Help pls(overwatering,underwatering,nute toxicity???)

I dont know what is happening, 1 of the seedlings is starting to get the claw, or it seems, the other is growing shitty and the last one is showing weird leaf grow.

Can some1 diagnose this for me please? All i can associate with this is either im over or underwatering or because i gave wrong dosages of katana roots by accident they might have nitrogen toxicity.

I will try to upload progress day by day on each plant in order, 1 is 9 days old now, other is 8 days, other is 3 days. They are auto pineapple glue, blackberry auto and gorilla glue auto, respectively.

Thanks for any help in advance.
Rly open to suggestions as to what is happening and actions i should take to fix this.

The first post is the APG
This one is the blackberry auto, this one has issues since first day, leaves grow weirdly, all with malformations and it started yellowing a bit recently, but after watering last time seems to have improved a bit, sorry they are not in order.

This one is the gorilla glue auto, growing leaves with a weird shape and color at all the tips of leaves texture.

Yomamanotsomad said:

This one is the gorilla glue auto, growing leaves with a weird shape and color at all the tips of leaves texture.
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You're panicking way too early. They will always look a little odd when they first poke their head out of the soil. At this point they are using the energy stored in the shell to get them going. They will also appear to stop growing in a few days. At that time they are establishing a strong root structure, and is using pretty much all their energy for that. That can last a few days to a week. Just water with plain water, and don't obsess over them. Best to leave them alone for now. Too much interaction and jostling can increase the chance of the plants being stressed and slow their growth down.

How big are the containers they're in? You want to use small starter shells, going from 1" x 1", to 2" x 2", and keep moving up as the plant grows bigger. Too large of containers will have negative effects on their ability to access the moisture they need.

Too wet

JSB99 said:

How big are the containers they're in? You want to use small starter shells, going from 1" x 1", to 2" x 2", and keep moving up as the plant grows bigger. Too large of containers will have negative effects on their ability to access the moisture they need.

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xtsho said:

Too wet

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Thanks, the containers are 5liters, about 10cm wide 4 inch i guess, and they are round the soil i used is almost like mud, too late to change that now, but when i get the xhance i will get just regular farming soil from my farm, i had this soil cooking for 3 months with about 20 banana peels, they got reduced to dirt, but it became more like clay in texture, i ammended with tree leftovers of using a chainsaw.
so it just holds water too well, should i let them stay 1 extra day before waterings? I have been giving water 1 day and giving 1 day of no water, and even like this the soil looks like it gets too dry, but it gets compacted togheter like soft cookies almost.

Yomamanotsomad said:

Thanks, the containers are 5liters, about 10cm wide 4 inch i guess, and they are round the soil i used is almost like mud, too late to change that now, but when i get the xhance i will get just regular farming soil from my farm, i had this soil cooking for 3 months with about 20 banana peels, they got reduced to dirt, but it became more like clay in texture, i ammended with tree leftovers of using a chainsaw.
so it just holds water too well, should i let them stay 1 extra day before waterings? I have been giving water 1 day and giving 1 day of no water, and even like this the soil looks like it gets too dry, but it gets compacted togheter like soft cookies almost.

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That's not the best soil to use. You need some organic material to keep it from compacting. Perlite, rice hulls, etc... Heck even some shredded straw would work. But you need something

xtsho said:

That's not the best soil to use. You need some organic material to keep it from compacting. Perlite, rice hulls, etc... Heck even some shredded straw would work. But you need something

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Thank you, i was looking for perlite but couldnt get any so i took a log used the chainsaw and used the tiny bits almost like powder to losen it up, turns out i could had just used staw... i have loads of straw in my farm, thanks mate, im gonna use it and germinate my purple lemonade, thanks

Despite having a farm i got it from my parents, i never worked in one for more than a few hours, or just watching out for them. So i don't know a lot about farming but im enthusiatic about learning this sort of stuff

Yomamanotsomad said:

Thanks, the containers are 5liters, about 10cm wide 4 inch i guess, and they are round the soil i used is almost like mud, too late to change that now, but when i get the xhance i will get just regular farming soil from my farm, i had this soil cooking for 3 months with about 20 banana peels, they got reduced to dirt, but it became more like clay in texture, i ammended with tree leftovers of using a chainsaw.
so it just holds water too well, should i let them stay 1 extra day before waterings? I have been giving water 1 day and giving 1 day of no water, and even like this the soil looks like it gets too dry, but it gets compacted togheter like soft cookies almost.

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As a new grower, you should use well known brands, like General Hydroponics, FoxFarms, Aurora, etc...instead of trying to brew your own. That goes for both soil and nutrients.

Stay away from Miracle Grow

Yomamanotsomad said:

Thank you, i was looking for perlite but couldnt get any so i took a log used the chainsaw and used the tiny bits almost like powder to losen it up, turns out i could had just used staw... i have loads of straw in my farm, thanks mate, im gonna use it and germinate my purple lemonade, thanks

Despite having a farm i got it from my parents, i never worked in one for more than a few hours, or just watching out for them. So i don't know a lot about farming but im enthusiatic about learning this sort of stuff

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you can get perlite (and everything else for a grow room) on Amazon. That's where I got my stuff.

Like JSB99 said, don't panic. I wish I had taken more pictures of my seedlings. I didn't because I honestly thought I would be tossing them in the trash. They were just horrible looking; twisted, brown, stunted. At three weeks old they were about as tall as a credit card. I'm in week 4 of flower now, and they are frigging huge. They started taking off about week four. To be honest @ Yomamanotsomad, yours look a lot healthier than mine did at the same time.

It's WAY too early to start tripping over your plant dude.

Set back, don't give it more because that might be better ( it isn't).
BE PATIENT!

If you can grow an African Violet and get it to bloom. You won't stress over cannabis at all...

Less water. And don’t water so close to the stem you are asking for dampening off. Take a cup and cover plant and water, the water will be AROUND the plant. Stop using nutrients just use plain water. Put a long bamboo squwer deep in the dirt. You can pull it out once a while to check on the soil moisture

JSB99 said:

As a new grower, you should use well known brands, like General Hydroponics, FoxFarms, Aurora, etc...instead of trying to brew your own. That goes for both soil and nutrients.

Stay away from Miracle Grow

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Thanks, unfortunatly my budget is limited to sun, bedside lamps, a grow tent, katana roots(that was sitting here for ages, a 600w hps that will bring the 80cmx80cm(2.7x2.7) tent to a boil so its unusable, a bucket and my feet to go grab my soil from the farm into my house, i have a greenbuzz started pack coming wich was unexpensive but everything i can cut costs on i will do it, expecially since corona took my job. Sooo preeeetty limited hehe, trying to manage with little.

jerry-joe said:

Like JSB99 said, don't panic. I wish I had taken more pictures of my seedlings. I didn't because I honestly thought I would be tossing them in the trash. They were just horrible looking; twisted, brown, stunted. At three weeks old they were about as tall as a credit card. I'm in week 4 of flower now, and they are frigging huge. They started taking off about week four. To be honest @ Yomamanotsomad, yours look a lot healthier than mine did at the same time.

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Thanks i am more confident now, i hope i can get even some flower, if i get some i will be thanking the gods, ur answer made me feel like i have been worrying to much and they probably will do just fine, like those types of weed that we dont want to grow but they still grow just to make us have to work out before planting the tomatoes and potatoes.

Dr. Who said:

It's WAY too early to start tripping over your plant dude.

Set back, don't give it more because that might be better ( it isn't).
BE PATIENT!

If you can grow an African Violet and get it to bloom. You won't stress over cannabis at all...

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Well im gonna set back and let them do their thing, i have been watching every 15 minutes but its mostly because of this coronavirus, got nothing else to do, so i just worry too much, time for some movie marathons.

SnidleyBluntash said:

Less water. And don’t water so close to the stem you are asking for dampening off. Take a cup and cover plant and water, the water will be AROUND the plant. Stop using nutrients just use plain water. Put a long bamboo squwer deep in the dirt. You can pull it out once a while to check on the soil moisture

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Thanks i will do the cup, will she like having less water on the root? I thought they needed oxigen of the water on the root, but i dont know much and i remeber 2 years ago reading on watering techniques and reading a lot about watering around and not over the root, and that bamboo thing, pretty smart, i was just poking my finger in the soil and covering the hole back up again and worrying i might hit some roots, that way they will grow around the bamboo so i wont damage them at any time and will always have a spot to check for moisture.
Btw less water you mean less water per watering or less often? I will do less often already, u think i should give less water when i give it to them? Thanks again for your help.

You have to figure a watering schedual that fits your exact situation, every situation is different. With that much soil it can stay wet for too long and cause problem. But also if you don’t water it enough you can create dry spots in the soil that will never absorb water.

I would water around the cup, and also around the very edge of the dirt where it meets the container. Leaving a dryer section in between. That should create the best conditions of humidity where the roots will be. Also consider bottom watering once and a while.

SnidleyBluntash said:

You have to figure a watering schedual that fits your exact situation, every situation is different. With that much soil it can stay wet for too long and cause problem. But also if you don’t water it enough you can create dry spots in the soil that will never absorb water.

I would water around the cup, and also around the very edge of the dirt where it meets the container. Leaving a dryer section in between. That should create the best conditions of humidity where the roots will be. Also consider bottom watering once and a while.

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Thank you, i think the problem is being the soil staying wet at the bottom but dry at the top, but i put them outdoors sometimes when its sunny and it looks like it dries in a day, at least by weight so having a schedule is being hard to do, i belive the sun is the best spectrum but its still too cold during the night outdoors, so when the sub sets i move them indoors, or just leave them indoors when there is not enough sun to compensate the cold. The auto pineapple glue seems to be reacting badly the most out of them all to this random schedule.
Besides the soil holding a lot of water it also lets water flow thru very well, but if i soak it with too muh water at once it becomes mud, so i water almost like drop by drop, i use a 1,5l bottle but with the cap on, so only drops go out as if raining, if i put a cup and water it tho, its hard to do it like you say because the soil will absorb and spread the water, so there will be no dry spots.

Would u take a look at my grow diary and advise me again please? I have more detailed information there. You can do that by clicking here
Growdiaries of this newbie
Thank you again for your help.

I decided just to be safe because ithe auto pineapple glue was getting the claw, to flush them slowly, and now i will give them some time to fully dry, but it seems as if they usually are already dry when i water, by weight, by touch and deep in the soil too.
I think i might have the worst possible soil, well not the worst but really bad.