Hillary Clinton Goes Big On Gun Policy, Creates Contrast With Bernie Sanders

i knowwwwww..half a world apart<sigh>..

did you know bernie *likes* guns and believes in the 2nd?

If nothing else, Bernie is an astute and successful politician. He knows how to maintain elected office.
He is Representative of the state of Vermont. The state motto for Vermont is Freedom and Unity.
New Hampshire borders Vermont. NH is a very important stepping stone for Bernie's Presidential aspirations.
NH state motto is Live Free or Die.
NH loves it's guns...Bernie is smart enough to recognize this political reality.
 
Bottom line hillary taking to the gun regulations is smart i am pretty sure people are fed up with these mass shootings its a win win don't kid your self
Yo Blunt maybe they should start in pre school and kindergarden proper safety and use of a fire arm yeah think ??? its in your constitution.. and second amendment so yeah kindergardens should play with loaded guns ...
American gun activists are screwed in the fucking head when two kids are fighting over a toy the best solution is what ???? Take the toy away to begin with plain n simple ..
America has shown irresponsibility, and respect for the gun there fore make it litterally impossible to get you do not give stupids a gun End of story
 
Bottom line hillary taking to the gun regulations is smart i am pretty sure people are fed up with these mass shootings its a win win don't kid your self
Yo Blunt maybe they should start in pre school and kindergarden proper safety and use of a fire arm yeah think ??? its in your constitution.. and second amendment so yeah kindergardens should play with loaded guns ...
American gun activists are screwed in the fucking head when two kids are fighting over a toy the best solution is what ???? Take the toy away to begin with plain n simple ..
America has shown irresponsibility, and respect for the gun there fore make it litterally impossible to get you do not give stupids a gun End of story
So how you gonna get rid of the 700+ million guns already legally owned?
 
simple bring in the army n national guard a order to shoot or destroy any threat there for Martial law and door to door searches there fore no warrants are needed it break down door if you do not comply or kill you which ever comes first

if i was president i would be saying we are at the cross roads and in the middle of 2 amendment and my obligation to protect every US citizen
THere fore a strict gun reg will be implemented, you will be allowed as per 2nd amendment to your right to bare arms Also its my right As president of the united states to implement a safety course inorder for you to own gun

THis is where you can also make a dent see make course 25.000 - 40,000 dollar course only way you will be able to own a gun End of story now the real gun die hards can be die hards and the wanna be's can dream on
 
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If nothing else, Bernie is an astute and successful politician. He knows how to maintain elected office.
He is Representative of the state of Vermont. The state motto for Vermont is Freedom and Unity.
New Hampshire borders Vermont. NH is a very important stepping stone for Bernie's Presidential aspirations.
NH state motto is Live Free or Die.
NH loves it's guns...Bernie is smart enough to recognize this political reality.

bernie has his own guns:wink:
 
She promises to take administrative action on background checks if Congress doesn't act.

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton will call Monday for substantial new limits on the availability and distribution of firearms, stepping aggressively into the debate over gun control in the wake of last week's mass shooting at a community college in Oregon.

The former secretary of state will outline four specific proposals during a pair of town hall events in New Hampshire, all of which are sure to inspire intense opposition from gun rights advocates. One of the proposals will put her directly at odds with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), her top competitor for the Democratic presidential nomination.

At the top of the list is a pledge to take administrative action if Congress fails to tighten the so-called gun show and Internet sales loopholes. Under current law, licensed dealers are required to conduct background checks and certify that potential buyers are not prohibited from owning guns. But unlicensed vendors, including some individual sellers at gun shows, don’t have to go through these steps.

Clinton plans to call for lawmakers to address the issue. But if they don't, she will require that anyone “attempting to sell a significant number of guns be deemed ‘in the business of selling firearms,’” which would “ensure that high-volume gun sellers are covered by the same common sense rules that apply to gun stores -- including requiring background checks on gun sales.” Asked what would constitute “a significant number of guns,” a Clinton aide responded, “There are a number of studies being conducted currently regarding illegal gun sales that could inform an eventual rulemaking.”

Such an administrative action would be a bold step, one bound to spark massive pushback. And it’s not clear how it would legally work. President Barack Obama said at a recent press conference he had exhausted all the tools available to him to strengthen gun control laws. Clinton’s campaign did not elaborate as to what legal avenues it is exploring.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-gun-control_5611d70ae4b0dd85030c6b3b







You wrote all that shit and left out the monetary threat she also plans. The best part,.....You`re a Democrat and this is expected of you. and,...Remember choice of words........


Part two of Hillary`s plan involves the shooting victims, notice .."victims" and not shot. It matters. She wants legislation removed so that lawyers, like herself, can sue manufacturers of guns when ..."Victims" are injured by guns after being sold improperly second and third or however many times. The gun manufacturer will be responsible for knowing the sold gun will be resold properly and secured from theft or however the bad guy get`s the gun .

Injuries include physical, after being hit, and emotional for victims kin, wife, gay partner,...whatever,.. even Wal-Mart women.

Imagine that,.. legislation for gun supporters and $$$$ for voters.

Quite the campaign management skills,....but..?? Not really......................
 
how can the gun manufacturer insure its being sold properly its sold to licensed vendors they should be held responsible its not the guns fault that killed a person its the person that pulled the trigger end of story
but when a gun store does not go to full search of a person buying the gun , to them that sale pays the bills and puts food on the table ..
 
how can the gun manufacturer insure its being sold properly its sold to licensed vendors they should be held responsible its not the guns fault that killed a person its the person that pulled the trigger end of story
but when a gun store does not go to full search of a person buying the gun , to them that sale pays the bills and puts food on the table ..


I guess in Hillary`s lawyer driven mind,...They need to sell to also, pre scanned licensed dealers that reflect the proper resale values or something.

All that`s doable by lawyers or she wont commit,...but, guys like me know better. Nobody sells a loaded gun and the piece is harmless until it`s loaded. Bullets don`t do much without a gun, and,...well, she wants a way to bundle things into ..classifications.

Problem I have is the Constitution of the United States already classified things. I don`t think I want Hillary proof reading and correcting that part of the second without actually infringing. Just redefining words and shit,... like the SCOUTUS does.
 
Clinton trying to snatch loss from the mouth of victory?

Does she think the President can override the 2nd AND the subsequent judgements of the Supreme Court on the matter?

I support gun laws that are effective but don't restrict the rights of law abiding, sane people to own them.

Without googling it can you tell me what the full text of the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights is? And all the historical contexts that it was written in? And why it might perhaps be flawed in our current times and also what Thomas Jefferson said about the Constitution?
 
It`s written to be amended without infrigment of the Right, no matter the firearm,..the classifications are there,...

....Flawed for our times my ass,.....Do you know what Thomas Jefferson said about green houses ??
 
It`s written to be amended without infrigment of the Right, no matter the firearm,..the classifications are there,...

....Flawed for our times my ass,.....Do you know what Thomas Jefferson said about green houses ??

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That 1st part is the most often overlooked and understated part of the 2nd amendment. And the Supreme Court since its earliest decisions on the 2nd Amendment disagree.
 
simple bring in the army n national guard a order to shoot or destroy any threat there for Martial law and door to door searches there fore no warrants are needed it break down door if you do not comply or kill you which ever comes first

if i was president i would be saying we are at the cross roads and in the middle of 2 amendment and my obligation to protect every US citizen
THere fore a strict gun reg will be implemented, you will be allowed as per 2nd amendment to your right to bare arms Also its my right As president of the united states to implement a safety course inorder for you to own gun

THis is where you can also make a dent see make course 25.000 - 40,000 dollar course only way you will be able to own a gun End of story now the real gun die hards can be die hards and the wanna be's can dream on
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Were you Joseph Gobbels in a previous life?

Send round the SS to root out enemies of the Reich?
 
You wrote all that shit and left out the monetary threat she also plans. The best part,.....You`re a Democrat and this is expected of you. and,...Remember choice of words........


Part two of Hillary`s plan involves the shooting victims, notice .."victims" and not shot. It matters. She wants legislation removed so that lawyers, like herself, can sue manufacturers of guns when ..."Victims" are injured by guns after being sold improperly second and third or however many times. The gun manufacturer will be responsible for knowing the sold gun will be resold properly and secured from theft or however the bad guy get`s the gun .

Injuries include physical, after being hit, and emotional for victims kin, wife, gay partner,...whatever,.. even Wal-Mart women.

Imagine that,.. legislation for gun supporters and $$$$ for voters.

Quite the campaign management skills,....but..?? Not really......................

um, just the messenger?:roll:
 
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That 1st part is the most often overlooked and understated part of the 2nd amendment. And the Supreme Court since its earliest decisions on the 2nd Amendment disagree.


The SCOTUS does not add to or alter the US Constitution,....It only determines if a case can be heard and decides if a case is or is not represented by that Constitution.
 
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The SCOTUS does not add to or alter the US Constitution,....It only determines if a case can be heard and decides if a cease is or is not represented by that Constitution.

Sort of, I'm having a little trouble understanding what you're trying to say (sorry). SCOTUS is the final interpreter of the US Constitution, and decides whether or not a case is constitutional (in violation or agreement with the Constitution), and most importantly they get judicial review, where they get to review the actions of the executive and legislative branches. If that's what you were getting at, my bad.

But really, you can't argue that it's "without infrigment of the Right, no matter the firearm," because when it was written they had muzzle loading muskets, and not everyone could actually afford a musket. The Founding Fathers had no idea about machine guns, and I'm willing to bet that if a private citizen owned a cannon, they'd be against that falling under the purview of the 2nd Amendment. The most important thing is that when you look at the debate the US did not have a standing army so many thought militias would be important in protecting the United States (and each individual state). Moreover I highly doubt that they would expect semi-automatic rifles, handguns, etc. etc. etc..

This is actually one of the main reasons why sawed-off shotguns are not covered by the 2nd Amendment and require extensive regulations to get -- that 1st part of the 2nd Amendment. The Supreme Court ruled that a sawed off shotgun has no practical purpose in a militia, thus the effective "ban" on them was Constitutional. In United States v. Miller the court found that "[a] shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument." Which somewhat overturned Presser v. Illinois when they said that the 2nd Amendment was not the right to form militias for a state, but the right of an individual. However in District of Columbia v. Heller they once again asserted that it was a right of the individual.

The 2nd Amendment is a very tricky amendment and has been, historically, up for a lot of debate (even the debate to what the 2nd amendment was going to be had a lot going into it). However the quote that I was referring to in regards to Thomas Jefferson and his memorial is found on the southeast portico and is from a letter he wrote to Samuel Kerchval, "I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
 
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Selecting how much to revel of the entire message is very, very Democratic of you...............

i posted the first half of article with link..sometimes i post one line with link..sometimes i post link only.

the rest is up to you..stop whining.
 
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