Gov shut down

schuylaar

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."~ the first amendment.




scuttle on bucky.

you are once again out of your depth.
The phrase of Jefferson (see above) was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947.[SUP][55][/SUP] The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The Supreme Court did not consider the question of how this applied to the states until 1947; when they did, in Everson v. Board of Education, the court determined that the first amendment applied to the states and that a law enabling reimbursement for busing to all schools (including parochial schools) was constitutional.[SUP][56][/SUP]
Before 1947, however, these provisions were not considered to apply at the state level;[SUP][dubious – discuss][/SUP] indeed in the 1870s and 1890s unsuccessful attempts were made to amend the constitution to accomplish this, but it was accomplished by judicial decision in 1947.[SUP][57][/SUP][SUP][not in citation given][/SUP][SUP][58][/SUP]
The concept was implicit in the flight of Roger Williams from religious oppression in the Massachusetts Bay Colony to found the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations on the principle of state neutrality in matters of faith.[SUP][59][/SUP][SUP][60][/SUP]
Williams was motivated by historical abuse of governmental power, and believed that government must remove itself from anything that touched upon human beings’ relationship with God, advocating a "hedge or wall of Separation between the Garden of the Church and the Wilderness of the world" in order to keep the church pure.
Through his work Rhode Island’s charter was confirmed by King Charles II of England, which explicitly stated that no one was to be “molested, punished, disquieted, or called in question, for any differences in opinion, in matters of religion.”
Williams is credited with helping to shape the church and state debate in England, and influencing such men as John Milton and particularly John Locke, whose work was studied closely by Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and other architects of the U.S. Constitution. Williams theologically derived his views mainly from Scripture and his motive is seen as religious, but Jefferson's advocation of religious liberty is seen as political and social.[SUP][61][/SUP]
 

Jimdamick

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Why is that the Republican party in general, and the Teabaggers specifically, are so intent on screwing up the any hope of progress in this country? How is that these right wing, conservative imbeciles can bring this country to a screeching halt. They should be insignificant, but thru gerrymandering districts in the most backwards areas of this country, somehow they can walk into Washington and seemingly take control and shut down the Government. It really shouldn't be possible, but somehow it is. This is very sad.
 

UncleBuck

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most states did enact legislation establishing Official Religions, and barring the free exercise of others.
citation needed.

i expect at least 26 states to have an official state religion, with many more literally barring the free exercise of other religions.

otherwise, we'll just add this to the mammoth heap of lies you spew on to this board.

crawling in through the window in the dark, not getting arrested.
 

UncleBuck

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They produce mountains of red tape.
tell every farmer that irrigates with water from the california aqueduct how the government produces nothing.

hell, tell the city of phoenix and surrounding areas how little the government produces.

 

Flaming Pie

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White house site.

In 2011, Congress passed a law saying that if they couldn’t agree on a plan
to reduce our deficit by $4 trillion — including the $2.5 trillion in deficit
reduction lawmakers in both parties have already accomplished over the last few
years — about $1 trillion in automatic, arbitrary and across the board budget
cuts would start to take effect in 2013.
They had plenty of time IMO to get their shit together.
 

Red1966

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In English, the exact term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state", as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. In that letter, referencing the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, Jefferson writes: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion and vice versa.[SUP][15][/SUP] The Bill of Rights was one of the earliest examples in the world of complete religious freedom (adopted in 1791, only preceded by the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen in 1789) but it was interpreted as establishing a separation of Church and State only after the letter of Jefferson (see section United States for more details). At the time of the passage of the Bill of Rights, many states acted in ways that would now be held unconstitutional, some of them with official state churches. All of the early official state churches were disestablished by 1833. [h=2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state[/h]
So, not an amendment then?
 

Red1966

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i think its funny that you all argue on here like its going to change a damn thing. how about you spend some time writing to your congresspeople instead?? thats the only REAL heat they are going to feel with this. we need to bombard them with communications. just do it and stop bitching at each other, its rather pointless and not fruitful.
We can be heard here for free, or spend $0.45 and be ignored.
 
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