Greengenes Apache AT600 Garden- Blackberry Kush
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chazbolin
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Sorry to put you through that I just thought you might recognize the panels and as expected you did and had reached similar opinions as mine. He uses absurd mathematics and of no relevance. He has 'normalized' charts where the values exceed 100% of the Y Axis. Seriously? To be properly represent these values he would have to show normalized integrals within the PAR curve. What he has presented puts his values literally off the charts!
L Michael Roberts knows induction as an area light but his danger is in trying to act like an immediate expert at plant lighting with a meandering and poorly written diatribe which aims to prove his intellectual and product superiority over all other induction lamps and technology available? When you throw everything under the sun into your paper like where on page 45 he uses 9 charts shown in 5 minute intervals that when a lamp warms up it will stabilize intensities and spectrums. We grow plants with the lights on for 12+ hours a day. Does it really take two pages of charts to tell us that?
On page 18 under Theory in the second sentence he admits to having produced his own PAR curve. What McCree or DIN 5031.10 wasn't good enough?
GG do me a favor and take a moment to go hit the pipe....
.....ahh that's better. Now go to pages 6 and 7 and tell me that a review of those charts won't snark you out after a minute or two. If that was his intention than well done!
He values his work to the point that he must maintain STRICT copyright control over everything within this document. The only reason I threw in with IG on the V-C-F paper (after reading this paper I'm glad I did) was if it could be understood by anyone with a reasonable understanding of plants and light and it could NOT be copyright protected. Once that was agreed to we were off to the races. After reading the Roberts paper I was left with a sense of what will this type of publicity do to induction lighting as an energy efficient grow lighting option? I don't think it will but it had damn well better outperform every competitor and technology or this research work is going to be forever challenged.
I like induction and LED and welcome the spirited competition amongst the technologies and the various manufacturers. But this 45 page paper by Mr. Roberts is rambling and misguided and that is as friendly a review as you're gonna get here.
Sorry didn't mean to jack the thread. We will now return you to your normal programming.
L Michael Roberts knows induction as an area light but his danger is in trying to act like an immediate expert at plant lighting with a meandering and poorly written diatribe which aims to prove his intellectual and product superiority over all other induction lamps and technology available? When you throw everything under the sun into your paper like where on page 45 he uses 9 charts shown in 5 minute intervals that when a lamp warms up it will stabilize intensities and spectrums. We grow plants with the lights on for 12+ hours a day. Does it really take two pages of charts to tell us that?
On page 18 under Theory in the second sentence he admits to having produced his own PAR curve. What McCree or DIN 5031.10 wasn't good enough?
GG do me a favor and take a moment to go hit the pipe....
.....ahh that's better. Now go to pages 6 and 7 and tell me that a review of those charts won't snark you out after a minute or two. If that was his intention than well done! He values his work to the point that he must maintain STRICT copyright control over everything within this document. The only reason I threw in with IG on the V-C-F paper (after reading this paper I'm glad I did) was if it could be understood by anyone with a reasonable understanding of plants and light and it could NOT be copyright protected. Once that was agreed to we were off to the races. After reading the Roberts paper I was left with a sense of what will this type of publicity do to induction lighting as an energy efficient grow lighting option? I don't think it will but it had damn well better outperform every competitor and technology or this research work is going to be forever challenged.
I like induction and LED and welcome the spirited competition amongst the technologies and the various manufacturers. But this 45 page paper by Mr. Roberts is rambling and misguided and that is as friendly a review as you're gonna get here.
Sorry didn't mean to jack the thread. We will now return you to your normal programming.
Greengenes707
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On track to be epic
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Grandmah
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Wow. Resin is going to cover everything.
Scotch089
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Man you are loving that scrog! And so they stack!
Bit of irony- I was thinking about my temps today- kept saying ideally i want 79*, i need 79* ALL the time. it seems to be my number to go to under LED, @82* I get taco, but 77-79 is when I see the fastest growth, under LEDs. Definitely somethin goin on with Transpiration there. Too cool..
So shnazzy my brother
Bit of irony- I was thinking about my temps today- kept saying ideally i want 79*, i need 79* ALL the time. it seems to be my number to go to under LED, @82* I get taco, but 77-79 is when I see the fastest growth, under LEDs. Definitely somethin goin on with Transpiration there. Too cool..
So shnazzy my brother
marijuanaFTW
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awesome grow man def scribed to this...
im planning a 4x4 scrog in the near future
im planning a 4x4 scrog in the near future
Greengenes707
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Serously, it's out to the very tips of even fan leaves.
Thanks brother. I feed yesterday and they bumped some more. And great health continues too.
It really is a sweet spot right around 78*. It must be the perfect leaf temp when ambient is right there. I exhaust once an hour for 15min. It just stays right between 76-81, basically 78 most of the time. Come summer it ill really be nice.Man you are loving that scrog! And so they stack!
Bit of irony- I was thinking about my temps today- kept saying ideally i want 79*, i need 79* ALL the time. it seems to be my number to go to under LED, @82* I get taco, but 77-79 is when I see the fastest growth, under LEDs. Definitely somethin goin on with Transpiration there. Too cool..
So shnazzy my brother
It has been cold at night, but not like your place. The last few days have been sorta warm for once.
It's my first time indoors with a net/trellis/SCROG. I really wanted an even canopy that would maximize the area, I think scrog was perfect to do it. So far so good.
Thanks man. Should be the best yet.
As long as the results and product are great, there will always be a place for apache.
wyteberrywidow
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Grow is looking very nice. Tagged up to see how they finish good job so far.
Greengenes707
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I snapped a couple night shots. It's hard to get them focused, but got a couple...
nice grow geengenes. really fast crop blackberry kush. I'm really curious to see what kind of yield of the premium buds you pull from this grow. Looks like a really good point of reference for a great grow.
I'd love to see what you can do with some strong heavy producing sativa and these lights.
I'd love to see what you can do with some strong heavy producing sativa and these lights.
Greengenes707
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I think this run will be a good yield, but not record breaking. But the potency could be something special, I will get it tested for sure.
You and I have the same thought about a producing sativa. I am currently tracking down blue dream. It is surprisingly hard to find all of a sudden. I have passed on a few good looking healthy genetics lately because I only want dream. It's what everyone has their biggest/bar setting yields with...me included. It used to be too popular, but now that doesn't matter to me I just want a performing strain to match the lights capabilities. Plus it's one of my favorites and I need a new sativa for the stash soon. Jilly is running low.
I have been growing Selene, from Sannies Seeds, not as well known, but a nice hybrid and produces well. Blue Santa from Escobar is the latest I'm testing.
Greengenes707
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I like to do clones indoors. I only run beans outdoors. I have a couple Jillybean crosses that I made I will pop this spring to see what makes it to inside for the fall. And then I will have my own little strain that no one else has. And no more clone hunting anymore too.
Greengenes707
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Breed them outdoors, with pollen collected indoors(not my garden). Freshly harvested as a return gift since I gifted him the beans in the first place, then taken to the garden(after a shower and change) and painted on some lowers.
The following crossed with jilly...
Kandy Kush(og x trainwreck)
Skunk#1(sensi)
Chem99(cindy99 x chemD pollen)
GSC(questionable legitimacy, very durban smelling, no color)
Super sour OG(only a couple good beans)
SFV OG(gave all to my dad)
So who know what jilly could bring to any of those.
I really want to do the Kandy Kush cross. The KK was so good.
The following crossed with jilly...
Kandy Kush(og x trainwreck)
Skunk#1(sensi)
Chem99(cindy99 x chemD pollen)
GSC(questionable legitimacy, very durban smelling, no color)
Super sour OG(only a couple good beans)
SFV OG(gave all to my dad)
So who know what jilly could bring to any of those.
I really want to do the Kandy Kush cross. The KK was so good.
Greengenes707
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They are taking up water/feed really quick lately. The structure is really there and they're stacking hard. I expect some really thick solid colas.
They smell like pure blueberry. It's not a general berry...it's straight up blueberry. I really like it.
They smell like pure blueberry. It's not a general berry...it's straight up blueberry. I really like it.
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