Hermies!

Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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There is a strong line of investigation that possibly genes carried on the autosomes (the chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes) modify the normal sexual expression. This would mean that independent genes are responsible for the so called hermie trait other than the sexual genetics of the xy chromosomes.

When breeders and growers talk about hermie traits i believe it is not so much something you can breed out totally and hence why it is so prevalent in most strains, i believe that it is something not influenced by the sexual genetics and hormones but by a totally independent system of proteins that decide weather you get a few male flowers on your other wise completely female bud.

To say the word hermie gives no comprehension to the expression that most see, its false, untrue, unknown and for the large part all those that bang on about their plant being hermie are more than likely WRONG and it has nothing to do with some hermie trait or bad genetics.

So few seem to understand, care or bother with marijuana genetics that it seems that myths are made and simple answers credited when there are real studies ongoing and actual people trying to get to the bottom of the mystery.

Any one with a simple answer or who want to blame breeders needs to do a little reading because its crap like that that gives most strains a bad name.

I wrote this in response to the noobie version that seems to constantly be doing the rounds on riu, there are answers if you actually bother to look!
 
MoodyShoes

MoodyShoes

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Kingrow1 said:
There is a strong line of investigation that possibly genes carried on the autosomes (the chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes) modify the normal sexual expression. This would mean that independent genes are responsible for the so called hermie trait other than the sexual genetics of the xy chromosomes.

When breeders and growers talk about hermie traits i believe it is not so much something you can breed out totally and hence why it is so prevalent in most strains, i believe that it is something not influenced by the sexual genetics and hormones but by a totally independent system of proteins that decide weather you get a few male flowers on your other wise completely female bud.

To say the word hermie gives no comprehension to the expression that most see, its false, untrue, unknown and for the large part all those that bang on about their plant being hermie are more than likely WRONG and it has nothing to do with some hermie trait or bad genetics.

So few seem to understand, care or bother with marijuana genetics that it seems that myths are made and simple answers credited when there are real studies ongoing and actual people trying to get to the bottom of the mystery.

Any one with a simple answer or who want to blame breeders needs to do a little reading because its crap like that that gives most strains a bad name.

I wrote this in response to the noobie version that seems to constantly be doing the rounds on riu, there are answers if you actually bother to look!
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So you're saying that seeing a few nanners does not necessarily mean the plant, (and as a result, the breeders) should be classed as likely to hermie?

I'm not criticising what you are saying i'm just trying to get to the bottom line.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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MoodyShoes said:
So you're saying that seeing a few nanners does not necessarily mean the plant, (and as a result, the breeders) should be classed as likely to hermie?

I'm not criticising what you are saying i'm just trying to get to the bottom line.
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This is the important bit taken from certain papers on the subject -

Genes carried on the autosomes (the chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes) modify the normal sexual expression.

It says that a female plant can be influenced by other genes (proteins) to cause male flowers on a female bud and that it is nothing to do with the sexual genetics so therefore cannot be considered a hermie.
 
MoodyShoes

MoodyShoes

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Kingrow1 said:
This is the important bit taken from certain papers on the subject -

Genes carried on the autosomes (the chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes) modify the normal sexual expression.

It says that a female plant can be influenced by other genes (proteins) to cause male flowers on a female bud and that it is nothing to do with the sexual genetics so therefore cannot be considered a hermie.
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That makes sense to me. I had a plant on my last crop that showed a few male bits, nanners etc, and it was absolutely fine. Having read a few posts online i was worried it was a 'hermie' but having left it to do it's thing i now know it wasn't.

It's the unfortunate thing about cannabis cultivation....there's a lot of misinformation out there.....a hell of a lot.

Slightly off topic, but i had bud rot appear on my last crop also, and every thread online i read said "PULL THEM NOW OR THEY'LL ALL DIE" etc etc. Luckily i didn't, and simply removed the affected area and increased airflow and lowered humidity. The rest of the crop was absolutely fine.

I've always been of the opinion that if you don't actually know the answer, and have no direct experience....it's best to keep quiet. It's a shame a large percentage of people on the internet don't share the same opinion.

Anyway, thanks for the informative post.
 
Cobnobuler

Cobnobuler

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MoodyShoes said:
I've always been of the opinion that if you don't actually know the answer, and have no direct experience....it's best to keep quiet. It's a shame a large percentage of people on the internet don't share the same opinion.
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You gotta be careful here. There are some really good guys that have years under their belts and their a wealth of good information.
But, lately theres people on here that barely have a grow in and now they're out here giving advice all over the place.
You kinda have to be around awhile to figure it out.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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MoodyShoes said:
That makes sense to me. I had a plant on my last crop that showed a few male bits, nanners etc, and it was absolutely fine. Having read a few posts online i was worried it was a 'hermie' but having left it to do it's thing i now know it wasn't.


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Thats the point, your gona get a few male flowers especially when starting out, as you found its no big deal, it will go away in time and youll find strains you like and dont.

I have next to zero experience with bud rot, treat the source - cure the problem.
 
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growone

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interesting topic, interested because i do dabble with a line of 'hermie' genetics which unfortunately has other good traits
not being sex linked, ok, i can see that's possible
still, the result is kind of the same, male stuff where you don't want them
now a guide to using this info to reduce hermie traits, that would be something good
 
PoodleBud

PoodleBud

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Cobnobuler said:
You gotta be careful here. There are some really good guys that have years under their belts and their a wealth of good information.
But, lately theres people on here that barely have a grow in and now they're out here giving advice all over the place.
You kinda have to be around awhile to figure it out.
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The difficulty lies in recognizing one from the other. Having thousands of posts and being a well-known member doesn't guarantee you are an expert, nor does being a new member with few posts mean you have no experience. And you're right - you kind of have to be on the site (or any forum site for that matter) and read a lot of posts, to sort out who really knows their stuff.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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growone said:
interesting topic, interested because i do dabble with a line of 'hermie' genetics which unfortunately has other good traits
not being sex linked, ok, i can see that's possible
still, the result is kind of the same, male stuff where you don't want them
now a guide to using this info to reduce hermie traits, that would be something good
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Dude these are just theories and not mine, theres a few floating about. If we knew what genetics were causing them it wouldnt be hard to breed pure fem strains with an 8 to 10 week nanna free flowering guarantee.
 
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growone

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Kingrow1 said:
Dude these are just theories and not mine, theres a few floating about. If we knew what genetics were causing them it wouldnt be hard to breed pure fem strains with an 8 to 10 week nanna free flowering guarantee.
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absolutely hermie free? no, that's quite unlikely without some major genetic magic
that is a fundamental truth about cannabis, intersex will be present to some extent
maybe possible, but no one has seen a hermie free population in studies
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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PoodleBud said:
The difficulty lies in recognizing one from the other. Having thousands of posts and being a well-known member doesn't guarantee you are an expert, nor does being a new member with few posts mean you have no experience. And you're right - you kind of have to be on the site (or any forum site for that matter) and read a lot of posts, to sort out who really knows their stuff.
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Im not here to alienate anyone, my comments are generalizations. No where am i saying im right but that theres more to the subject than blaming bad genetics, bad breeders, bad seed companies and hermies. Maybe some might think again on the subject.
 
PoodleBud

PoodleBud

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Kingrow1 said:
Im not here to alienate anyone, my comments are generalizations. No where am i saying im right but that theres more to the subject than blaming bad genetics, bad breeders, bad seed companies and hermies. Maybe some might think again on the subject.
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No worries - I was agreeing with you :) Didn't think you were trying to alienate anyone.
 
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