For the love of god! Help my plants
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That IS a crazy noob thought.
Get a humidity dome or make one.
In my experience, the only time I had sprouts look like that was when I was first starting out and fed them too soon.
What's your temp and rh today? I ask because you shouldn't need to water so often for something that young.
Your soil looks awfully dense too.
Get a dome
No nutes
Add perlite at next transplant
My temp is 23 celsius about 73 farenheit.. and 72 RH (im using a humidifier) I had a fan plugged in pointing at the plants, after turning that off the humidifier upped it from 45-50 to 72....
I am going to change soil to Gold Label with perlite mixed on monday move all the small ones when needed.
But I still don't understand whats causing the plant to look so "droopy" and weak and yellow.
I am going to change soil to Gold Label with perlite mixed on monday move all the small ones when needed.
But I still don't understand whats causing the plant to look so "droopy" and weak and yellow.
Cut the bottom off a two liter bottle or whatever fits over your pots/cups and there's your humidity dome. What problem are you fighting that a dome wouldn't solve?
Take the fan off of 'em, your stressing them.
Leave them alone.
You're killing em with kindness.
It's not like I want to play around with them, the plants were growing just fine under a 100 W clf.. once I switched to EnvoGrow 300 W it started bending and now it's almost at 90 degrees and severely discolored... The fan is off, I just assumed better circulation with a stronger lamp would be nice.
So switch lights.
They really don't need 300w bro.
They are tender right now. I pop seeds and clone under a 15w cool white, with a dome, no heat mat, in a 60° garage and have not had one problem.
300w for a seedling is a bit much.
I'm thinking the same, I've moved the 5 small ones to a 100 clf and going to keep them there, the one week I'm keeping under the 300 w just to experiment, but moved the distance to 30 cm, (almost 3 x before) to see if it can recover, but i doubt. either way thanks for your input bro!
dtl420
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Let them dry out a bit. I see you potted up, but still no perlite? The roots have to have oxygen to survive. Without oxygen they can't take in water and they exhibit these symptoms.
It looks the same as nutrient burn because plants draw in water through the process of osmosis. The water in the plant has more dissolved solids than the water in the ground. The water molecules pass through the roots, trying to balance the water in the plant with the water in the soil. If the soil has more dissolved solids than the plant, the water tries to move out of the plant to the soil. In you're case, by the looks of it, the soil is just too soggy. There's not enough oxygen for the plant to take in adequate levels of water and nutrients, which will look like both nutrient burn and nutrient deficiency.
Chip Green
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Change your focus, from growing a plant, to growing ROOTS....
Seedlings actually need very little moisture, and nutrients, to survive....
The beginning process is SLOWWWWWW, and irritating. Convince your intellect, to wait....
Attempts to "rescue" ailing seedlings often leads to cascading failures, at this point LESS is more...
They're struggling indeed, but NOT DEAD!!! I've had FAR worse recover, and eventually thrive....
Seedlings actually need very little moisture, and nutrients, to survive....
The beginning process is SLOWWWWWW, and irritating. Convince your intellect, to wait....
Attempts to "rescue" ailing seedlings often leads to cascading failures, at this point LESS is more...
They're struggling indeed, but NOT DEAD!!! I've had FAR worse recover, and eventually thrive....
GBAUTO
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^^^ THIS
What Chip is saying was the hardest thing for me to realize. Until the plant develops a root system it won't put much energy into growing a canopy. STOP trying to run a plant ICU and let it grow-the more you futz around with a seedling the longer it takes to develop-keep doing that and it WILL be stunted. Now relax!
What Chip is saying was the hardest thing for me to realize. Until the plant develops a root system it won't put much energy into growing a canopy. STOP trying to run a plant ICU and let it grow-the more you futz around with a seedling the longer it takes to develop-keep doing that and it WILL be stunted. Now relax!
I live in a pretty small town - the soil that has GL Soil mix with perlites is over an hour away, I plan to go there this week to prepear the other 5 to be moved, not disregarding what you said and value it alot. Just that i did not have an option to do this on a sunday and I felt the plan needed to move to something bigger.
I apriciate your help on this man! And respect your knowledge
907cannabis
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Looks overwatered to me.
Sgt.Sly
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Put the water down and leave them be.
Thank you so much for you input, and apriciate the kind offer of assistance. It gives alot of comfort and relief in a stressy situation because i invested so much equipment already on its way.
Will do, thanks for taking the time KB!
dtl420
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I understand the small town plight. I'm out in the sticks. Wouldn't trade it for the world. But the closest hydro/garden store to me that caters to indoor growers is about 2 hours away. Luckily there is a Walmart about 20 mins away. Also a buchheit's about the same distance (not sure if that store exists outside of my state) and they have a decent selection of soil, but it's all overpriced.
Walmart here sells bags of miracle grow perlite, the only MG product that goes into my indoor garden. If a walmart near you carries it, it's usually on clearance right now, along with some random jobe's organic amendments. Cheap but effective and convenient.
Course sand can be used as an alternative to perlite, but it's not quite as effective. Perlite is very porous, sand is also porous but on a more microscopic level. I like to use both course sand and perlite. Sand is considered a slow release amendment as well. As it slowly erodes it releases nutrients into the soil. But don't make the mistake I've made in the past by using the really fine play sand. The fine sand slows drainage and causes very small, anaerobic pore spaces. If you have a hardware store nearby they will have course sand with the concrete and landscaping supplies. I've never used it as a full replacement of perlite, so if you go this route look up the ratios it should be mixed at. Your best bet is to get some perlite though.
I have a white lavender plant in coco right now. When I was ready to transplant it I realized that my cat had pissed in the tote of coco that I had mixed for it... So I flushed the hell out of it and left it to dry for a couple of days. When I went back out to check if it was dry enough to make the transplant I realized that my dumb ass hadn't covered it back up, and he was pissing and shitting in it again... I was upset with myself, to say the least.. I had already put off the transplant for over a week and the plant was very unhappy in it's little peat pellet.. I had to dump that 20gal of coco in my raised beds out back and order a new brick. The roots that were popping out of the sides of the pellet would only grow about a quarter inch and dry out, so I had an idea to wrap the pellet with wet paper towels. The roots were able to keep from drying out for the next week as I waited for my coco to arrive. The lesson here is to get creative! We can only grow as well as our limitations. That plant was still stunted by the abuse, it had grown up 4 nodes and about 6in tall before it finally got something to stretch it's roots out in. But now she's a happy little bush that I will clone and begin flowering in the coming weeks.
Walmart here sells bags of miracle grow perlite, the only MG product that goes into my indoor garden. If a walmart near you carries it, it's usually on clearance right now, along with some random jobe's organic amendments. Cheap but effective and convenient.
Course sand can be used as an alternative to perlite, but it's not quite as effective. Perlite is very porous, sand is also porous but on a more microscopic level. I like to use both course sand and perlite. Sand is considered a slow release amendment as well. As it slowly erodes it releases nutrients into the soil. But don't make the mistake I've made in the past by using the really fine play sand. The fine sand slows drainage and causes very small, anaerobic pore spaces. If you have a hardware store nearby they will have course sand with the concrete and landscaping supplies. I've never used it as a full replacement of perlite, so if you go this route look up the ratios it should be mixed at. Your best bet is to get some perlite though.
I have a white lavender plant in coco right now. When I was ready to transplant it I realized that my cat had pissed in the tote of coco that I had mixed for it... So I flushed the hell out of it and left it to dry for a couple of days. When I went back out to check if it was dry enough to make the transplant I realized that my dumb ass hadn't covered it back up, and he was pissing and shitting in it again... I was upset with myself, to say the least.. I had already put off the transplant for over a week and the plant was very unhappy in it's little peat pellet.. I had to dump that 20gal of coco in my raised beds out back and order a new brick. The roots that were popping out of the sides of the pellet would only grow about a quarter inch and dry out, so I had an idea to wrap the pellet with wet paper towels. The roots were able to keep from drying out for the next week as I waited for my coco to arrive. The lesson here is to get creative! We can only grow as well as our limitations. That plant was still stunted by the abuse, it had grown up 4 nodes and about 6in tall before it finally got something to stretch it's roots out in. But now she's a happy little bush that I will clone and begin flowering in the coming weeks.
Guys sorry to be crying here again. The plants look worse and I havent watered them in 48 hours now... Im really upset this is going bad, and I am very very worried about the 4 small ones that look "perfect" right now, what they will become if they grow. ANY other advice other than adding perlite would be much apriciated, Im thinking maybe the humidifier is causing this? Someone help me troubleshoot this, its going to hell 
Is this your first grow?
I'm sorry, but it just feels like we're not giving you the answer you want to hear.
I feel you're putting way too much thought into this. Maybe it's time to read one of many books on the subject and stop looking for confirmation bias on forums.
We told you what we thought you should do, with your limited supplies and resources, and the only thing I remember you doing is raising the light. Did you take the 300w out and put in something smaller? How close is the humidifier, are you hosing 'em? Can get a pic of your set up? I'm not a betting man, but I'd bet half my next check that your dirt is the main culprit. That and you fucking with them too much. But I'd like to see what you're working with.
Chip Green
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Sorry if my post came off as whiny and not very well focused. I was in a terrible mood yesterday because the worse outlook on the plant.
So my supplies and resources are not limited, on the contrary I think Im getting my feet wet a bit to quick.
So to explain my setup I am practising in a closet right now while I wait for my location to be ready, right now I own 6 hps (600 w) lights and 4 CLFS (300 w) together with a tent and full "kit" equipment, however while I am waiting for the location I am practicing with 6 plants, where 1 did not pop out of the soil. 4 of these were planted 5 days later than the first two. The first two are the affected ones.
I threw away one of them today, the second one is not looking to well either as it has one of it's first true leafs fallen of, dont ask me how or when that happened I just noticed that.
I put average 5 hours per day on watching videos and trying to learn, and I guess I am not doing enough.. but yes this is my first grow and prior to that I have no experience whatsoever in growing, but not only that.. hand labour has never been my thing, I barely know how to make a cup of tea.. you could say I am a bit spoiled (I've worked successfully in tech field)
Now to the questions you asked, I've moved two of the small plants to a new soil (Gold Label Special Mix) and it feels indeed much more "airy" and fresh.. I moved two of them under the 300 w lamp with 30 cm distance to them, I kept the other two under the 100 clf. Why? Well I thought it's a good test to see if the if these two will go bad as well or if they will survive. The logic IM thinking, wich I have a feeling might be wrong is that I figure 4 plants will not do well under a 100 W CLF solely now that theyre growing a bit but I might be wrong
Together with these 2 lamps, that i unpacked from my big kit I have also setup a simple table fan (wich right now I'm keeping off) as some people said it could stress the seedlings.. I try fan the closet maybe 20 minutes far away to get some fresh air in there as I feel the air could be "stalky" and dead after a while in there, but additionally i have a small humidifier that runs 24 / 7 and makes the humidity range from 45-70 (depending if the big clf is on or not) I run the 300 CLF 20 hours on 4 hours off and the 100 clf i keep on all the time for the 2 small plants that are left. Oh and the humidifer i place about 40-50 cm away from the "plant table" ive made out of 2 boxes.
I will take your advice start reading some book, already planned to do so.. but I think i am putting alot of hours in and reading up, but as you can imagine the panic ordering all this equipment and I can't even get a simple plant to get into vegetative phase. Im hoping its related to the closet setup i have (wich is size of a small room) 1.5 m x 4 maybe so it's not supersmall.
I will try take somemore pictures tonight of the room to give you an idea what im working with right now.
Anyways thanks for your input and I guess ill be reading up a bit.