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SMOKEDATKU$H said:

LOL, if you say so.

But I think this got missed. What do you guys think about feeding? Start with the big bloom next watering at 1/4 strength, then the water after that add 1/6 grow big?

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Why would you use bigbloom when your still in the veg stage?

natmoon said:

Why would you use bigbloom when your still in the veg stage?

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Because:

MrHowardMarks said:

Wait until the 4-5th node, when there are 5 finger leaves then begin light feeding.

Yeah, Big Bloom is used throughout the entire growing cycle.

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and Fox Farm schedule says to use it from sprout throughout the life. I'm thinking it's more of a supplement than a nutrient.

Thanks

SMOKEDATKU$H said:

Because:



and Fox Farm schedule says to use it from sprout throughout the life. I'm thinking it's more of a supplement than a nutrient.

Thanks

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Ohh ok,i don't use any of it myself,just sounded like a bloom formula.
I only have 2 liquid nutes one for veg and one for flower,ive never fed my plants any bloom formula in the veg stage as it can lead to male flowers being produced,but that may be an old wives tale for all i know as i havent tried it to find out

natmoon said:

Ohh ok,i don't use any of it myself,just sounded like a bloom formula.
I only have 2 liquid nutes one for veg and one for flower,ive never fed my plants any bloom formula in the veg stage as it can lead to male flowers being produced,but that may be an old wives tale for all i know as i havent tried it to find out

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Yeah, I think the name is pretty deceiving.

Check it out: http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pdf

MrHowardMarks said:

Nice, like a feminized cross?

I did the ame thing to the Somango, I crossed it with Silver Pearl...

The Somango is stretchy as fuck, and takes 70 days, the Silver Pearl is short stocky and indica, takes 45 days, hopefully I come out with something special... Calling it Silver Mango... Name games

I like the "mostly indica" and "mostly sativa" and "cross of the two" names aren't necessary. I'm guessing their bagseed genetics... Nice man.

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Nope on the bagseed.
Original strains used to cross over the past 8 years in the correct order that i used them were:
White widow.
Snow White.
BigBud.
Bubblegum.
Shaman.
Blueberry(Male pollen only)
Matanuska Tundra.
Several different kinds of phenos emerged and i have many types of seeds that i have created over the years.
I have also crossed ppp with blueberry.
I haven't really got names for anything apart from the pppxblueberry which i called Putty

Agreed, they should call it something else, with all the grow/bloom nutrient lines out there.

Basically big bloom is a very low concentration of guanos and other beneficials... It has low nitrogen, so it's to be used in conjunction with Grow Big in the veg stage...

But yeah, Big Bloom is the base, pretty deceiving name...

MrHowardMarks said:

Agreed, they should call it something else, with all the grow/bloom nutrient lines out there.

Basically big bloom is a very low concentration of guanos and other beneficials... It has low nitrogen, so it's to be used in conjunction with Grow Big in the veg stage...

But yeah, Big Bloom is the base, pretty deceiving name...

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Yeah. So do you think I should start with 1/4 strength? 1/2, full?

Start at 1/4 strength... Well, if you got that TDS meter, start feeding at 300 ppm (above the 180 tap), then up the feeding each week by 200 ppm, when you're at 800-1000, stop and you'll be ready for bloom...


That's a lot of crossing... I bet it's the PPP and BigBud that I'm seeing in the growth formation... Nice man.

Ever grow any haze, kush? It's tricky, but way worth the effort.

MrHowardMarks said:

Start at 1/4 strength... Well, if you got that TDS meter, start feeding at 300 ppm (above the 180 tap), then up the feeding each week by 200 ppm, when you're at 800-1000, stop and you'll be ready for bloom...


That's a lot of crossing... I bet it's the PPP and BigBud that I'm seeing in the growth formation... Nice man.

Ever grow any haze, kush? It's tricky, but way worth the effort.

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Thanks for the help man, I'll keep this updated to show if the big bloom helps. Hopefully it will!

natmoon said:

Ohh ok,i don't use any of it myself,just sounded like a bloom formula.
I only have 2 liquid nutes one for veg and one for flower,ive never fed my plants any bloom formula in the veg stage as it can lead to male flowers being produced,but that may be an old wives tale for all i know as i havent tried it to find out

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So Natmoon, I've been getting some input on Nutes from several veteran growers the last week or two. I hope to be starting the 1 st of the year, if I can get this damn plumber to come fix my bathroom. I want him done and out of here before I crack a seed. You said that you only use 2 differant nutes, what do you use? I want something that will be very simple, and mostly organic. If you only use two parts, that might be great for me. I know your plants sure turn out nice.

I've been thinking fox farms, I was planning on adding lime to my soil, and using a silica addative to increase structure.

What's the plumbing problem, I might be able to tell you how to fix it... That is if you're a handy man...


Yeah, what's the one part you're using natmoon?


-On a side note, horticulture know-how is waaaay more important than what nutrients you choose to use...

OregonMeds said:

You crack me up Genfranco. You've been spanked repeatedly but don't seem to ever realize you've been owned.

If you open your mind a little people like Mrhoward can teach you quite a lot and help you from continuing to give very very poor advice. Or don't. But don't try to argue with people that clearly know more than you do, you will simply never ever win.

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MrHowardMarks said:

Thanks, I was done with it anyway... +rep for ya.

I read sooooo much wrong with genfranco's posts...


Seriously franco, if you're reading this, you could be pulling a pound from that 400W, instead of the couple ounces you got... Just read up.

You say you have the entire advanced line, but I seriously doubt it... Or you wouldn't be making statements like "if it's quality soil why should you have to add nutes" saying quality soil is miracle grow...


If you'd been reading you'd realize smokedatku$h is using pro-mix, which doesn't have nutes in it... It's sphagnum peat moss and perlite...

Seriously dude, grow up.

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natmoon said:

Lol
Yeah i only talk crap and my buds are just to small from all of the perlite in my soil
You should always flush.
Any nitrogen left in the stems and leaves is the main cause of "headache,choke" weed.
Ps. I grow all this under one 400 watt lamp.

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natmoon said:

Why would you use bigbloom when your still in the veg stage?

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MrHowardMarks said:

Nice natmoon...


Yeah I was gonna go back and give you some rep... But I was too lazy to flip back that many pages so I'll do it now...


Unbelievable how stupid and know-it-all some people are huh?

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Hey stupid ignorant F*&Ks,

I just went through this entire thread (read some more eh) and i still dont know what you people are bitching about.

So fine! I didnt know about this fox farm bloom product and spoke out of my ass saying that its for bloom (i beleave i havent been the only one to make this mistake due to the name) and im sure you will agree with me that any other product that is made by any other company with the word bloom in it is for flowering period. I say i get a half star on that one eh?

...all my other information was true.. If your opinion on MG is different than mine that doesnt make it wrong. If there is someone that has tested a shit load of soils and they say it works... Then why say it is shit? Like i said the reoson people dont like it is because they cant add all there bottled shit or theyll burn the plants..

You told him to flush a mix that didnt even have nutes in it. I didnt read where he gave them too much... if his plant didnt have any nutes in the soil why do you ask him to flush? I can see maybe You wanting to make sure that you were working with a clean slate when you told him to add the bloom product. But one thing you forgot about is that he is using that pro mix that doesnt have ANYTHING in it. You are using the foxfamr soil that alone will grow excellent plants. (without needing to add shit else as long as you use good soil mngmnt... Transplant into larger container every 3 - 4 weeks to give new nutes during vegging) so expected that the add on bloom piece of shit product that foxfarm wants you to start adding right from the start (meaning it probably is crap cause if it had loads of nutrients it would burn it...cause your 19.99 a bag soil of fox farm is allready full of nutes)...

So you thought that the best advice was to flush the plant of all its nutrients and give it this weak add on only?

If you think about it i am suggesting to provide nutes through the soil instead of making foxfarm richer.

I have no problem defending myself on what i suggested.

I dont want t get into the diferences with taste in soil vs hydro and al that shit... foxfarm is suposed to be using all natural so im sure it will be fine... My MG buds taste great after only giving them mollases water the last two weeks...

I do own the advanced line of products... well Not ALL of them.. but the basics... Sensi a&b grow and bloom, Big bud, & overdrive. I also have used chaching and beastie blooms and both worked fine.

I have tasted some close to hydro shit that tasted like crap... looked allot like your guys's weed too... all deformed and with little dried up yellow leaves... no wonder you have to flush so many times... do you enjoy throwing away money? Im sure that for some of you ballers there is no problem spending the cash.. But some of use just grow for our own and dont want to just throw money at the plants and then end up with nasty tasting shit anyway. (and i know you can flush and flush your plant to take away those ferts right)


KInda funny foxfarm loves guano for your indoor when this is recommended by mandala...


Is it necessary to add anything for drainage such as perlite, vermiculite, sand, hydro correls?
It is best not to add any additional materials to your potting soil. Horticultural grade potting soil is perfectly mixed for the best air-water ratio. Adding more non-nutritive substances depletes the water retention capacity of the soil, it unnecessarily "stretches" the soil and reduces the total amount of nutrients available to the plant, and it creates dry pockets in the container. Especially harmful is to fill the bottom of the container with coarse materials such as hydro correls. This is where most roots grow down looking for water and nutrients! If they reach a dry and sterile layer of substrate the delicate root hairs shrivel, valuable space is lost where the plant requires rich soil that stores moisture and minerals.
If you are planting outdoor and your soil is too compact a modest addition of perlite/vermiculite or sand helps to increase drainage. Humus, such as from compost, is the best additive because it also provides many microorganisms and nutrients to the soil mix.
Can I add guano to my potting soil?
NO! Guano is extremely potent and easily burns plants. You should avoid using guano for any indoor cultivation. It can only be used in small amounts for greenhouse or outdoor gardening in the ground and in large containers. Once you mix guano into the soil you can't remove it! For outdoor use it is also best to only apply small amounts onto the top layer of the soil.





LIsten f*&ckers: Flushing a young plant that has no nutrients in it to begin with is not good advice.


To the 1st f^&cker: Where did you get that info about the cancer thing?.. wouldnt flushing (or giving the plant straight water the last 2 weeks) clean those out? I wont mind changing my soil choice if your not talking out your ass But i wonder if thats not the case with all synthetics?

• Fafard Professional Potting Mix
• Kellogg Potting Soil
• Supersoil Potting Soil
• Sunshine All Purpose Planting Mix
• Scotts Potting Soil
• Miracle-Gro Potting Mix
• Miracle-Gro Organic Choice Potting Mix
• Fox Farm Ocean Forest

So out of those which ones have you used and would recommend.
Minus the 19.99 a bag fox farm.. im using 5 gallon buckets and dont sell weed

Whoa, i saw some good looking weed i dont know what all the fuss is about damn, you all grow great looking buds, so chill the fuck out, smoke a fatty, and watch some funny shit on tv. Cheers!

Damn Mr. F*&ker

These Are some Nice Buds....



I might just have to be more agressive in my feeding after all eh?...lol...

So was this done with the AN line? What was the highest PPM you ramped up to on these?

Is this how you are controlling the low temps in the winter?

Yeah, you were on the right track when you wrote, "flush to clean out what's bad and start with a clean slate"

And yeah, maybe you could be a little more aggressive...


Remember indoors is a different game, but with the horticulture know how that you already have, you should get some bomb ass results with a little help from some quality nutes...

BTW, FoxFarm isn't 100% organic.

The pic you just posted was grown with Advanced Iguana and the 2+ beneficials...

And any synthetic nutes can cause cancer, shit smoking anything causes cancer, burning coal and oil causes cancer... Any carbon based material, burned, releases chlorofluorocarbons, they cause cancer...

But MG isn't the best is my main point, when there are sooooo many nutrient companies focused on Cannabis, there are much better choices for a fertilizing regiment.


Also, as long as the moisture level is kept in range, the more perlite the better, it doesn't effect the rhizosphere (the important area directly around the roots where all the action takes place) it actually aides in faster growth due to more oxygen to the roots.


You've seen my buds... Choose for yourself.

Oh, I peaked at 1000 with the organics, so in reality close to 1400, this is because organic matter can't be measured using electro-conductivity, or total dissolved solids... Because organic matter doesn't dissolve.

MrHowardMarks said:

Oh, I peaked at 1000 with the organics, so in reality close to 1400, this is because organic matter can't be measured using electro-conductivity, or total dissolved solids... Because organic matter doesn't dissolve.

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No shit? Good to know.. Ima rep you for that one... So you say its about 400ppm off at 1000... hmm.. so for every 200ppm its off by like 110-150?

So there is no other way to know the ppm lvl for sure?

I thought that the bloom product said it was natural in the PDF file... and isnt there soil natural?

Their entire line isn't organic... You have to be careful with the wording "natural" doesn't mean anything... "Certified Organic" is what you're looking for.


Big Bloom itself is organic, but the soluables aren't and Tiger Bloom isn't... I'm pretty certain that Grow Big isn't either...


But.


All high end fertilizers derive their synthetic ingredients from pharmacudical grade resources.


Miracle Grow and lawn care fertilizers do not.

Advanced Nutrients was the first to do it, a long time ago, and most all existing companies followed suit.

The reason you pay more for the good nutes is because they are better. They can be absorbed better, and are at the proper concentrations.



Back to organics...

Most organics are similar, they are ground up poop and fish, but high class poop.

Seabird poop, Bat poop, and fish emulsion are the main ingredients in most organic products. There are many many other ingredients, but those are the main ones... Hence the smell of organic fertilizer, if you've ever used Iguana Juice, and gotten it on you hand, you know it will smell like dead fish and poop...

Don't pick your nose, or it gets 20x worse...

natmoon said:

Looks to me like you have not been letting your water breathe for 48 hours before use,possible ph issues as well.
The plants leaves appear to be drooping like that due to a lack of oxygen in the soil possibly from over watering but also probably from using bad water with to much chlorine in it.

The chlorine in your tap water will destroy all of the little fine hairlike miniature roots and seriously reduce their ability to draw oxygen and moisture and it can also lead to brittle plants that don't grow well.
Chlorine = bad
Also is your room getting to cold during your lights off period?

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"Quote,quote,quote,blah,blah,blah,your all ignorant and i am the best,so instead of just saying,sorry i didn't know that,i will just talk crap all day until you believe that i was right all along"
Signed General Frankfurter,Lord of Weed.

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