Girls Dont Look Very Happy ... Over nutes?

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LastOneLeft

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hello everyone,
Well this morning when I woke up to my girls, they werent looking very happy at all. After a closer look they seem to have some kind of burn marks on the leaves or something. Is it over nutrients (1/2 strength) or foilage burn (spray water and CFL was too close)? I'm not sure what it is but very concern. I thought they were under nutrients because of the light green colour. If someone please help out a fellow member it would be greatly appreciated. Any words or advice at this time will be very imformative.


Upon checking on the girl, this is what I saw


A few shots after a closer inspection *sigh*










My water method is nutes, water, nutes, water etc. Two days ago I feed her with nutes, yesterday was water. Today I was worried so I just feed her water. I hope I didnt mess anything up somehow or another. Here's my girls after feed and foilage spray. They look a little droopy.

 
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LastOneLeft

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Sure Shot said:
I would suggest more ventilation and less nutes.
What are you foliar spraying with?
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More ventilation Sure Shot?

I have a small 6" for my 200 cfl light and 10" for the breeze on my girls.

And as for foilar spray...good old water only nothing else.:hump:

My gf was saying that I was placing the light too close. I thought there was no such thing as too much light but I guess there is? I'm not sure still researching.
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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You don't need to spray them.The water droplets can magnify the light and cause burns. Most of the time, cfl's shouldn't be a problem if they're close;yours is big, so I'd say try about 4 inches,hold your hand underneath for 30 seconds and that will tell you how hot it gets.How often are you watering?What's your ph?How often do you nute?
 
Sure Shot

Sure Shot

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LastOneLeft said:
More ventilation Sure Shot?

I have a small 6" for my 200 cfl light and 10" for the breeze on my girls.

And as for foilar spray...good old water only nothing else.:hump:

My gf was saying that I was placing the light too close. I thought there was no such thing as too much light but I guess there is? I'm not sure still researching.
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Well, that's circulation not ventilation.
What are you using to exhaust old air out of your room?
 
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LastOneLeft

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Stoney McFried said:
You don't need to spray them.The water droplets can magnify the light and cause burns. Most of the time, cfl's shouldn't be a problem if they're close;yours is big, so I'd say try about 4 inches,hold your hand underneath for 30 seconds and that will tell you how hot it gets.How often are you watering?What's your ph?How often do you nute?
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No need to spray them? magnified droplets causes burns? damnit! Common sense should of kicked in DUH!

Yea I usually place them at 4 inches high (25 degress canopy) But today I place the lamp 8 inches away. Less heat and stress for them?

I water once everyday in the morning, nute(1/2 strength) one day and just water the next day with a ph level of 6.5.

I think is might be the water droplets burning them because of the close lights and the unecessary foilar sprayage. If it was the nutes, would all or more of them be damaged?
 
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Sure Shot said:
Well, that's circulation not ventilation.
What are you using to exhaust old air out of your room?
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Nothing as of now because they're still young.

Its in a closet with the door open 24/7. So I hope thats enough ventilation. I sometime stand there swinging the door, to vent or bring in some air. LMAO
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Ok.Too much watering.Only water when the soil is dry.Works out to about every three or so days for me.Only nute like every third water.You're overdoing nutes, too.As long as your light isn't actually burning your hand from four inches away, keep it there, cfl's aren't very effective far away.
Now, here's what you do. Let them dry out a bit,maybe a couple of days.Then, flush each plant with some plain water. To do this,you use 3 times as much water as the size of the container.So if you have a one gallon pot, you'd use three gallons water. It's easiest to do this in a tub or shower because it can get messy.Let them drain so you don't dribble water all over and place them back under the lights.Then let the soil get dry to about an inch in before you water again. Only use plain water until they recover.Post some pics with an update in a few days.:peace:
LastOneLeft said:
No need to spray them? magnified droplets causes burns? damnit! Common sense should of kicked in DUH!

Yea I usually place them at 4 inches high (25 degress canopy) But today I place the lamp 8 inches away. Less heat and stress for them?

I water once everyday in the morning, nute(1/2 strength) one day and just water the next day with a ph level of 6.5.

I think is might be the water droplets burning them because of the close lights and the unecessary foilar sprayage. If it was the nutes, would all or more of them be damaged?
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LastOneLeft

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Stoney McFried said:
Ok.Too much watering.Only water when the soil is dry.Works out to about every three or so days for me.Only nute like every third water.You're overdoing nutes, too.As long as your light isn't actually burning your hand from four inches away, keep it there, cfl's aren't very effective far away.
Now, here's what you do. Let them dry out a bit,maybe a couple of days.Then, flush each plant with some plain water. To do this,you use 3 times as much water as the size of the container.So if you have a one gallon pot, you'd use three gallons water. It's easiest to do this in a tub or shower because it can get messy.Let them drain so you don't dribble water all over and place them back under the lights.Then let the soil get dry to about an inch in before you water again. Only use plain water until they recover.Post some pics with an update in a few days.:peace:
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OK before we go any further maybe I screwed up in the very begining?
I mixed my potting soil with perlite (50/50) and a handfull of vercillium. I dont know weather this has anything to do with my problem but I would like to state that first.
Is it too much watering because when I check every morning its dry. I cultivate it and it feels complete dry. Thats why I mention about the perlite, maybe too much? And when I mean dry I mean dry dry, they're thirsty right? I dont want to deprived them of water, but I know drying out is part of root development.
Your watering method is different eh? Water, water, nute, water, water, etc. Never tried it like that. I would be interested in tryin it ASAP but would it affect my girls rite now? If not I'm down with this method.
One last problem? My girls are in 4 inch jiffy cups right now. How can I flush them LMAO
The cup holds the water and gets all soggy and wont flush it completely?

"Plain water until they recovery" I'll rememver that Thanks Stoney McFried
 
Sure Shot

Sure Shot

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I would think about installing some fan in your ceiling to constantly pull air out.
Other then that, Stoney is right with the flush.
 
Blueberry2008

Blueberry2008

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LastOneLeft said:
No need to spray them? magnified droplets causes burns? damnit! Common sense should of kicked in DUH!

Yea I usually place them at 4 inches high (25 degress canopy) But today I place the lamp 8 inches away. Less heat and stress for them?

I water once everyday in the morning, nute(1/2 strength) one day and just water the next day with a ph level of 6.5.

I think is might be the water droplets burning them because of the close lights and the unecessary foilar sprayage. If it was the nutes, would all or more of them be damaged?
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Well for the foil spray what I use to do was givem em a spray down just befor the lights turned off.. As well what I used was carbonated water.. Alot of people say foil spray is not needed but it seemd to work quite well for me..

Oh another thing I just rememberd I have a grow journal in here from last years indoor and I had come accross I think is the same issue as you as I think I documented it.. But what I ended up doing was flushing out my soil and then about a week or a week and a half it cleared up with new growth..
 
tilemaster

tilemaster

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if ur cheap u could take a walmart square lasko fan and scribe mark it on ur closet cieling..cut the drywall out..fit it tight, use something effective to mount it up there. fan facing up...set it on a timer to turn on evey 15 min for a min or so..and itll shoot out all ur stagnant air...u really gott a remove it somehow..or ur not gonna c positive results down the line. follow the above flusing regiment and watering that wuz recommended by stoney. go easy on the nutes ...real easy. hell on my first grow i was eye ball dumping grow./micro./bloom, str8 in2 my rez with avengence and disregard..these days i use a measuring cup and use less then recommended
 
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Blueberry2008 said:
Well for the foil spray what I use to do was givem em a spray down just befor the lights turned off.. As well what I used was carbonated water.. Alot of people say foil spray is not needed but it seemd to work quite well for me..

Oh another thing I just rememberd I have a grow journal in here from last years indoor and I had come accross I think is the same issue as you as I think I documented it.. But what I ended up doing was flushing out my soil and then about a week or a week and a half it cleared up with new growth..
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Oh yeah. Do you still foilage spray them before lights turn off? Because that carbonated water idea sounds more appealing. CO2 is what they need right.
I think flushing would be the best next thing to do too. By the looks of my water method, theres way too much nutes for them girls.
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Nah, lots of folks do that(mix stuff in).The reason you stick your finger in the soil is because the top layer dries the fastest,you want it to be dry to about a half inch to an inch in. Go ahead and transfer them outta the jiffy cups after you let it dry out first.If you're very careful, there should be no transplant shock. I think you can stick them right in the soil,but I always remove stuff like that because I'm afraid it won't dissolve like it should.So do the flush after you transplant them to something sturdier,like a 16oz cup, even.
LastOneLeft said:
OK before we go any further maybe I screwed up in the very begining?
I mixed my potting soil with perlite (50/50) and a handfull of vercillium. I dont know weather this has anything to do with my problem but I would like to state that first.
Is it too much watering because when I check every morning its dry. I cultivate it and it feels complete dry. Thats why I mention about the perlite, maybe too much? And when I mean dry I mean dry dry, they're thirsty right? I dont want to deprived them of water, but I know drying out is part of root development.
Your watering method is different eh? Water, water, nute, water, water, etc. Never tried it like that. I would be interested in tryin it ASAP but would it affect my girls rite now? If not I'm down with this method.
One last problem? My girls are in 4 inch jiffy cups right now. How can I flush them LMAO
The cup holds the water and gets all soggy and wont flush it completely?

"Plain water until they recovery" I'll rememver that Thanks Stoney McFried
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LastOneLeft

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tilemaster said:
if ur cheap u could take a walmart square lasko fan and scribe mark it on ur closet cieling..cut the drywall out..fit it tight, use something effective to mount it up there. fan facing up...set it on a timer to turn on evey 15 min for a min or so..and itll shoot out all ur stagnant air...u really gott a remove it somehow..or ur not gonna c positive results down the line. follow the above flusing regiment and watering that wuz recommended by stoney. go easy on the nutes ...real easy. hell on my first grow i was eye ball dumping grow./micro./bloom, str8 in2 my rez with avengence and disregard..these days i use a measuring cup and use less then recommended
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I really dont want to cut any holes or do any damage to closet. So thats option is out of the question. Thanks for your input, very cleaver. I'll use that idea if its comes too desperate needs.

Easy on the nute is right! My newb ass went with nute water nutes water causing too much nutrients and burning their leaves :cry:

And yes measuring is the way to go when mixing nutrients.
 
Sure Shot

Sure Shot

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LastOneLeft said:
I really dont want to cut any holes or do any damage to closet. So thats option is out of the question. Thanks for your input, very cleaver. I'll use that idea if its comes too desperate needs.
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Sorry, but exhaust is absolutely necessary!!
Just by an exhaust fan for a bathroom(fart-fan) like suggested earlier.
They even come with covers so it won't look so unappealing.
If you make a good cut you can save the circle you cut out and with a little
wall patch you can put it back up there when your done growing out the
closet.
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Not to argue, you're right exhaust is needed ideally...but I'm in the same situation,I can't cut holes in my walls.I have a swamp cooler and another fan in my closet, though,and I open the door for a few hours every day.I only have one plant and I'm running a 150 watt hps with an extra tube flouro.I'd love to have exhaust, it just isn't possible right now.My plant is doing well.I'm only speaking from my own experience on the exhaust issue, though.Not trying to step on your toes.:peace:
Sure Shot said:
Sorry, but exhaust is absolutely necessary!!
Just by an exhaust fan for a bathroom(fart-fan) like suggested earlier.
They even come with covers so it won't look so unappealing.
If you make a good cut you can save the circle you cut out and with a little
wall patch you can put it back up there when your done growing out the
closet.
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tilemaster

tilemaster

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just slice the holes with a sheetrock saw ie.$$ 5buck tool. trace it out. do it..compare grows w/ or w.out exhaust. u must remove stale air. take our advice. i dont care if u rent..dude u have xx amount of time to grow the bud.. the hole can be there for xx amount of time as well..spackle..joint compound..and the piece left over from the intial cut..maybe 2 screws and a shim for behind it..DO IT
LastOneLeft said:
I really dont want to cut any holes or do any damage to closet. So thats option is out of the question. Thanks for your input, very cleaver. I'll use that idea if its comes too desperate needs.

Easy on the nute is right! My newb ass went with nute water nutes water causing too much nutrients and burning their leaves :cry:

And yes measuring is the way to go when mixing nutrients.
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Take this guys advice
Sure Shot said:
Sorry, but exhaust is absolutely necessary!!
Just by an exhaust fan for a bathroom(fart-fan) like suggested earlier.
They even come with covers so it won't look so unappealing.
If you make a good cut you can save the circle you cut out and with a little
wall patch you can put it back up there when your done growing out the
closet.
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stoney the repair time for a piece of sheetrock is minimal..even if its textured and painted..wuts with the 'cant' stuff
Stoney McFried said:
Not to argue, you're right exhaust is needed ideally...but I'm in the same situation,I can't cut holes in my walls.I have a swamp cooler and another fan in my closet, though,and I open the door for a few hours every day.I only have one plant and I'm running a 150 watt hps with an extra tube flouro.I'd love to have exhaust, it just isn't possible right now.My plant is doing well.I'm only speaking from my own experience on the exhaust issue, though.Not trying to step on your toes.:peace:
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