GREEN'S PROBIOTIC METHOD

MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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CrunchBerries said:
The dunked water will be wicked up into the soil medium and kill larva. Adults are being handled with yellow stickies.
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Hey, I was about to make some homemade Grokashi soon. Should I do a write up? I mean, the recipe is all over the place and it's easy enough to follow. I just got 2x huge bags of red wheat bran from the feed store. Homemade LABS and Grokashi together... I have an old dog with digestive issues and she has problems going #2 often. I realized that she was eating some Grokashi(store bought) and she was actually gobbling it down, so I'm going to make a HUGE batch in a 10gal bucket. It pre/probiotics and fiber together and she loves it.
 
BluntMoniker

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So I turned a buddy of mine onto SIPs and probiotic gardening. He set his SIP up, added water to the rez, and has been letting everything sit.

About a week later, and his topsoil is covered with a nice amount of white mycelium, but he also has patches of black mold as well.

I told him to lift a corner of the plastic to allow some air exchange, and to not add any more water... but was wondering if anyone else has experienced this, what the cause is, and what the solution is. He has several weeks until he'll be planting in the SIP, so im sure it will clear up on its own... but I just want to be sure we eliminate this issue before we throw any plants in.

Any thoughts @MustangStudFarm @Greenthumbs256 @Polyuro @CrunchBerries @meangreengrowinmachine

Tagged all the guys in here who seem to know a bit more about SIPs than the average bear... appreciate any info you guys can give!
 
CrunchBerries

CrunchBerries

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MustangStudFarm said:
Hey, I was about to make some homemade Grokashi soon. Should I do a write up? I mean, the recipe is all over the place and it's easy enough to follow. I just got 2x huge bags of red wheat bran from the feed store. Homemade LABS and Grokashi together... I have an old dog with digestive issues and she has problems going #2 often. I realized that she was eating some Grokashi(store bought) and she was actually gobbling it down, so I'm going to make a HUGE batch in a 10gal bucket. It pre/probiotics and fiber together and she loves it.
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I would say yes for selfish reasons, as that is the next thing I’m going to take a look at doing.
 
CrunchBerries

CrunchBerries

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BluntMoniker said:
So I turned a buddy of mine onto SIPs and probiotic gardening. He set his SIP up, added water to the rez, and has been letting everything sit.

About a week later, and his topsoil is covered with a nice amount of white mycelium, but he also has patches of black mold as well.

I told him to lift a corner of the plastic to allow some air exchange, and to not add any more water... but was wondering if anyone else has experienced this, what the cause is, and what the solution is. He has several weeks until he'll be planting in the SIP, so im sure it will clear up on its own... but I just want to be sure we eliminate this issue before we throw any plants in.

Any thoughts @MustangStudFarm @Greenthumbs256 @Polyuro @CrunchBerries @meangreengrowinmachine

Tagged all the guys in here who seem to know a bit more about SIPs than the average bear... appreciate any info you guys can give!
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Thank you for including me in this list, but I don’t know shit. Ha! I have the same dark areas in mine also after some time. Think it’s just trichoderma https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma
I just flipped two Bodhi Space Monkeys And I have never seen healthier plants, so I guess it’s not harmful. If you search through this thread @MustangStudFarm details how he top dresses with Grokashi then once the mat forms in 3-5 days to top dress again with malted barley, crab meal, then compost to get a more dense mat. I’m doing that for my lastish topdressing. Hope this helps, but I’m curious too.
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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BluntMoniker said:
So I turned a buddy of mine onto SIPs and probiotic gardening. He set his SIP up, added water to the rez, and has been letting everything sit.

About a week later, and his topsoil is covered with a nice amount of white mycelium, but he also has patches of black mold as well.

I told him to lift a corner of the plastic to allow some air exchange, and to not add any more water... but was wondering if anyone else has experienced this, what the cause is, and what the solution is. He has several weeks until he'll be planting in the SIP, so im sure it will clear up on its own... but I just want to be sure we eliminate this issue before we throw any plants in.

Any thoughts @MustangStudFarm @Greenthumbs256 @Polyuro @CrunchBerries @meangreengrowinmachine

Tagged all the guys in here who seem to know a bit more about SIPs than the average bear... appreciate any info you guys can give!
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Streptomyces is the culture that Grokashi is bringing to the game. They get theirs from the beet juice. The beets live in the rhizosphere of the Streptomyces bacteria, so Alan Adkisson uses it to inoculate Grokashi. I wasn't adding it to my homemade 'kashi, so I was trying to understand what I was missing by not using beet juice. Anyways, if you look up Streptomyces, it's the cotton looking growth. I think that it gets all fuzzy at the peak of it's life and I don't exactly know the life span of the stuff, but I don't think that it's very long. Having it turn different colors is part of the process. To me, it looks like IMO from KNF. You know, when the rice will have pink, yellow, and green mold spots. One interesting thing that I did see about Streptomyces was that it contains chitinase, which helps break down crab/crustacean meal.
 
MustangStudFarm

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CrunchBerries said:
I would say yes for selfish reasons, as that is the next thing I’m going to take a look at doing.
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See if you have a feed store around you. You know, like cattle feed store. Call them and see if they have wheat bran w/o additives. I messed up once and the bran had gypsum in it, no bueno. If you are already making homemade LABS, then making Bokashi(not grokashi) is pretty easy. Grokashi is just added ingredients to bokashi recipe. The additives are kinda pricey too, like Youngevity is $60 a bottle. However, I started drinking the stuff too and like it. There is also this other stuff called Super Cera powder, it's from the same company that makes EM1. It's also $60 for the smallest bag, but that little bag will last forever. I had to buy a kilo of the stuff and I think that you only use tablespoons of the stuff at a time. I might need a couple of days to get beets. I buy them whole and juice them in my masticating juicer. I might revive one of my old threads and just add to it.
 
BluntMoniker

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MustangStudFarm said:
Streptomyces is the culture that Grokashi is bringing to the game. They get theirs from the beet juice. The beets live in the rhizosphere of the Streptomyces bacteria, so Alan Adkisson uses it to inoculate Grokashi. I wasn't adding it to my homemade 'kashi, so I was trying to understand what I was missing by not using beet juice. Anyways, if you look up Streptomyces, it's the cotton looking growth. I think that it gets all fuzzy at the peak of it's life and I don't exactly know the life span of the stuff, but I don't think that it's very long. Having it turn different colors is part of the process. To me, it looks like IMO from KNF. You know, when the rice will have pink, yellow, and green mold spots. One interesting thing that I did see about Streptomyces was that it contains chitinase, which helps break down crab/crustacean meal.
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Very well informed response.. thanks for clearing that up for me brother!
 
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Xsan

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House is going on the market and planning a new start. If I am gonna run with this method for 5 *30 gallon sips, drain pipe and vermeculite floor style how does my shopping list with BAS look? with it being new soil, do you think I should add anything to it this first round? I am afraid the kraft blend would make it too hot. I figure I will add organic calmag to the res as I plan on using ro water. How do the volumes/ratios look for you guys who have run through this? each plant will have its own 30 gallon sip and a 960 watts of samsung led and either 16 or 25 sq ft of room to explore

10lbs bas kashi blend
1 kilo tm7
1 gallon em1
1 rootwise combo pack
1 gallon molasses
12cf vermeculite(medium or coarse grade?)
8cf bus compost
1cy bas 3.0
 
CrunchBerries

CrunchBerries

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New sip, new soil just add some oyster shell to balance ph. EWC, crustacean meal and malted barley with your kashi/compost for top dressing. To amend your soil for future runs , malted barley, kelp, alfalfa, neem and karanja, gypsum, basalt, rice hulls etc. The first couple pages has most of the information, directions and amendments list. I’ve posted a link pretty recently to another forum where Green added some extra pics and info.
You can activate or expand your em-1 and I’ve posted a helpful video pretty recently on this thread. A little goes a long way. I would say don’t use organic molasses as it has a ph buffer that takes longer to activate.
Hope this helps
 
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Xsan

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CrunchBerries said:
New sip, new soil just add some oyster shell to balance ph. EWC, crustacean meal and malted barley with your kashi/compost for top dressing. To amend your soil for future runs , malted barley, kelp, alfalfa, neem and karanja, gypsum, basalt, rice hulls etc. The first couple pages has most of the information, directions and amendments list. I’ve posted a link pretty recently to another forum where Green added some extra pics and info.
You can activate or expand your em-1 and I’ve posted a helpful video pretty recently on this thread. A little goes a long way. I would say don’t use organic molasses as it has a ph buffer that takes longer to activate.
Hope this helps
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Excellent info, thank you! I have watched the em-1 expansion videos and think I have a decent grasp on that part.

I think I've figured out the design of the sip. Not quite sure about volumes in the container(water 6 gal vermiculite 2 gal, soill20 gal) but will find out when I build one but I will find out when I fill it lol. With your input I feel good about the soil. This thread has me covered on the process(I hope). I will need to sit down and write out a calender/schedule to keep everything flowing. But unless I am missing something I dont see why this shouldn't give me some heavy plants assuming I keep temp and rh in check
 
CrunchBerries

CrunchBerries

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Xsan said:
Excellent info, thank you! I have watched the em-1 expansion videos and think I have a decent grasp on that part.

I think I've figured out the design of the sip. Not quite sure about volumes in the container(water 6 gal vermiculite 2 gal, soill20 gal) but will find out when I build one but I will find out when I fill it lol. With your input I feel good about the soil. This thread has me covered on the process(I hope). I will need to sit down and write out a calender/schedule to keep everything flowing. But unless I am missing something I dont see why this shouldn't give me some heavy plants assuming I keep temp and rh in check
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Xsan said:
Excellent info, thank you! I have watched the em-1 expansion videos and think I have a decent grasp on that part.

I think I've figured out the design of the sip. Not quite sure about volumes in the container(water 6 gal vermiculite 2 gal, soill20 gal) but will find out when I build one but I will find out when I fill it lol. With your input I feel good about the soil. This thread has me covered on the process(I hope). I will need to sit down and write out a calender/schedule to keep everything flowing. But unless I am missing something I dont see why this shouldn't give me some heavy plants assuming I keep temp and rh in check
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I definitely keep a journal of all my projects. To document the process, but mainly because I’m forgetful. I think you will be very pleased with the outcome. This is my first run of this method and I have never seen healthier plants with the least amount of work. Don’t think you will need the CalMag in the reservoir just the em1. Oh and get yourself some mosquito dunks/chunks and yellow stickies cause you are most likely going to have a fungus gnat issue. Good luck and keep us updated.
 
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Xsan

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Skeeter dunks are fantastic, used them on my last two grows. Will definitely setup a journal once I'm up and running
 
MustangStudFarm

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CrunchBerries said:
I would say yes for selfish reasons, as that is the next thing I’m going to take a look at doing.
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Sorry, I was having health problems and I forgot to take pics. If you need help, I'll try my best to help. Are you going to do Bokashi or Grokashi? Grokashi is Alan Adkisson's recipe and it's just a more complicated bokashi recipe. Grokashi has a higher startup cost, but buying bags of Grokashi is pricy also. They don't keep the recipe a secret either:
Dry Ingredient List:

  • Red Wheat 5 gallon
  • Azomite 1 cup
  • Sea+Real Salt 1 TBSP
Liquid Fermentation Ingredient List (plus 1/5 teaspoon EM Super Cera)

  • Water 2.5 Gallons (spring water or other non chlorinated, cloromine free water)
  • Black Strap Mollasses 2.5 Oz
  • Organic Beet Root Juice 2.5 Oz
  • Youngevity btt 2.0 organic 2.5 Oz (dry, but mix with your water)
  • EM-1 Microbial Innoculant 2.5 Oz
 
CrunchBerries

CrunchBerries

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MustangStudFarm said:
Sorry, I was having health problems and I forgot to take pics. If you need help, I'll try my best to help. Are you going to do Bokashi or Grokashi? Grokashi is Alan Adkisson's recipe and it's just a more complicated bokashi recipe. Grokashi has a higher startup cost, but buying bags of Grokashi is pricy also. They don't keep the recipe a secret either:
Dry Ingredient List:

  • Red Wheat 5 gallon
  • Azomite 1 cup
  • Sea+Real Salt 1 TBSP
Liquid Fermentation Ingredient List (plus 1/5 teaspoon EM Super Cera)

  • Water 2.5 Gallons (spring water or other non chlorinated, cloromine free water)
  • Black Strap Mollasses 2.5 Oz
  • Organic Beet Root Juice 2.5 Oz
  • Youngevity btt 2.0 organic 2.5 Oz (dry, but mix with your water)
  • EM-1 Microbial Innoculant 2.5 Oz
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Thank you. Sorry to hear of your health issues. Take care man!
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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CrunchBerries said:
I read it on this thread... I think.
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I really don't know. However, I was replanting in my homemade SIPs and I found a LOT of worms. We were under the impression that worms didn't like SIPs, but I found a healthy population in mine. I think that it's just trial and error because this is not exactly a proven tech yet. Yeah, the health problem was a male UTI, which is in the testicles lol. Yes, I had infected balls lol...
 
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