Hormones vs Co2 - Hormones Cheaper Potentially Yeild the Same!

I concur !
The only difference these days that there are a bunch more hybrids, crosses, etc that have been cultivated from original land strains back in the 60`s
If you can get your hands on good genetics for Skunk #1 - that is closest to an original as any other. And something we have had for yrs !

- wishes he could get his hands on some skunk#1 and was around in the 60's , but shoot my home state of wa might legalize and regulate herb right out of there liqour stores, i wouldnt buy from them but i would for sure be smoking all the time!

Has anyone tried experimenting with their Auxin to Cytokinin ratios?
For example: Using a high-Auxin/ low-Cytokinin ratio during the first 1-3 weeks of the seedling/cutting stage to promote more root growth, then switching to a high Cytokinin/ low Auxin ratio to promote more foliage... I've just started to look into it a little bit and would like to do some experimenting soon... Here's a little info that I've come across so far:

Auxins are natural plant hormones produced in a plant’s shoot tips and translocate downwards. One of its effects is to signal a plant to increase its root growth.

Cytokinins are natural plant hormones produced in the root tips and translocate upwards. One of its effects is to signal a plant to produce more and larger foliage.

While most plant growth stimulants make use of high Cytokinin levels to temporarily promote top growth, this does little to improve the roots of the crop, often resulting in an unbalanced plant.

Think of the relationship between cytokinin and auxin as an antagonistic one, each growth regulator (hormone, if you prefer) trying to overcome the effects of the other.

The relative amounts of these two hormone groups (Auxin and Cytokinin) in tissue culture formula affects the proportional growth of shoots and roots in vitro... As the ratio is increased (increased auxin or decreases cytokinin), roots are more likely to be produced, and as it is decreased root growth declines and shoot initiation and growth are promoted.

This relationships was first recognized by C.O Miller and F. Skoog in the 1950's.

Auxins are often used to promote initiation of adventitious roots and are the active ingredient of the commercial preparations used in horticulture to root stem cuttings. They can also be used to promote uniform flowering, to promote fruit set, and to prevent premature fruit drop.
Used in high doses, auxin stimulates the production of ethylene. Excess ethylene can inhibit elongation growth, cause leaves to fall (leaf abscission), and even kill the plant. Some synthetic auxins such as 2,4-D and 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T) have been used as herbicides.
Broad-leaf plants (dicots) such as dandelions are much more susceptible to auxins than narrow-leaf plants (monocots) like grass and cereal crops. These synthetic auxins were the active agents in Agent Orange, a defoliant used extensively by American forces in the Vietnam War.

Scares the shit outta me.

Auxins are also found naturally in any kelp/seaweed product and even produced by natural beneficial bacteria in the soil... Its only bad if you use too much.

fuckstix said:

Auxins are often used to promote initiation of adventitious roots and are the active ingredient of the commercial preparations used in horticulture to root stem cuttings. They can also be used to promote uniform flowering, to promote fruit set, and to prevent premature fruit drop.
Used in high doses, auxin stimulates the production of ethylene. Excess ethylene can inhibit elongation growth, cause leaves to fall (leaf abscission), and even kill the plant. Some synthetic auxins such as 2,4-D and 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T) have been used as herbicides.
Broad-leaf plants (dicots) such as dandelions are much more susceptible to auxins than narrow-leaf plants (monocots) like grass and cereal crops. These synthetic auxins were the active agents in Agent Orange, a defoliant used extensively by American forces in the Vietnam War.

Scares the shit outta me.

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Bravo man I know this was made a while ago, but very intriguing. I am going to have to take some time later to read this. +Rep and subscribed great thread ( I love wells of information )

Sure, Jberry bear with me and I will dig it up, I will also report on some of the combos I have used.

At moment I am moving from OZ to US.... I should be settled in next week or two.

From memory though look on ebay as first port of call. Use the reference for commercial Hort products on first page.

jberry said:

got a link to the $4 gram PGR's?

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no prob
http://www.phytotechlab.com/searchresult.aspx?categoryid=10

stupidclown said:

no prob
http://www.phytotechlab.com/searchresult.aspx?categoryid=10

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NICE LINK !!

example:
6-BENZYLAMINOPURINE (BA) Product ID: B800 Storage Temperature: RTCAS Number: 1214-39-7 Description:
► BA, N6-Benzyladenine
► N-(phenylmethyl)-1H-purin-6-amine
► Plant Tissue Culture Tested
► Formula: C12H11N5
► FW: 225.3
► Soluble in KOH

Risk & Safety:
► R:22-36/37/38
► S:26-36

Tariff Code: 2933.59.9550
Package SizePrice
($USD)Qty1G $4.00 5G $8.00 25G $23.50 100G $75.00 500G $300.00 1KG $480.00

yeah i've read a ton on pgr but can't find any dosages for mj guess i'll have to play around with it

Did you read this thread properly ?

for 6-BENZYLAMINOPURINE i have seen from .1 mg to 7.5 mg per liter that is a huge range. i've seen dosages for tomatoes so i'll try that

1 no one going to read all of that
2 if it does the same as co2 then theres no real reason for me to switch
3 co2 is way cheaper
4 that shit has to be used at the percise amount or it can end up being a waste or even harmfull

yeah but add this to your setup with co2 and you will see a diff

That was the point I suppose, its just another "additive" for anyone to enhance an already successful cupboard. It will NEVER replace carbon obviously !

hi all, dont know how active this thread is, but i was thinking of it after reading a web page for a new brand of nutes.
www.rockhydroponics.com
available in australia
anyway have a read of the nutes and additives, they are chock full of auxins, gibberlins, and cytokins.

My lady bought some desperately, being out of nutes, and it being sunday. It was the last 2 weeks of vegging. Never in my life have i seen plants that vegged like this. And when the lights turned, zero internode stretch, just massive growth. Anyway now the plants are waaaay to big to be in the cabinet they are in, but hey : they are awesome to look at.

im so impressed that im doing my next grow fully on rock products just to see what happens. when the guy at the shop talks it up (and he did big time) i dont really listen. But when i see it for myself then i pay attention.

for monkeys like myself its nice to have all the goodies pre packaged in the right ratios.

stupidclown said:

yeah i've read a ton on pgr but can't find any dosages for mj guess i'll have to play around with it

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Below is a link that will tell you how to make some of the fancy expensive PGR products you would find at the hydro store... the formulas are basically the same as the products at the hydro shop except you can mix them at home for a fraction of the price... Also the author of these formulas grows the biggest colas I have ever seen, and I'm certain he had mj in mind when suggesting the dosages. There is also a lot of debating about these PGR's being carcinogenic and I know their are cannabis clubs that will refuse to take meds grown with certain PGR products (although people just lie about how it was grown).

Timing and dosage are crucial for success for sure... applying them threw foliar feeds also seem to be the preferred method.

Here is the link >: http://www.integralhydro.com/plantgrowthregulators.html

yeah but his mix has this warning