Growth potential

I'm about 4 weeks into flower using fox farms nutes at about half to quater strength. Looking good so far but should I continue as I am or back off some of the nutes before it's time to do my flushing near the end. And how often should I be including my molasses in the feed? I try to give the plants molasses between feeds. Just RO and molasses. I was just thinking of giving Bloom and Micro towards the last 8 weeks.

Choo2 said:

I'm about 4 weeks into flower using fox farms nutes at about half to quater strength. Looking good so far but should I continue as I am or back off some of the nutes before it's time to do my flushing near the end. And how often should I be including my molasses in the feed? I try to give the plants molasses between feeds. Just RO and molasses. I was just thinking of giving Bloom and Micro towards the last 8 weeks.

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You don't need to flush and do you know what the molasses actually does? Just feed the plant with balanced nutes. Plain water at the end if you're in soil.

xtsho said:

You don't need to flush and do you know what the molasses actually does? Just feed the plant with balanced nutes. Plain water at the end if you're in soil.

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Ok so keep feeding full nutes till the end.. until its flush time?

Choo2 said:

Ok so keep feeding full nutes till the end.. until its flush time?

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Full nutes is a pretty broad description. You even say you're using "about half to quarter strength". So what is "full nutes" in this scenario? I can't say. But a moderate amount of a balanced nutrient is what you want and plain water at the end. It's not complicated and there is no need to flush.

Pics will explain much.

Budzbuddha said:

Pics will explain much.

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Ok I will send pics

xtsho said:

You don't need to flush and do you know what the molasses actually does? Just feed the plant with balanced nutes. Plain water at the end if you're in soil.

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What does molasses do for plants? And how often should it be used?

What does molasses do for plants? And how often should it be used?

molasses doesn't do a damn thing for plants. a lot of people use beneficial microbes in their organic soil, and the molasses is to feed them. people will tell you it imparts a flavor...i guess it might, but i've never been able to tell.
some people will tell you the plant uses the sugar and carbs...they do not. they manufacture their own sugars and carbs...that's what photosynthesis does. so, if you're not running beneficial microbes in an organic set up, all molasses does is give NON-benefical microbes something to eat....

i feed 100 ppm of calcium nitrate and 200 ppm of Jack's 5-11-26 in veg. when i flip to flower, i keep the ratio the same till the plant actually starts to produce buds, and raise it up to 600 ppm total, so 200 ppm cal-nit, and 400 ppm jacks, till the plant actually starts to form buds, then i stay around 600 ppm (unless the plant seems particularly hungry) but drop back to 100 ppm cal-nit., and go to 500 ppm Jacks. so basically 30% cal-nit. till flower actually starts, then 15% cal-nit.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

molasses doesn't do a damn thing for plants. a lot of people use beneficial microbes in their organic soil, and the molasses is to feed them. people will tell you it imparts a flavor...i guess it might, but i've never been able to tell.
some people will tell you the plant uses the sugar and carbs...they do not. they manufacture their own sugars and carbs...that's what photosynthesis does. so, if you're not running beneficial microbes in an organic set up, all molasses does is give NON-benefical microbes something to eat....

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Agreed. Too many myths when it comes to molasses or any type of sugars added.

However I will state that black strap does contain a decent amount of iron and potassium. Someone should never use a lot of it either. I give it to my plants weekly or bi weekly depending on the amount of rain we get.
Weekly is only 1 tsp and biweekly is a TBS per gallon of water. I use it for both feeding my micros and for iron along with the K.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i feed 100 ppm of calcium nitrate and 200 ppm of Jack's 5-11-26 in veg. when i flip to flower, i keep the ratio the same till the plant actually starts to produce buds, and raise it up to 600 ppm total, so 200 ppm cal-nit, and 400 ppm jacks, till the plant actually starts to form buds, then i stay around 600 ppm (unless the plant seems particularly hungry) but drop back to 100 ppm cal-nit., and go to 500 ppm Jacks. so basically 30% cal-nit. till flower actually starts, then 15% cal-nit.

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What are jacks

Roger A. Shrubber said:

molasses doesn't do a damn thing for plants. a lot of people use beneficial microbes in their organic soil, and the molasses is to feed them. people will tell you it imparts a flavor...i guess it might, but i've never been able to tell.
some people will tell you the plant uses the sugar and carbs...they do not. they manufacture their own sugars and carbs...that's what photosynthesis does. so, if you're not running beneficial microbes in an organic set up, all molasses does is give NON-benefical microbes something to eat....

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So I should not worry about using molasses in my grows

Choo2 said:

So I should not worry about using molasses in my grows

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I would still use it yes. It's just not as beneficial as if you were organic.

Choo2 said:

What are jacks

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https://www.greenhousemegastore.com/supplies/fertilizer/peters-5-11-26-hydroponic-special-fertilizer-25-bag

J.R. Peter's fertilizers, better known to potheads everywhere as Jack's...they have a huge assortment of formulations, for amateurs and professionals, for soil, coco, hydroponics....
the only advice i'll give is buy the big bag and put some in a smaller container, seal the bag up good till you need more.
if you buy the smaller containers, people will screw you. they'll buy the cheapest shit they can, repackage it, and sell it to you. just had this happen, so i bought the 25 lb bag. the plants IMMEDIATELY responded to it, very positively....

ganga gurl420 said:

I would still use it yes. It's just not as beneficial as if you were organic.

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When u say organic...what is organic growing? I thought I was organic. I use fox farm soil and nutes

organic growers "cook" their own soil, they get good quality soil, then add amendments to it like bone meal, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, worm castings, and let it compost. they don't want to use synthetic nutes. they do end up having to top dress in flower, almost universally, though. if you make the soil hot enough to go all the way through flower, it'll fry small plants.

Choo2 said:

When u say organic...what is organic growing? I thought I was organic. I use fox farm soil and nutes

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My bad I missed that part. Tho not all of their products are organic but most are. If you are organic then yes definitely use the molasses. I use it right up to the end.
I amend my soil with dry nutes so they are getting food right up to the day of chop. You dont have to flush organic soil.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

organic growers "cook" their own soil, they get good quality soil, then add amendments to it like bone meal, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, worm castings, and let it compost. they don't want to use synthetic nutes. they do end up having to top dress in flower, almost universally, though. if you make the soil hot enough to go all the way through flower, it'll fry small plants.

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Lol this is exactly why I use things like happy frog and bio tone. Premixed and has all of the beneficial bacteria and fungus in it. If one follows the directions its impossible to burn the plants. I see more people mixing way to much into their soils of one ingredient or another and it always turns out badly.
Pretty no nonsense

Roger A. Shrubber said:

organic growers "cook" their own soil, they get good quality soil, then add amendments to it like bone meal, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, worm castings, and let it compost. they don't want to use synthetic nutes. they do end up having to top dress in flower, almost universally, though. if you make the soil hot enough to go all the way through flower, it'll fry small plants.

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So I’m confused. If i were to have abase soil and amended that soil. With worm castings blood meal kelp meal alfalfa meal epson salt. Is this good just for vegetative growth or this will run all the way through the flower cycle ? And only need to emend soil once and water the rest of the cycle with straight water. ?