Goin into 5th week of scrog, problem w/ 2 Hybrids , others doin fine! Picture updates

hmontero88

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  • Wuzup guys!!!
    , I am still in question on some of my feeding+watering methods due to some sensitive ass hybrids yellowing a lot 4 weeks into flower. They are Sativa Dominant Strains so Its prob gonna be harvested around 9-10 weeks.

    Since week 2-3, the Strawberry kush/ O.G Kush started yellowing hard and now spreading to my headband and slowly to the blue dreams, which were doing great.

    I have been feeding the GH trio plus cal+mag and 1 Drop of Super-Thrive per/gal in distilled water, during veg. the plants did fine except the hybrids...

    They always showed the 1st signs of cal+mag deficiency, then N deficiency and now this...seriously I think they are soo sativa dominant and too sensitive or just lil bitches..they cry if anything goes slightly off and somehow manage to grow the tallest even if they grow skinny as fck, I hope its buds get bigger like the bluedreams, I don't need plants that remind me of the tall skinny LA bitches from around here...All high maintenance pretty n all but doesn't produce shit?>< jk. anyways..

    Using soil, I start with a 1 gal feeding between five plants in a 3gal pot. using the GH trio, Npk of 1-1-1 then to 1-1-2 about ( 5ml micro- 5ml grow- 10 ml bloom) for the first weeks of flower. then usually in 2-3 days after, I feed 1 gal of distilled water with cal mag + Super-thrive,

    then 2-3 day later, I feed again water with additives , this time I started adding the Floralicious plus 1ml per gal , then 10ml of organic molasses and 10ml of florablend I still used in veg (all organic low npk), and 5ml of cal+mag + superthrive 1 drop per gal.

    then 2-3 days after back to a feeding, I am planning on raising the NPK ratio this feeding of nutes to see if that helps with the yellowing?

    PPM has stayed under 800-900. PH is 6.5-6.8. I plan on using this combination of the trio 8.75 Micro /3.75 Grow /8.75 Bloom during this middle phase.

    Then for late around 2- .5 - 2. then 12.5 micro, 2.5ml grow, and 15ml bloom for finishing period, then just feeding them plain balanced ph water last two weeks of harvest.

    I just fed additives yesterday so ill probably feed them Monday with these higher doses maybe this will help? I know they are supposed to yellow during flowering but this seems like a lock-out problem perhaps? Even maybe Zn deficiency? Some of the new growth looks fine now and the Bluedream plants are all green as well doing fine with bigger buds, they show no real signs or yellowing only finally a few leave today, yet I still think its due to it being in flower stage..?

    The only constant I changed was on the Bluedreams. I used Home-depots soil during the transplant, a moisture control something brand with perlite vs the ffof soil in the other three plants.
    They all get fed about the same and roots looked healthy during transplant.

    Maybe I went to low during feeding a few week ago, I remember during the first weeks of flower I may have used 2.5ml of the micro, then 5ml of grow and 7-8 of bloom, this is why I think I may have a Nitrogen lock-out?

    I just read something about the GH trio formula talking about something I used to think about, that we aren't supposed to add "N" during flower, so I was confusing the Micro as the "Nitrogen" of the formulas until I saw this post I copied below if anyone using the GH trio care to read it could clear up some confusion.

    For now, Lights are now 2 feet from plants, Rh 40-50%, temp 75-79. They did accidentally let the temp hit over 80s a few times but not for long.

    So plz, if anyone have some new ideas to improve my feeding methods please share!
    I posted pictures of the girls right now, i circled in yellow the yellow leaves. I will see how this new Nutrient ratio works too in a few weeks hope the yellowing stops..

    Thanks again guys!
    :eyesmoke:

    Here is a copy of the post I read about the GH trio:
    "
    I am quite confused
    I thought you weren't supposed to give cannabis plants bloom during veg phase
    and I thought you weren't supposed to give them grow during flowering phase
    Can you explain or clarify please?



    Well, technically, he's not. GH Flora is a 3-part nutrient system with which one can mix up different feeds according to the ratios he uses. The Bloom by itself is not a flowering nutrient. The Grow by itself is not a vegetative nutrient.

    It's like saying that you're not supposed to have dessert before the main course. That is mostly-accepted. But it does not preclude serving a main course that has sugar (a component that is used in most desserts) in it.

    But yes, your statement is correct, sort of. Were you to switch the listed schedules so that you were feeding the listed early/middle/late/later flowering mixes while in vegetative growth, and the early/middle/late vegetative mixes while in flower, you in all likelihood would not be satisfied with your results come harvest time (if you got that far with such a schedule).

    All the decent hydro nutrient recipes that I've seen (and more than a couple soil ones) are made up of different parts that the farmer can mix at different ratios to custom-tailor each feed (or reservoir). Some will have multiple parts for vegetative and other multiple parts for flowering - although I've wondered how much variation there is between the two sets, IOW, whether one could mix/match if he knew the ingredients/strengths of each - while some simply have one set for the entire process.

    Might be better if you think of General Hydroponics Flora nutrients Flora Part A, Flora Part B, and Flora Part C instead of Micro, Grow, and Bloom.

    Also, a million years ago (statutes of limitations
    ) when I was growing in Scrog setups, I got the impression that when I used a bit more Bloom early that I ended up with stems that were much more flexible and less prone to breakage when I was training the plants (and healthier plants overall). And as I did not like adding pH adjusters that weren't part of my feed regimen, I found that I could add a bit of Bloom (pretty sure it was Bloom, would have to make the journey into the deep bunker to check my notes to be positive) while topping off the reservoir and the pH would be right back where I wanted it to be. I thought at the time, "Gee, they must have used some of the Bloom if adding it back corrected things." Still think that.

    Oh, and then there's the Lucas formula which doesn't use the GH Flora Grow component at any time during the process.

    Hope that helps!


    Respectfully,
    Tortured Soul





 

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hmontero88

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So does anyone have an input for my nute ratio or feeding schedule? On the day I feed, I feed em once or twice that day, then 2-3 days later I plain ph'ed water with 5ml/per gal of cal-mag, then 2-3 days later I give them water+additives,then 2-3 days later, repeat the feeding... Still trying to figure out the Mystery of the yellowing Hybrids... :joint::-?
 

smokinrav

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Your mistake, after the wall of text, lol, is probably posting this in the newbs forum. Try asking an abbreviated question in the hydro forum and I'll be you have better success. Good luck!
 

hmontero88

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Thanks I did re post it on other advanced forums and no help yet... but I actually found out I was making a noob mistake, I thought the Micro, since it had a high NPK of Nitrogen was not to be used in the bloom, then i realized that those formulas don't work like that. It's actually needed and the "Grow" part of the series is the one that needs less during flowering , the bloom of course is needed at high levels as well.

Once I started my new schedule I posted in the original post and bought a PPM meter, the plants have begun to keep flowering and the yellowing has stopped. It actually seemed more like a Zinc deficiency due to not having enough Micro nutrients, rather than the most common symptom Nitrogen deficiency. I caused a lock-out for sure :bigjoint:
 
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