Former Nixon Aide Claims ‘War on Drugs’ Invented to Suppress Black People

bearkat42 said:
With all due respect, your personal experiences are irrelevant. The fact is that for most of this country's history we weren't even considered human, and now you want to talk to me about a "willingness to meet in the middle"? You'd better watch out my man. Your privilege is showing.
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Then help a growther out; what does rapprochement look like, from your perspective?
 
ttystikk said:
Then help a growther out; what does rapprochement look like, from your perspective?
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Good question. I know this wasn't directed at me, but here's my two cents

Let's be honest about the reality of this situation. From my perspective of a white man who grew up in a relatively liberal part of California, I've seen many different kinds of racism personally; from my dad towards people of color (verbal racism, under his breath), from people of color towards me and from everything in between. I think it's safe to say that a good percentage of Americans are racist to some degree, from experiences I've had, I might put the number around 20%-30% harbor genuinely racist beliefs.

That's something that can only be changed by education, but people with those beliefs don't think they're bad, so there's no need for them to change them. So I think most of those people will have to die off before any significant change will happen

The issue is you can't force people to not be racist, you can only educate them, and if they don't want to be educated, then there's not much more you can do

I can't really blame black people or minorities for the way some members of their communities react to the circumstances of their life because of the systemic racism they face, could any of us say they wouldn't react in a similar way? I've found life as a white man extremely difficult at times, I would imagine that feeling would be greatly increased if I had to deal with half the bullshit minorities in America are faced with
 
bearkat42 said:
With all due respect, your personal experiences are irrelevant. The fact is that for most of this country's history we weren't even considered human, and now you want to talk to me about a "willingness to meet in the middle"? You'd better watch out my man. Your privilege is showing.
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They were tucked away neatly in the Santa Maria. I remember reading that the day I went to school.
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Good question. I know this wasn't directed at me, but here's my two cents

Let's be honest about the reality of this situation. From my perspective of a white man who grew up in a relatively liberal part of California, I've seen many different kinds of racism personally; from my dad towards people of color (verbal racism, under his breath), from people of color towards me and from everything in between. I think it's safe to say that a good percentage of Americans are racist to some degree, from experiences I've had, I might put the number around 20%-30% harbor genuinely racist beliefs.

That's something that can only be changed by education, but people with those beliefs don't think they're bad, so there's no need for them to change them. So I think most of those people will have to die off before any significant change will happen

The issue is you can't force people to not be racist, you can only educate them, and if they don't want to be educated, then there's not much more you can do

I can't really blame black people or minorities for the way some members of their communities react to the circumstances of their life because of the systemic racism they face, could any of us say they wouldn't react in a similar way? I've found life as a white man extremely difficult at times, I would imagine that feeling would be greatly increased if I had to deal with half the bullshit minorities in America are faced with
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bearkat42 said:
Blacks have "failed" (your words) quite simply because the system is set up that way. We were never given a real opportunity to succeed. We have been legally discriminated against for all but 52 years (and 52 years is a very generous assessment considering the topic of this very thread.) of this country's history. Stupid question.
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I agree with you that legally imposed segregation was a bad idea.

Wouldn't that cause a person to question the system which enabled a bad idea like that to go on for so long?

Is the way to correct a bad idea, to shift it to ANOTHER bad idea, again administered by the entity which spawned the first bad
idea ?
 
Rob Roy said:
I agree with you that legally imposed segregation was a bad idea.

Wouldn't that cause a person to question the system which enabled a bad idea like that to go on for so long?

Is the way to correct a bad idea, to shift it to ANOTHER bad idea, again administered by the entity which spawned the first bad
idea ?
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I'm sure that there's a point in here somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can find it.
 
bearkat42 said:
I'm sure that there's a point in here somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can find it.
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Okay, the common denominator is the institution / system itself. That is the problem.
You can't expect a thing which derives power over others unjustly to also be the deliverer of justice on a regular basis.

For instance, the best way to "free the weed" is to simply decriminalize it, period.


The best way for people to interrelate isn't to be told how they must interrelate or how they CAN'T interrelate.

The best way is for individual people to make up their own minds what their human relations will be on a mutual basis with those they interrelate with, rather than have an overseer of their relationships.
 
Rob Roy said:
Okay, the common denominator is the institution / system itself. That is the problem.
You can't expect a thing which derives power over others unjustly to also be the deliverer of justice on a regular basis.

For instance, the best way to "free the weed" is to simply decriminalize it, period.


The best way for people to interrelate isn't to be told how they must interrelate or how they CAN'T interrelate.

The best way is for individual people to make up their own minds what their human relations will be on a mutual basis with those they interrelate with, rather than have an overseer of their relationships.
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I don't necessarily disagree with the premise of what you're saying, but what does this have to do with anything that I've said?
 
bearkat42 said:
I don't necessarily disagree with the premise of what you're saying, but what does this have to do with anything that I've said?
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I'm glad we agree.

I think your comment about legal discrimination for all but the last 52 years was a factor in why I said what I did.

Often one persons statement leads me to consider the underlying circumstances, causes or consequences of a given situation.

Plus I'm a dope smoking Philosopher and come here for entertainment.
 
Rob Roy said:
I'm glad we agree.

I think your comment about legal discrimination for all but the last 52 years was a factor in why I said what I did.

Often one persons statement leads me to consider the underlying circumstances, causes or consequences of a given situation.

Plus I'm a dope smoking Philosopher and come here for entertainment.
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you've also spent an inordinate amount of time telling us why you think it should be legal for you to deny service to bearkat because of his skin color, and how it would make things so much more peaceful and free, and about how you are a prisoner slave who is being ass raped if you can't deny service to him based on his skin color.
 
UncleBuck said:
you've also spent an inordinate amount of time telling us why you think it should be legal for you to deny service to bearkat because of his skin color, and how it would make things so much more peaceful and free, and about how you are a prisoner slave who is being ass raped if you can't deny service to him based on his skin color.
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You left out his desire to make adults fucking kids legal
 
ChesusRice said:
You left out his desire to make adults fucking kids legal
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yes, i failed to mention the fat that rob roy is a staunch defender of the "not all kids become sexually mature at the same time" theory, and often likes to cite how low the low end of sexual maturity can be.

as if he thinks the fact that some 10 or 11 year olds may be starting to mature sexually means it should be OK for an 87 year old dirt poor subsistence farmer to have sex with them.

rob roy the pedo fails to realize that physical maturity and mental maturity are two different things, and that he is still a pedo for wanting to have sex with 10 and 11 year olds.
 
UncleBuck said:
yes, i failed to mention the fat that rob roy is a staunch defender of the "not all kids become sexually mature at the same time" theory, and often likes to cite how low the low end of sexual maturity can be.

as if he thinks the fact that some 10 or 11 year olds may be starting to mature sexually means it should be OK for an 87 year old dirt poor subsistence farmer to have sex with them.

rob roy the pedo fails to realize that physical maturity and mental maturity are two different things, and that he is still a pedo for wanting to have sex with 10 and 11 year olds.
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Damn! That's not a libertarian thing is it? I almost liked libertarian's but some of them people are crazy as fuck especially when you meet a full on libertarian in person. Lol, I don't know they must watch Alex Jones everyday. Lol
 
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