Growing cannabis supply glut means ‘investors should be bracing for impact’

TheRealDman

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LMAO! :D

Canada’s cannabis producers are harvesting enough pot to satisfy 81 per cent of the total demand projected by Health Canada. The problem is, legal sales in June amounted to just 14 per cent of demand by volume, according to new data from industry researchers TheCannalysts.

Analyst Craig Wiggins warns the disconnect between cannabis being harvested by licenced producers and their actual share of the market is a looming problem for investors and the industry alike.

“Are we going to get to 81 per cent displacement of the illicit market? Because that’s what we are producing now. By the end of October, we should be at 100 percent, which is scary,” Wiggins told Yahoo Finance Canada. “Investors should be bracing for impact.”

He divided Health Canada’s reported sales figures by the agency’s projected overall demand for cannabis (including black market) — 11,171 kilogram-equivalents sold through legal medical and recreational channels in June, versus the market consumption of 77,167 kilograms per month. The answer: 14 per cent market penetration of the black market. Meanwhile, the amount of legal cannabis harvested per month tops 62,671 kilograms and is increasing rapidly.

“Every couch cushion in Smiths Falls must have some weed under it,” Wiggins said, referring to the small Ontario town where cannabis giant Canopy Growth Corp. (WEED.TO)(CGC) has its main facility. “The industry keeps adding more and more production capacity. It’s going to get way worse.”

Canopy Growth reported total sales of 10,549 kilograms equivalents in its most recent quarter, versus 40,960 harvested. Aurora Cannabis Inc. (ACB.TO)(ACB) sold 17,793, and produced 29,034. Tilray Inc. (TLRY) sold 5,588, and produced 11,474.

Anticipated demand from new retail stores and stockpiling inventory ahead of the Canadian release of so-called cannabis 2.0 products (edibles, drinks, vapes and topicals) are the often-cited reasons for rising supply. Wiggins isn’t convinced either will absorb the growing glut of cannabis sitting in company vaults.

“What the data is telling us is 2.0 and more stores aren’t going to solve the problem for the industry on the whole,” he said.

“Forty to 50 per cent of any mature cannabis market is still flower. If you’re not a good flower right now, what makes you think 2.0 is going to save you. That’s only half of your business, if you’re lucky. Granted the margins should be better. But these are companies that weren’t very good at putting dope in a baggie going into advanced manufacturing. It ain’t going to be easy.”

Wiggins expects Health Canada will need to have an action plan in place to deal with bankrupt companies as the industry swings from a cannabis shortage to an oversupply situation that renders lower-grade product held in vaults worthless and pushes down overall prices.

“Think how many companies went out there and built their business model on selling 50,000 kilograms a year at $5 per gram. Then there is a huge glut of supply and they are going to actually sell 25,000 kilograms at $3 per gram,” he said. “That’s part of the iceberg under the water.”

He also notes sales reported by licenced producers are dramatically outpacing actual retail sales as provincial wholesalers ready themselves to stock new stores.

So what happens when licenced producers can no longer rely on large orders based on new store openings, and oversupply weighs on prices?

“Think of it like oil extraction out of the ground. There comes a time when you don’t pump. You leave it in the ground. It might be that companies don’t fully plant their greenhouses,” Wiggins said.

“I’m very bullish on the industry as a whole over a period of time. But in any growth industry, we need to get rid of the losers. Dead weight in any industry makes it very murky. Something has to give.”


https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/growing-cannabis-supply-glut-means-investors-should-be-bracing-for-impact-155339203.html
 

AquaTerra

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“What the data is telling us is 2.0 and more stores aren’t going to solve the problem for the industry on the whole,” he said.
That's the funny part, even if they let loose the store regulations more stores would go under fast as there's not enough people buying. Even if they eradicated the black market 50% more it doesn't mean any significant amount of those buyers would buy legal weed. Personally I like drinking more than smoking weed. I can have two beers get a good buzz and still be legal to drive and have the buzz over in an hour or so. Smoking gets me high for hours.
 

Saboo the Shaman

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Every day heavy users, aka chronics, aka many of us, will NEVER pay per gram prices. That is the reality of the black market. The legal market is attracting new users and people that stopped smoking years ago who will now pick up a couple grams for the weekend.
All us 'dirty hippies' either grow our own or have a grey or black market hookup for a fraction of the cost of legal. Factor in the better quality on the dark side and it tilts the balance even further.

I think the article missed the international market though, when forecasting demand. With legalization starting to spread around the world, Canada's unsellable crap will became some new market's primo headstash.
 

odam2k

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I think the article missed the international market though, when forecasting demand. With legalization starting to spread around the world, Canada's unsellable crap will became some new market's primo headstash.
And it will leave them wondering what all the hype about BC Bud was, cause they will be smoking shit shwag, being told it's premium Canadian Cannabis. and this is the crap that us Canadians don't want, LOL...
 

The Hippy

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Every day heavy users, aka chronics, aka many of us, will NEVER pay per gram prices. That is the reality of the black market. The legal market is attracting new users and people that stopped smoking years ago who will now pick up a couple grams for the weekend.
All us 'dirty hippies' either grow our own or have a grey or black market hookup for a fraction of the cost of legal. Factor in the better quality on the dark side and it tilts the balance even further.

I think the article missed the international market though, when forecasting demand. With legalization starting to spread around the world, Canada's unsellable crap will became some new market's primo headstash.
Well said ....cept the "dirty hippy " part....i'll have you know my once a year bath is only 6 months away.
 

Gquebed

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Here is where the big players eat the small players, who cant turn a profit when price falls.
Its all part of the plan.

Business 101:
New market is created.
1) Businesses rush to supply the market.
2) Big players flood market; supply exceeds demand; price crashes.
3) Big players wait.
4) Small players and pretenders fail.
5) Big players eat up their market share.
6) Big players control supply to fix prices and monopolize the market.
7) Economy of scale prevent new players from entering the market to bring down prices.

Works every time.

Canopy and Aurora will be the only two players left in about 2 years.
 

Saboo the Shaman

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Here is where the big players eat the small players, who cant turn a profit when price falls.
Its all part of the plan.

Business 101:
New market is created.
1) Businesses rush to supply the market.
2) Big players flood market; supply exceeds demand; price crashes.
3) Big players wait.
4) Small players and pretenders fail.
5) Big players eat up their market share.
6) Big players control supply to fix prices and monopolize the market.
7) Economy of scale prevent new players from entering the market to bring down prices.

Works every time.

Canopy and Aurora will be the only two players left in about 2 years.
^^Generally very true.^^

The significant difference here is that unlike most marketplaces, there is an entrenched underground market that also operates under a completely different retail business model (small quantity/big markup vs large quantity/small markup) and has a fraction of the associated costs.

Given the grey/black market, as well as the issues that arise from various laws and regulations still catching up to legalization (banking industry for example), I don't think this is going to be quite as textbook as you laid out. It will be interesting to watch though.
Fortunately, it's all academic to me, as my supply is already assured. ;)
 

gb123

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^^Generally very true.^^

The significant difference here is that unlike most marketplaces, there is an entrenched underground market that also operates under a completely different retail business model (small quantity/big markup vs large quantity/small markup) and has a fraction of the associated costs.

Given the grey/black market, as well as the issues that arise from various laws and regulations still catching up to legalization (banking industry for example), I don't think this is going to be quite as textbook as you laid out. It will be interesting to watch though.
Fortunately, it's all academic to me, as my supply is already assured. ;)
They'll never grasp what yer yappin about..
Not that it matters .... so far it's played out just fine and getting finer by the day8-):hump::idea::weed:
 

Gquebed

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^^Generally very true.^^

The significant difference here is that unlike most marketplaces, there is an entrenched underground market that also operates under a completely different retail business model (small quantity/big markup vs large quantity/small markup) and has a fraction of the associated costs.

Given the grey/black market, as well as the issues that arise from various laws and regulations still catching up to legalization (banking industry for example), I don't think this is going to be quite as textbook as you laid out. It will be interesting to watch though.
Fortunately, it's all academic to me, as my supply is already assured. ;)
Doesn't matter. Same model applies. Because there is no other. Supply and demand. Booze went through the very same thing. Eventually, the booze makers lobbied governments to crack down on hard on the BM, citing that they paid taxes, huge capital costs, licensing fees and had to comply with a shit load of regs, while they were undercut by the BM.
The same thing will happen here. Just you wait. When big money wants big money gets and the day is coming when BM dealers will start facing huge prison time.

Its not like any of this is new.
 

Oldschooldude

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seeds are the new pirate flag of rebellion to the corporate greed and yeah they will want to choke the seed connections too. Thanks to this site and others I've darn near 7 months worth stashed or drying atm so glad not to pay dispensaries for it BUT I would pay the farmer gladly. Being forced into a dispensary model messes it up for a big chunk of local/regional growers instead of farmer markets that had cannabis as well as corn. The model creates inherent economic disadvantages that hurts or destroys local Ag. families, that's crazy. anyhow. got some Skywalker white widow cued up, cheers
 

The Hippy

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Doesn't matter. Same model applies. Because there is no other. Supply and demand. Booze went through the very same thing. Eventually, the booze makers lobbied governments to crack down on hard on the BM, citing that they paid taxes, huge capital costs, licensing fees and had to comply with a shit load of regs, while they were undercut by the BM.
The same thing will happen here. Just you wait. When big money wants big money gets and the day is coming when BM dealers will start facing huge prison time.

Its not like any of this is new.
Sorry but nope to any of that. Would be harder to catch them now. Too much mudding of the waters now.
Trading ...gifting...imo...good luck
 

Gquebed

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Sorry but nope to any of that. Would be harder to catch them now. Too much mudding of the waters now.
Trading ...gifting...imo...good luck
The LPs are already lobbying gov via the media. So you know thats going on behind closed doors too.

As for muddied waters.... nothing muddy about selling weed without a license. Nothing at all.

Wait and watch.

Again. Nothing new here. Its all happened before with booze.
 

The Hippy

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The LPs are already lobbying gov via the media. So you know thats going on behind closed doors too.

As for muddied waters.... nothing muddy about selling weed without a license. Nothing at all.

Wait and watch.

Again. Nothing new here. Its all happened before with booze.
Respect to your view and yes agree somewhat. But imo the weed culture is not really the same as prohibition for booze was. Far too many reasons to offer why it isn't but I see it different.
I honestly see the BM getting stronger not weaker right now. More cannabis products for sale than ever before in my life so far.
Slowing down it isn't.
The Lp's can wine all they want. Does nothing.
 

Saboo the Shaman

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Doesn't matter. Same model applies. Because there is no other. Supply and demand. Booze went through the very same thing. Eventually, the booze makers lobbied governments to crack down on hard on the BM, citing that they paid taxes, huge capital costs, licensing fees and had to comply with a shit load of regs, while they were undercut by the BM.
The same thing will happen here. Just you wait. When big money wants big money gets and the day is coming when BM dealers will start facing huge prison time.

Its not like any of this is new.
With some grey market seed dealers and MOM's charging and presumably submitting taxes on sales, they will be tougher to root out than moonshiners. Some of these inbetweeners are pretty sharp and they're playing the game well. With each MOM requiring its own investigation and trial to be shut down, the flexible nature of online sales, and the hassle of stopping and opening Canada Post mail, the battle is only beginning. :mrgreen:

Edit: For the people mentioning how the gov't will control seeds, too late. With the law already allowing medical growers to share their seeds, any seeds in a person's possession can be explained as a gift. Due to privacy laws around medical records, compelling a person to reveal their legal source(med user) can't be legally done, afaik

Thanks for the exchange, I enjoy a civil conversation. Cheers.
 
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