George Will speaks out on the economy.

ViRedd

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Prosperity amid the gloom[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]By George Will [/FONT]




[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Recently Bill Clinton, at the British Labor Party's annual conference, delivered what the Times of London described as a "relaxed, almost rambling" and "easy anecdotal" speech to an enthralled audience of leftists eager for evidence of American disappointments. Never a connoisseur of understatement, Clinton said America is "now outsourcing college-education jobs to India."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]But Clinton-as-Cassandra should not persuade college students to abandon their quest for diplomas: The unemployment rate among college graduates is 2 percent .[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Clinton is always a leading indicator of "progressive" fashions in rhetoric. And every election year — meaning every other year — brings an epidemic of dubious economic analysis, as members of the party out of power discern lead linings on silver clouds.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]"Worst economy since Herbert Hoover," John Kerry said in 2004, while that year's growth (3.9 percent) was adding to America's gross domestic product the equivalent of the GDP of Taiwan (the 19th-largest economy). Nancy Pelosi vows that if Democrats capture Congress they will "jump-start our economy." A "jump-start " is administered to a stalled vehicle. But since the Bush tax cuts went into effect in 2003, the economy's growth rate (3.5 percent) has been better than the average for the 1980s (3.1) and 1990s (3.3). Today's unemployment rate (4.6 percent) is lower than the average for the 1990s (5.8) — lower, in fact, than the average for the past 40 years (6.0). Some stall.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Economic hypochondria, a derangement associated with affluence, is a byproduct of the welfare state: An entitlement mentality gives Americans a low pain threshold — witness their recurring hysteria about nominal rather than real gasoline prices — and a sense of being entitled to economic dynamism without the frictions and "creative destruction" that must accompany dynamism. Economic hypochondria is also bred by news media that consider the phrase "good news" an oxymoron, even as the U.S. economy, which has performed better than any other major industrial economy since 2001, drives the Dow to record highs.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]The Jack No. 2 well, in deep water 170 miles southwest of New Orleans, recently discovered a field with perhaps 15 billion barrels of oil — a 50 percent increase in proven U.S. reserves. This news triggered a gusher of journalistic gloom: More oil means more woe — a reprieve for that enemy of humanity, the internal combustion engine, and more global warming, more air pollution, more highway fatalities, more suburban sprawl. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]E SCRIPTION TO INFLUENTIAL NEWSLETTER[/FONT]
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The recent 20 percent decline of the cost of a barrel of oil, from a nominal record of $78.40 (which, adjusting for inflation, was well below the 1980 peak of $92 in 2006 dollars), has produced an 81-cent decline in the average cost of a gallon of regular gasoline in 70 days. For consumers, that is akin to a tax cut of more than $81 billion.

President Bush's tax cuts were supposed to cause a cataract of red ink. In fiscal 2006, however, federal revenue as a share of GDP was 18.4 percent, slightly above the post-1962 average of 18.2. And the federal budget deficit was $247.7 billion, just 1.9 percent of the $13.1 trillion GDP. That is below the average for the 1970s (2.1), 1980s (3.0) and 1990s (2.2).

It is said that employee compensation has been stagnant. But to tickle that bad news from the statistics you must treat "compensation" as a synonym for wages and then ignore the effect of taxation on individuals' well-being.

Kevin Hassett and Aparna Mathur of the American Enterprise Institute, writing in National Review, say annual wage growth since 2000 has been 0.6 percent, but the annual increase in real hourly compensation, including benefits — and if you do not include them, why are they called benefits ? — has been 1.3 percent. And taxes — particularly those paid by middle-class families with children — have declined substantially.

Furthermore, as Hassett and Mathur write, consumers, by modifying their behavior, protect or enhance their well-being in ways not captured in economic statistics. For example, an American who, prompted by higher energy prices, traded in a Hummer for a Prius has served his or her standard of living. "If I ate 80 apples last year, and the price of apples increased this year to a million dollars, my welfare would not go way down; I would just switch to oranges," the authors write.
Finally, today's widening income disparities will be partly self-correcting. Granted, income statistics show the increasing disadvantages of persons with education deficits. But that is the market saying — shouting, really — "Stay in school!" Over time the voice of the market is rational, credible and therefore a potent instrument for changing behavior. [/FONT]
 

medicinaluseonly

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who the fuck is George Will. Do you think he might be a right wing neo-con and a Bill Clinton hater? See this proves my point. Anyone can go to a partisan site and pull up any bullshit they want with any economical figures that suit their position. If you went to a Democratic site, you'd find exact opposite findings on this OPINION! You're posting opinions as facts, you're the bullshit artist on this site trying to "influence young minds". Hopefully they are smarter than you give them credit for and will recognise this as right wing rhetoric and not facts. I refuse to pick bullshit out of websites to back up my opinions, My opinions are just that opinions. There are as many facts in my opinions as in your bullshit rhetoric, but you think you are so superior to me that you can walk on water, try it you might like it. When you posted Ann Fucking Coulter I knew I had you, That was an admission of defeat, you had to resort to the crazies. Now I know your character!
 

ViRedd

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As I said before Med ... I am through with you and your illogical rants.

Who is George Will, indeed! *lol* His entire article is based upon facts and NOT opinion. You've completely discounted the man because you are deluded by your "opinions" which are based soley upon your "feelings." Whoops, I forgot ... I'm done with you ... sorry.

Vi
 

medicinaluseonly

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Defeated by reason> all your borrowing of other peoples ideas have left you defenseless. I guess when your a defeatest you just say go away!
 

medicinaluseonly

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There are probably other people on this forum that don't see this "great prosperity" besides me. If I am the only one, then I wonder if this forum is all rich assholes and maybe I should go away as someone has suggested, wait Hell no I won't go, I'll try and talk sense to the rich assholes. If they can't understand my posts because they've hardened their hearts, well at least I've tried. Maybe there is something to what I say, and maybe people should be more generous and forgiving, Even though some people on this forum seem to be Rock headed and stingy, you never know, maybe something I say will penetrate and open them up. I can only hope! Peace!
 

silvernomad

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Ahh don't let stuff like that make you leave............soon the ass will drop out the US market, so light up a fat one, and keep on growing.....and standing tall in what you believe.


peace
 

ViRedd

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Hey, I don't think you should leave either, Med ... honest.

I was wondering though ... you continue to refer to folks who oppose your leftist views as "Rich Assholes." Why do you do that? Do you honestly believe that Democrats are poor and Republican are Rich? Or is it Liberals are poor and Conservatives are rich?

Vi
 

Dankdude

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If you look at the figures before the economy went into the toilet the last time, they markets are doing the same thing again. I give it a year and the economy will collapse again.

Remember I lost $80,000 in one day the last time that happened.
 

ViRedd

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Well, business has cycles. We are overdue for a downturn.

I have a stock answer for the Nay-Sayers who talk about the coming real estate crash:

Him: "Wow, the bubble is about to burst!"

Me: "Gosh, do you really think so? In that case, I'll come over tonight and list your house for sale and start looking for a rental for you. No sense in losing all that valuable equity you've built up. Is Seven OK with you?"

I've never had a taker to that one. *lol*

Vi
 

medicinaluseonly

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yeah I was a believer in the stock market untill I lost 65,000 and figured out that the smart assholes play with the dumb assholes like me and walk away with the cash every time. My son who has a degree in economics tried to tell me to run but no, I was going to get rich, Yeah in that regard I'm a dumb fuck. Then 8 years later a buddy of mine came up with a "foolproof" day trading formula, I proceeded to lose another 10,000 of my hard earned bucks, before I gave it up (I was a saver) he continued on telling me he was makin bucks. About 2 years after I got out, he up and blew his brains out, I guess the rich assholes got to him after all, the bad thing about it, he killed his 10 year old daughter and 80 year old mother whom both lived with him, and left no note! I keep the news clipping on my office cabinet door to remind me when I think about investing, I still have a stock acct w/ a few grand in it, but it's drawing 5+% in a money market acct. all I have to do is push a button and I'll be in. I'm waiting for a deal in China to come through my wifes boss's friend who invented this product the Chinese are using in all their vehicles, If that comes through (initial public offering) I could get well yet> I am basically an optomist with pessimistic tendicies
 

Dankdude

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I have found that certain stocks go through cycles. Liquor stocks for one do this. Come February Budweiser stock reaches it’s lowest point and peaks out in August, conversely Seagram’s stock peaks out in February and reaches it’s lowest point in August. These stocks cycle like this regardless of how the economy is going, The psychology behind this is that people are going to drink regardless of how the economy is going. If the economy is going good, people will drink to celebrate, if the economy is going bad people will drink to drown their sorrows.
I have been following these stocks since the last stock market crash and yearly it always does the same thing. So if these stocks are bought and sold at the right times, you can make money.
 

medicinaluseonly

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You may be right. How will we get in on the pot stocks if they corporatize them? If this Nevada Idea Jells, there will be all kinds of states lookin for the taxes and it wont be long before the demand for corporate pot (I think the tobacco co.s have that sowed up) will skyrocket. Buy Lorilard, Ligget and Myers, American tobacco Etc and speculate. I think the Govt. has opened their eyes to the potential of corporate pot!
 

Dankdude

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The Tobacco companies do have that sowed up. I stated before that tobacco companies have been buying up land in South America for the past 10 years. They see the handwriting on the wall.
 

silvernomad

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Ahh but you only pay tax on what you buy......grow your own and never pay taxes on your pot.

If I smoked tobacco, I would look into growing my own so I wouldn't have to pay the tax on it, or take a run to Quebec and buy the low priced tax free stuff outside Montreal from the Mohawks.
 

medicinaluseonly

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We're thinkin on how to cash in on the corporate stocks that take off like a rocket if they legalize corporate pot. Nevada is a test state and if it works and the corporations and govt. tax boards start raking it in, How can we get in on the ground floor. You know the Yuppies won't bother to grow their own, they'll just buy Acapulco gold For 250.00 an ounce, There ought to be at least a 100.00 bill profit in that, if we can buy stock, maybe we can get some of our money back from the pigs, and grow our own anyway! Peace!
 

silvernomad

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It should lower the price per ounce if it went corprate [i hope], just like the price of booze when it stop being a crime to buy.

But yeah it would be good to be able to get in on the stocks now before they take off......then the profit would be greater.

This would be a great business ideal for that show on CBC (they also show it on BBC) called the "Dragons Den", where people pitch their ideals before 5 fat cats (five Canadian business moguls), and see if they can get backing in an idea......up to $500,000 for a percent of the company.

$500,000.00 could start a good grow op.........we could become the high fat cats...lol
 

medicinaluseonly

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Count me in, I've a few grand lying around for a killer investment, I've been waiting for 3 years on an inside China stock deal, Hasn't come to fruition yet. so maybe the corporate pot stock might be the ticket, lets see how it takes off in Nevada first, who knows, maybe the old ladies will kill the damn thing again this year, we need to get more old ladies smokin pot. My mom smoked a bit in the '70's, but finally gave it up before she passed, my dad also smoked a bit but hasn't in 20 years, he's 86 and goin strong, I might give him a bud off the widow and see if he likes it, although I don't want to do him in, if he takes only about a half a toke, it probably won't bother him that much. I'll leave it totally up to him!
 

Dankdude

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I was just showing an example of how to make money in the stock market that is relitivally safe.
 
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