GOP is disgusting slime

Hemlock said:

Who cares if ACORN turned them in they still committed voters fraud on a NATIONAL scale. Canndo was tryin to say it wasn't as bad as what Ohio is doing but in my opinion its much worse and the record speaks for itself. And Obama was supported and took campaign contribution from them.

So as I said they are both dirty.

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In many states it is ILLLEGAL not to turn in every single registration form, even if they are registering Donald Duck. Individuals have indeed commited fraud.

Now you say that ACORN being forced to turn in every registration that its people may have faked for their own paychecks, and resulting in no concerted effort to sway an election is worse than a Republican drive to subvert the vote of tends of thousands of legitimate voters with the known end result of reducing Democratic votes. You will have to explain that to me.


Further, I have found that in Ohio, in the republican dominated counties - early voting is being accepted. In the Dem dominated counties, it is not. Do you see a problem here?

Hemlock said:

Who cares if ACORN turned them in they still committed voters fraud on a NATIONAL scale. Canndo was tryin to say it wasn't as bad as what Ohio is doing but in my opinion its much worse and the record speaks for itself. And Obama was supported and took campaign contribution from them.

So as I said they are both dirty.

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Dude do you read what you type ???

If I hired you to work for me and you did something wrong ( like stealing from a customer ). I then reported you to the proper authority and did not allow you to continue to steal ??? How I'm I at fault ???? You are at fault for stealing ..I did what I was suppose to do. Now had I not called the proper authority and let you continue to steal. I would be at fault. Your hate for Obama has got you blind

This was a top down decision at ACRON. register as many as possible. So they can vote in the Demo primary/election.
Are you all are really trying to excuse what they did. Come on. Keep drinking the Kool aid kiddies thats what Obama wants you to do.

Hemlock said:

This was a top down decision at ACRON. register as many as possible. So they can vote in the Demo primary/election.
Are you all are really trying to excuse what they did. Come on. Keep drinking the Kool aid kiddies thats what Obama wants you to do.

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Please show us evidence of this "top down" decision or the effects, in other words, how many donald ducks voted in '10? No one is trying to excuse what was done, they are trying to show you the difference between individuals who tried to fatten their paycheck with some petty fraud and an organization that seeks to alter elections on a state wide or nation wide basis.

Kinda like Ohio and their voting lead times being dependant on the political leanings of the particular county.
In other words, counties that are predominantly republican happen to have the extended voting periods, counties that are predominantly dem do not have that luxury. See the difference here?

rozidays said:

No matter what they do to make Obama or any Democrat look macho for the military, we know they loathe the military and the military knows it. If the military vote was polled and in favor of the super-macho-gay-guy in the Whitehouse, they would be playing it up big time and encouraging the military vote.

http://www.rosebudmag.com/truth-squad/dark-knight-rises-nra-guns-second-amendment

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Dems loath the military? is that why republcans had the worst record on VA hospitals? Is that why republicans so love to send the military out to die? Is that why they sent the military out without proper body armor and without properly armed vehicles? Is that why Bush had such trouble increasing military pay?

they love the military in the same way I love rental cars - they make the best off road vehicles cause they aren't mine.

canndo said:

Please show us evidence of this "top down" decision or the effects, in other words, how many donald ducks voted in '10? No one is trying to excuse what was done, they are trying to show you the difference between individuals who tried to fatten their paycheck with some petty fraud and an organization that seeks to alter elections on a state wide or nation wide basis.

Kinda like Ohio and their voting lead times being dependant on the political leanings of the particular county.
In other words, counties that are predominantly republican happen to have the extended voting periods, counties that are predominantly dem do not have that luxury. See the difference here?

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Seriously, they got convicted in every state they were in.

Your equating the military to a rental car is terrible. I think when you get older you may feel differently.

IMO you don't deserve the freedom (the Military) provides canndo.

In this election there is a choice between two very different views on the way our country should go. And I sure don't want to go down Obamas road anymore. Its been filled with lies and socialistic political retribution against people that don't agree with the current administration. Its time to send ChiTown politics back to ChiTown cause the rest of us don't want it. It been nothing but bad for our country.

Hemlock said:

Seriously, they got convicted in every state they were in.

Your equating the military to a rental car is terrible. I think when you get older you may feel differently.

IMO you don't deserve the freedom (the Military) provides canndo.

In this election there is a choice between two very different views on the way our country should go. And I sure don't want to go down Obamas road anymore. Its been filled with lies and socialistic political retribution against people that don't agree with the current administration. Its time to send ChiTown politics back to ChiTown cause the rest of us don't want it. It been nothing but bad for our country.

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Too much older, Hemlock and I won't ever feel a thing again. Yes, they got convicted but you cannot show your "top down" orders within ACORN.

My rental car may be careless but it illustrates my point, the right uses the military towards its own mostly political ends.

the Military has not provided me with my freedom, legions of our ancestors, legions of lawyers, yes, community organizers and common citizens are what "provided" me with my ongoing freedom, seeing as how I was born with those freedoms intact, I can't see where the military had much to do with it, especially in the last 70 years or so.

I don't think you have yet seen bad if you manage to get Romney into office. I admit that I am far from happy with Obama on any number of issues but an about face at this time is far from prudent in my way of thinking. And again, I will warn us all here, Romney will do us a very bad turn should he be elected and select his intended ideological justices for SCOTUS.

I am sad to see that so many still attribute "our freedoms" to our soldiers when they have had virtualy nothing to do with them since WWII. That is unless someone can show me how Viet Nam, and two gulf wars "provided" me with much more than a rather large bill"

canndo said:

Too much older, Hemlock and I won't ever feel a thing again. Yes, they got convicted but you cannot show your "top down" orders within ACORN.

My rental car may be careless but it illustrates my point, the right uses the military towards its own mostly political ends.

the Military has not provided me with my freedom, legions of our ancestors, legions of lawyers, yes, community organizers and common citizens are what "provided" me with my ongoing freedom, seeing as how I was born with those freedoms intact, I can't see where the military had much to do with it, especially in the last 70 years or so.

I don't think you have yet seen bad if you manage to get Romney into office. I admit that I am far from happy with Obama on any number of issues but an about face at this time is far from prudent in my way of thinking. And again, I will warn us all here, Romney will do us a very bad turn should he be elected and select his intended ideological justices for SCOTUS.

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Oh but have provided you with the freedom to say all the terrible things you are saying, in most of the rest of the world if you say the things you say you would disappear . Look we just see things differently. Thats what makes our country great.
But Obamas way is unproven at best and has been proven wrong in many countries.

Hemlock said:

Oh but have provided you with the freedom to say all the terrible things you are saying, in most of the rest of the world if you say the things you say you would disappear . Look we just see things differently. Thats what makes our country great.
But Obamas way is unproven at best and has been proven wrong in many countries.

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Again, Hemlock please describe to me how the wars I mentioned have "provided" me with freedom. It is a shame that PC speech has run so rampant that I cannot point out the truth about our military without being scolded or told what I do and do not "deserve" I assure you, it is not our military that prevents me from "dissapearing" should I say a wrong thing - in fact it might be that the military would contribut to my dissapearance.

What exactly is "Obama's way"? you see many presume that statements like that have some intrinsic meaning when in fact they do not. It is not a given that Obama is the disaster that so many on the right (whoever they are) have already simply clung to as absolute fact.

This is a simple no brainer people!! The GOP is trying to suppress the minority vote and give extra voting time to the military which tend to vote republican! They are doing it legally but, it is still shameful!

OLD DUDE said:

This is a simple no brainer people!! The GOP is trying to suppress the minority vote and give extra voting time to the military which tend to vote republican! They are doing it legally but, it is still shameful!

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Exaxtly so.

Heres a start

Bob Dylan once wrote, "There's no success like failure [we learn from our mistakes], and failure is no success at all." So what has Mr. Obama learned from his mistakes? Admitting to no mistakes during the past three years, "success" is exactly the way the Obama administration explains away the more than 5 trillion taxpayer dollars that have so far been spent. While "success" is most often measured by its return, benefit, or gain, with no way to prove otherwise, this administration chooses to measure its success by "how much worse the recession might have been" if they had not spent the $5 trillion. In fact, as we get closer to the election, these same experts are now telling us that the $5 trillion they spent actually saved the world from another Great Depression. They base this conclusion, of course, on...well, their failure. How noble. Having gained nothing from our $5 trillion somehow proves that they were right to spend it and save us all from "much worse."The last time such success was measured by the depth of its failure was The Great Depression. As my friend Alan the Liberal recently told me, "if there's one thing we learned from the Great Depression, it's that we need to spend more." The fact is that in 1933, unemployment was 18%. By 1938 (just prior to the WWII draft), despite billions of dollars injected into the economy via the First New Deal, the National Recovery Act, the various federal work programs, and the Second New Deal, unemployment was 12.5%, while the federal government, through its various work programs, was employing an additional 10.5%. Despite all the government spending, unemployment had effectively increased. Compare that to the Marshall Plan, during which some $26 billion, or 10% of our GDP at that time, was spent through private industry. Unemployment during those years (1946 to 1952) ranged between 3.9% and 5.3%, despite millions of our servicemen and women returning home from the war and joining the work force.Barak Obama, in 2008, won the presidency on the platform that (among other things) he understood the country's economic problems and, more importantly, knew how to solve them. Three-plus years later, the administration is now telling us that "The economy turns out to have been far worse ... than we knew at the time," "we are moving in the right direction," and that he now "needs more time to fix the economy.""The economy turns out to have been far worse ... than we knew at the time" simply tells us that Mr. Obama never understood the problems to begin with."Moving in the right direction"? Despite more than three years and some $2 trillion spent on bailouts, handouts, and so-called stimulus, there are approximately three million fewer people employed today than were employed in 2008. Approximately three quarters of a million fewer women are employed today than were employed in 2008. Several million others have given up looking for employment entirely, gone into retirement, taken permanent disability, or taken jobs in the underground economy. Few if any of these people will ever again contribute to our tax base.Despite the failure of this administration's policies, Mr. Obama now claims to "need more time." Having no plan in hand while simultaneously claiming that we are moving in the right direction, Mr. Obama is clearly telling us that if he is re-elected, we can expect more deficit spending to pay for the same failed policies over the next four years.If these three statements tell us anything, they tell us that Mr. Obama campaigned in 2008 with no understanding of the problem, has chosen the old liberal solution of throwing money at the problem while hoping things improve, and worse yet, cannot come up with a new plan because to do so would not only admit failure, but concede that he never had a clue to begin with.Only in the liberal Democratic world is failure proof of success. We see it not only in the White House, but in Congress, at our universities, and in increases in compensation for fewer hours and less productivity demanded by our municipal unions. Dylan told us that "There is no success like failure," but in fact, Mr. Obama has learned nothing from his failures during more than three years of on-the-job training. And failure is no success at all.

Look, I value your conversation but you gotta give me a break, I can't read that, how about some paragraphs please?

canndo said:

Look, I value your conversation but you gotta give me a break, I can't read that, how about some paragraphs please?

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Seem lots of folks in your party have trouble reading.

What did Nancy say, no I haven't read the bill, we have to pass it first..... Holy shit these are the people you want running the country...really

canndo said:

Ohio Veterans United, along with a number of military groups, including the National Guard Association have voiced opposition to a lawsuit filed by President Obama’s campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party challenging the fairness of Ohio’s early voting rules claiming that the state’s use of a two-tiered early voting process violates the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection under the law.


“Military voters deserve to have every opportunity possible to cast their ballot, and in Ohio, we have worked with Ohio military organizations to ensure they do,” says Jon Husted, Ohio Secretary of State. “This premise of the Obama campaign’s lawsuit is that because of the high level of support we offer to members of the military and their families, the rest of Ohioans are somehow being treated unfairly. I fundamentally disagree and will make no apologies for the additional flexibility we have afforded our service members to participate in Ohio elections. The truth is there is plenty of opportunity for all voters to participate in the election this November whether they choose to vote early, by mail or on Election Day.”
In Ohio, state law allows families of armed forces members and civilians overseas to vote through the Monday before an election while early voting for all other Ohioans ends the preceding Friday. The Obama campaign wants a court order to invalidate the Ohio statutes.
“The men and women serving in the U.S. military, who risk their lives for us, have often been denied the basic right to vote,” says Harry Prestanski, executive director and founding member of Ohio Veterans United. “Our mission is to ensure that military voters have the ability to cast their votes and to have them counted. This lawsuit is an intentional attack on those serving in the military and purposely disenfranchises those serving their country.”

Ohio was recently recognized by The Military Voter Protection (MVP) Project for their leadership in promoting and protecting the voting rights of America’s military service members and their families.
Ohio House Bill Number 194, House Bill Number 224 and Senate Bill Number 295 were enacted by the 129th Ohio General Assembly. These laws allows voters using the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voter Act (“UOCAVA”) to vote early in-person at a board of elections office up through the Monday before Election Day, while non-UOCAVA voters can vote early in-person at a board of elections office (or designated alternate site) only up until 6 p.m. on the Friday before Election Day. Basically, the Ohio Legislature recognized the undue hardship imposed on those military men and women serving and provided an additional three days for them to vote.The lawsuit by the Obama campaign would eliminate the extra three days allowed the military.
“I find this move by the Obama campaign and the Democratic Party to be offensive,” said Prestanski. “In 2000, the Democratic party disenfranchised military voters using absentee ballots when key Democratic Party officials led a campaign to have numerous military ballots be disqualified .It was disgusting then and it is disgusting now.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-campaign-sues-to-restrict-military-voting-ohio

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Ohio-military-vote-Democrats/2012/08/03/id/447552


And I could give you another dozen smears from the rightist Echo Chamber.




Let's look at what really happened:

Ohio'
Bad as some of the current GOP tactics are, this one is exceptionaly low. I would love to see some of the right on this board own up to the crap just once.

Or will you guys spin it as well.

s rightist legislature voted to surpress all pre-election voting. No longer could the poor, the aged and those who's work keeps them from being able to turn up at the polls vote early - as many as 60,000 legitimate voters will be effectively disenfranchised. Oh but wait, this little law also affected members of the military so an exemption was put into place. Obama rightfully claims that this two tiered voting plan is unconstitutional.

Rather than the GOP admitting that they are purposefully sculpting the vote in their favor they are accusing Obama of attempting to keep the military from voting.

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Canndo, it is rather brave of you to own up to the left's efforts to suppress the military vote. Bravo!!!

Hemlock said:

Seem lots of folks in your party have trouble reading.

What did Nancy say, no I haven't read the bill, we have to pass it first..... Holy shit these are the people you want running the country...really

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I don't think this is a party thing, I and at least some of the others here appreciate the courtesy of not presenting us with a wall of grey. but I saw some interesting misconceptions in there so I may do it myself.

desert dude said:

Canndo, it is rather brave of you to own up to the left's efforts to suppress the military vote. Bravo!!!

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I will "own up" to whatever the left does, in this case they are not attempting to surprss the military vote, it would be a political nightmare - which is exactly why the right is casting it that way when in reality the right is doing its utmost to supress everyone's vote BUT the military.

Read the history, read the law suit.

canndo said:

I will "own up" to whatever the left does, in this case they are not attempting to surprss the military vote, it would be a political nightmare - which is exactly why the right is casting it that way when in reality the right is doing its utmost to supress everyone's vote BUT the military.

Read the history, read the law suit.

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Remember the Democrats trying to throw out the absentee ballots from overseas military personnel in Florida in 2000?

This is all about the voter ID laws and is just another wedge issue for the 2012 election, similar to the "war on women" etc. It's a big yawn.

Ohio Republicans have a long history of attempting to rig elections.

http://blogs.detroitnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/gop-voter-suppression-in-ohio/