Greenhouse Seed Co. So much negativity

Nastydroaste said:

Does anyone really know for a fact how Greenhouse breeds, or is this all speculation? I really doubt anyone here would know..

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well the latest news is that they are buying seeds from Spanish mass seed producers in bulk and are labelling them and selling them..
Its well known that these Spanish bulk breeders supply some seedbanks when they are out of stock.

the beans Greenhouse gave me are allll goooood. sounds like all the neysayers are just a bunch of fuckups that don't want to admit they did sumthing wrong. (fuckups always have trouble admitting they're wrong and try to blame sumone else. its only five weeks in and i'm gonna give em at least five more buds everywhere. not one bare node. my only complaint is the supposed indica mix haas sprouted me a sativa monster u should see this thing the only thing thats stoppin it from goin thru the roof is my trusty string and duct tape

My guess is , well at least from reading this thread is that ghs takes other companies or breader seeds, strains,clones,or what have you...........
Then makes there own crosses and hybrids..... I guess theyre just adding on ..... Oh well
I got some kings kush from them..... And it looks great....
So what if they just toook some ones grape ape and someones og cut and stabalized them....
As long as it taste bomb after its grown ....ill be a happy man....

323cheezy said:

My guess is , well at least from reading this thread is that ghs takes other companies or breader seeds, strains,clones,or what have you...........
Then makes there own crosses and hybrids..... I guess theyre just adding on ..... Oh well
I got some kings kush from them..... And it looks great....
So what if they just toook some ones grape ape and someones og cut and stabalized them....
As long as it taste bomb after its grown ....ill be a happy man....

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ghs church kicks ass and so does the skunk, the ai sucks and so does nl

bought a mix of five greenhouse seeds. started three of them, three sprouted, three are thriving. as meatloaf sang "three out of three is un-fucking believable". $6.00 a seed. cheers franko, i owe you a smoke

greenhouse was good when Shantibaba was running it back in the day.

I'm counting on GH sending me an extremely high quality product. I just ordered 10 of their feminized Super Lemon Haze seeds today. Actually I ordered them from Attitude and they have a special and I get 6 free that are also very high quality. SLH won first place sativa in the Cannabis Cup the last two years.

I had trouble germinating 2 big bangs and 2 churches (both fem). It could have been my fault however. They were a bit hot when germinating. After they popped I planted the first round and they died. Second try they popped open and one turned black and the other just stopped growing at about 15mm even though it looked healthy. The third try I made sure they were just a little warm and they are doing fine, but it took a few more days to pop open and I had to help them both out of their shells once they sprouted. The church has twisted, lumpy leaves and I think it's going to end up being a mutant. They haven't grown their second set of serrated leaves yet though. Both are only about a week old. I've been planning on getting shark shock for my next grow and this thread helped reinforce that decision. If I had the money I would probably get some DJ Short genetics too. They are just way too expensive for me though.

Anyone know about pyramid seeds? Some of the pics you see in their adds are amazing. I'd love to get some of those unique looking buds.

Interesting. So, I have an arjan's haze #1 and an arjan's strawberry haze going. Thirty nine days of vegging and today is their first day of 12/12. So far, no problems. The strawberry haze has been showing flowers for the past week and I'm hoping the #1 is soon to follow with the light switch. I'll form my own opinions when they are done.

Personally, I could care less if Arjan is a whore, he's a business person and most of them are the same, profit is what matters. Just like most everything, it starts with high ideals, good intentions and some kind of a moral code...then the money starts rolling in and the ideals, good intentions and moral code fly out the window and the business side of business takes over. Profit becomes the main thrust for too many businesses and the customers suffer. This whole thing sounds like a bunch of in-fighting in the industry. The cannabis cup corrupt? What a surprise, it proves my point about business, even the weed business where for most it's all about the money. Is there any reason an ounce of good weed should cost four hundred dollars?

thedude121212 said:

the beans Greenhouse gave me are allll goooood. sounds like all the neysayers are just a bunch of fuckups that don't want to admit they did sumthing wrong. (fuckups always have trouble admitting they're wrong and try to blame sumone else.

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Dead balls on WRONG.

Heres my story about GHSC, their product and business practices. All I have ever ordered from GHSC was The Church, so that is specifically the strain Im talking about.

In 2008 there was reported problems w/ germination rates w/ The Church. The company responded and said all problems were fixed. Read more here: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=91752

After reading that the problems were sorted out I felt confident enough to order a 5 pack. I germinated all 5 along w/ the freebie seeds and a few that I had been saving. Every seed germinated EXCEPT The Church. Out of the 5 only 1 germinated and it was a runt that I killed.

I talked w/ Attitude and got a replacement package w/ my next order. Guess what? Only 1 seed germinated and it was lame.
So I got 2/10 and didnt bother to grow the 2 that did germinate.

On forums Ive seen people posting similar problems, the same problem has popped up again. GHSC posts on 1 of the forums regularly and has to have seen the posts. They responded telling us to "score" or "sand" the seed.

When I germinated the GHSC seeds I also germinated seeds from Barneys Farm, Dinafem, G13 Labs, DNA Genetics and Reserva Privada along w/ some seeds that I had made. I got 100% rate w/ all my seeds. These seeds were germed along w/ The Church in the same plates in the same environment.

Ive NEVER had problems w/ germination, not once except w/ The Church.

This is where your post comes in. I have been growing for over 20 years. LOL I know how to germinate seeds. The GHSC seeds of The Church were/are bunk. Period.

I think the real problem is noobish growers that become fanboys of a seed company when they dont know 1/2 as much as they think they do.

I won't get into the way GreenHouse does business or even comment on the quality of their seeds in general. Just want to let the OP know you are not completely wasting your time. I grew out a fem mix pack of GHS strains a few months ago. I didn't get WW but the Cheese was one of my favorites. Not just my favorite from that GHS pack but a favorite among my other strains from other very good breeders such as TGA and Cannacopia. It may be the Buddha cut crossed with afghani but it's still dank. Smells and tastes like you dropped a gram of kush bud into a bag of cheetos. Super cheesey and kushy plus a great yield. Plus there is no problem with cloning those fem beans, I've done it several times already with no problems.

Greenhouse is great, the only reason people dont like them is political. most people that talk shit dont even grow them. Aside from the church if you are having germ problems then blaim yourself not your seeds, theres a thread on icmag with a guy testing GHS germ rates, i think he is 10/10 right now. Regardless of where the strains come from they are very affordable and get you nice and high. People talk shit about things like it not being the real arcata trainwreck cut, well guess what, most people dont live in that area so its as close as some will get, i would rather have a cheap knockoff than nothing at all. I like greenhouse and ive had, THseeds, DP, nirvana,DNA, reservoir, paradise.

For a company that cuts it's prices for female seeds they sure do get a bad rap. They and Nirvana have made seed prices for decent stains available to the masses. I know you get what you pay for but I have grown 200 dollar seeds and GHS seeds with barely any noticeable differences besides the fact that the more expensive seeds usually give you less phenotypes so you can tell what exactly you are getting. I like variety though so greenhouse works for me.

NewGrowth said:

It's not just the plants which are something else I believe. For example the Greenhouse Trainwreck and the Arcata cut Trainwreck I've had are COMPLETELY different. Whatever Greenhouse is claiming to be "Trainwreck" is different than the real stuff. I've ordered from Greenhouse for a while and have seen a steady decline in their product quality over the years. They used to have strains with amazing highs, now they have stuff like "trainwreck" that grows a very cool plant but has a rather "unrefined" high.

So I guess I don't discount Greenhouse completely but as of late their product has been poor in comparison to what so many of these new, and old school breeders are doing.

For comparison grow some Mandala Genetics (TGA too!) along side some Greenhouse strains. I can promise you that you will be more impressed by what these new Spanish breeders are doing with land-race genetics.

To me it is about constantly improving and working with cannabis genetics to produce the highest quality plant AND smoke. While at the same time providing reasonably priced quality seeds. Some feminized seeds are well done but I think a good breeder should also provide improved genetics with regular seeds as well.

Good luck to you all in your search for the best seeds

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GHS does have the Arcata TW cut. Some info that has been confirmed..this is what Rez has to say:

Back On Topic:
Factoid: Reeferman brought a bunch of his Parent Stock to Amsterdam several years ago.
If GHS has a "king's cross" clone,it's probably from when Reef and Derry from Barney's had a falling-out in a partnership that never worked out-and Derry kept a shit-pile of Reef's P1 Stock....That'd be my guess.
GHS' "bubba kush" IS actually based ("femmd") on the legit Bubba Kush Clone,and their ("femmd") Trainwreck is based on the TW-Arcata Cut,which they also possess. Fwiw.

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Hi all.
One last Factoid:
GHS still has its' (Shanti's Period) SSH P1 Stock,too.
Sorry,haters,but it IS legit.
IMO GHS is polluting growrooms with their "femmd" dreck & disingenuous
marketing campaign.
At lunch last year I offered Arjan (basically) all my P1 Stock,IF he'd ONLY breed M/F with them,for FREE.
I wanted the genetics spread wider,for the good of the community.
No dice.
That said,Arjan offered me any new,"femmd" GHS stock to try,I have yet to,as the S1
"chemdog" (that they never released due to S1 FAIL!) was the only one
that interested me-just to see it nose-dive just as I knew it would have.

I'll get you guys an inexpensive,M/F,"elite"-based release so's you can compare painlessly.


Cheers!

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Tons of stuff spread around on icmag and thcfarmer.

i have always had a good germination rate with ghs

i can vouch for ghs ....
they do have the apothecary cut ....
I knew cause i grew out there kings kush which essentiallly is gods gift....
or what we call it in socal......
Dna also has a killer og cut ..... that ncomes threw in there strains...
Speakin on rez .... i got to get his strawberry diesel...
Seeen those clones for sale...
No more ghs or dna for me...'
im just gonna get cuts from PO, suite 215, or la wonderland ....
but ghs is basically now putting out legit cali strains for sho....

smppro said:

Greenhouse is great, the only reason people dont like them is political. most people that talk shit dont even grow them. Aside from the church if you are having germ problems then blaim yourself not your seeds, theres a thread on icmag with a guy testing GHS germ rates, i think he is 10/10 right now. Regardless of where the strains come from they are very affordable and get you nice and high. People talk shit about things like it not being the real arcata trainwreck cut, well guess what, most people dont live in that area so its as close as some will get, i would rather have a cheap knockoff than nothing at all. I like greenhouse and ive had, THseeds, DP, nirvana,DNA, reservoir, paradise.

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I've grown plenty of GHS and they used to be great but they are well on their way to suck-ville with un-reliable germination rates and a ridiculous coating that slows germination.

Arjan and his buddies are not breeders either; he is a marketing man that buys strains. Then they produce only feminized seeds due to their lack of viable breeding males and greed. As a result over time their older genetics a degraded and "new" strains bred from them produce poor offspring or wide phenotype variance.

Get some old school genetics from breeders that actually take pride in preserving their genetic line. Serious Seeds is a good example but a lot of good breeders have "re-named" some of the well know strains. For example Mr. Nice Seeds has one of the ORIGINAL White Widow's but Shanti call's it "Black Widow". Arajan also has a White Widow that was from OG stock but you see the two right along side, and taste the Black Widow you will know who the real breeder is.
I have a strain called Killawatt from Seedism and though it has a funny name it is simply the same old Hindu Kush that has been bred by the Cannabis College in Holland for over 20yrs.

Why buy mediocre GHS when you can find amazing genetics from so many other sources?

Im current doing white rhino, white widow and arjans strawberry haze, out of 7 seeds planted 1 has..shrivelled up or something. and it was a rhino, could also well have been my fault, there would be no need for me to try and blame that on the greenhouse. All iv noticed is the arjans are growing much slower than a friends dutch passion blueberry. But they are also more compact than the blueberry, each plant has its merits. White widow is also growing nicely now i was expecting it to take a while to germ. the white rhino went from seed to inch tall and 2 sets of leaves in a day. 21 light/3 dark .

Im gonna ghs bubba kush just to see what its like, also about 5king kushes, although Ive heard some complaints about the king kush. Im waiting for a current cycle to finish, but I did have 100% germ out of 5 bubba/5 king, even the church popped up. So personally Ive never had any germ problems with gh, but I know there are alot better genetics out there at the moment. I dont think gh is bad by any means, but Id prefer subcool, serious, soma, dna etc...before going with gh...just a matter of preference I suppose. Peace

I like lemon skunk. very tasty and potent. I grow subcool strains too and lemon skunk stays strong in my rotation.