never letting one get higher then the other.
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Yeah I want was thinking about topping the new growth coming out, so I'm letting them rest hoping the come out fast enough to top. 4 days since a did the topping. Dont seem to stress from the fan leave remove because it was only 4.
 
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dmatt0927 said:
well they sprouted from the seed and were right above soil feb 26th so thats when i began counting. So you cut the whole stock rather than doing the pinch method? I just did the pinch method on mine about two weeks ago id say.
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I don't know when the actual starting point is, but I usually started counting when they had a couple pairs of nodes, not counting the sprouting leaves.
 
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Quinteli said:
So I took of 4 more fan leaves so the tops can get more light, I did some low stress training and bent the tops down but not too muchView attachment 4525394View attachment 4525395View attachment 4525396
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You have to stop removing fan leaves you don't need to LoL! Seriously, your plants aren't big enough to block light. When I trim mine to allow more light, it's because several fans are stacked and crunched together. Light passes through, and around fans, and reflects off of surfaces, which helps get light to the lower parts. When I say "lower parts", I mean about 12" to 14" into the canopy, where the light is usable.

Removing fans to allow more light, is only one of the reasons I look at. If the fans are not only blocking substantial light to things just a few inches deep, and a lot of condensation is developing between the stacked fans, and circulation is being blocked, which causes lots of problems, then I'll trim the top stuff.

You really shouldn't be trimming anything right now, because what you're inadvertently doing is extending your veg time by diverting energy away from growing, to repair itself. A lot of growers will tell you not trim at all, and swear by it. I've tried it, and it doesn't work for me at all. I learned how to trim properly from the beginning, so when I do it, it's with more than a decade of practice.

I do think that it's more necessary to trim in hydro, because the rapid growth rate causes my plants to grow so compact and leafy, that they'll suffocate from the inside, if I don't trim away the shell. If I were growing in soil, I probably wouldn't trim at all. Especially since trimming is a pain in the ass, and I hate doing it! So don't just trim for fun, kids LOL!
 
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JSB99 said:
You have to stop removing fan leaves you don't need to LoL! Seriously, your plants aren't big enough to block light. When I trim mine to allow more light, it's because several fans are stacked and crunched together. Light passes through, and around fans, and reflects off of surfaces, which helps get light to the lower parts. When I say "lower parts", I mean about 12" to 14" into the canopy, where the light is usable.

Removing fans to allow more light, is only one of the reasons I look at. If the fans are not only blocking substantial light to things just a few inches deep, and a lot of condensation is developing between the stacked fans, and circulation is being blocked, which causes lots of problems, then I'll trim the top stuff.

You really shouldn't be trimming anything right now, because what you're inadvertently doing is extending your veg time by diverting energy away from growing, to repair itself. A lot of growers will tell you not trim at all, and swear by it. I've tried it, and it doesn't work for me at all. I learned how to trim properly from the beginning, so when I do it, it's with more than a decade of practice.

I do think that it's more necessary to trim in hydro, because the rapid growth rate causes my plants to grow so compact and leafy, that they'll suffocate from the inside, if I don't trim away the shell. If I were growing in soil, I probably wouldn't trim at all. Especially since trimming is a pain in the ass, and I hate doing it! So don't just trim for fun, kids LOL!
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I seen a guy removing the fan leaves in flower, let the buds get some like. I felt like the 2 fan leaves were going to get big and cover the top of the plant, now the top of the plant can be focused on those fan leaves wont be focused on. They dont seemed stressed at all from the removal. I was thinking about going into flower in about in 4 days, they can recover from the clippings in 4 days for sure probably sooner. I was also thinking of topping the new growth at the top of the plants, it would be 4 toppings on each plant but if I did that I would need to veg another week, that's why I might not do it. It looks ready now
 
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Quinteli said:
I seen a guy removing the fan leaves in flower, let the buds get some like. I felt like the 2 fan leaves were going to get big and cover the top of the plant, now the top of the plant can be focused on those fan leaves wont be focused on. They dont seemed stressed at all from the removal. I was thinking about going into flower in about in 4 days, they can recover from the clippings in 4 days for sure probably sooner. I was also thinking of topping the new growth at the top of the plants, it would be 4 toppings on each plant but if I did that I would need to veg another week, that's why I might not do it. It looks ready now
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A large percentage of light actually passes through the leaves, so even if you had some in the shade, they were still getting light.

But hey, what do I know LOL!
 
JSB99

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As a new grower, when you ignore experienced growers and do what you think works best, you're now learning what not do, before knowing what you should be doing.
 
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Welp I'm going to flower today there 23 3/4 tall and look healthy. Topped them and defoailted them let the heal, the heal fast. I have the light 16 inches away I want to keep it close so they wont stretch as much, I heard that helps a bit.20200408_010500.jpg20200408_010451.jpg
 
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Quinteli said:
Welp I'm going to flower today there 23 3/4 tall and look healthy. Topped them and defoailted them let the heal, the heal fast. I have the light 16 inches away I want to keep it close so they wont stretch as much, I heard that helps a bit.View attachment 4526917View attachment 4526918
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I wanted to show you what you're going to be in store for.

I flipped mine when they were around 14" to 16". They're almost done stretching. "Almost". Overnight they grew around 4" to 5". It'll sneak up on ya, so be ready :)

I'm debating on supercropping the incredibly aggressive White Widow, in the front. Even though I started growing with WW seeds, they actually grew at different rates and sizes. That could've been from mismatched seeds, or just the health difference between them.

http://imgur.com/3Vb9moz


http://imgur.com/vUX0uy5
 
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JSB99 said:
I wanted to show you what you're going to be in store for.

I flipped mine when they were around 14" to 16". They're almost done stretching. "Almost". Overnight they grew around 4" to 5". It'll sneak up on ya, so be ready :)

I'm debating on supercropping the incredibly aggressive White Widow, in the front. Even though I started growing with WW seeds, they actually grew at different rates and sizes. That could've been from mismatched seeds, or just the health difference between them.

http://imgur.com/3Vb9moz


http://imgur.com/vUX0uy5
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Gotta do before and after so we can see the stretch. Mine got there first 12 hours last night so they still look the same size. How long is the stretch period? You could super crop be careful I have a couple of worries. 1 is height and 2 is if my branches will be able to hold the weight if the buds if the get too big. Why do you want to supercrop? Your trellis should give your plants something to hold on right.
 
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Quinteli said:
Gotta do before and after so we can see the stretch. Mine got there first 12 hours last night so they still look the same size. How long is the stretch period? You could super crop be careful I have a couple of worries. 1 is height and 2 is if my branches will be able to hold the weight if the buds if the get too big. Why do you want to supercrop? Your trellis should give your plants something to hold on right.
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Before the stretch
http://imgur.com/wX8iI73

The bottom net I use to spread the branches out. I'll be putting my top net up today or tomorrow. Buds get heavy, and plants grown inside can have a more difficult time holding them up. This is especially true for hydroponics, where it's pretty much always necessary to support them. Sagging branches from heavy buds needs to be supported, because the plant will use a lot of energy holding the branch up, which means less energy going into bud production.

The reason I'm going to supercrop is to level the canopy. With tall plants, the lights need to be higher. That means less light energy reaching lower parts. By supercropping, I can get the same light energy spread evenly across the canopy. It really doesn't have anything to do with supporting the plants.
 
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One of the other reasons I'm supercropping is to fill up the space left by the smaller plant in the back. What I do is bend the back plant's branches back towards the wall. Then, I do the same for the larger one in front. Kind of like an over-comb LOL!

I'll post pics after I supercrop.
 
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Quinteli

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Wow so I think I migh need trellis net,I'm a bit afraid of the supercropping I'm hoping I wont have to I will have to see how mine stretch, so far they are preety even but I understand stand everything you said, with branch support the plant will spend more energy flowering/budding, rather than supporting themselves. Having a even canopy enables you more control over light level. What should I get to support my branches when the get heavier? Do I need anything now since I flipped to flower?
 
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Quinteli said:
Wow so I think I migh need trellis net,I'm a bit afraid of the supercropping I'm hoping I wont have to I will have to see how mine stretch, so far they are preety even but I understand stand everything you said, with branch support the plant will spend more energy flowering/budding, rather than supporting themselves. Having a even canopy enables you more control over light level. What should I get to support my branches when the get heavier? Do I need anything now since I flipped to flower?
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Some people use three nets, especially when growing tall sativas. At a minimum, you should be thinking about having two nets. You might have been able to get away with one, but I think you're going to have to work to keep things under control.

Even though they're level right now, a lot can change in flower. You should be thinking of weaving your bottom net about now. It's more difficult when the plants are big and you have to work around them. Nets are plenty strong enough to hold up heavy bud branches. They more or less need something to lean against, allowing them to stand up straight.

Supercropping is easy. There's too much info out there for me to repeat it here. Just look it up. One thing I'll mention, if you accidentally snap a branch in half, or even accidentally snip a branch totally in half, while trimming, don't freak out! Happens all the time. All you need to do is take some tape, and loosely tape the branches back together. It'll repair itself and keep growing. You want to kind of loosely wrap the branches because they need slack for when they get bigger.

Even though supercropping may be necessary, it's not the only reason why one would supercrop. So even if you don't have to, you might benefit from supercropping, and increase your yield.
 
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