How do i use fox farm nutrients in co co

Hi i have fox farm coco loco and I bought the fox farm dirty dozen kit

how do i mix the nutrients i keep getting different answers someone just told me not to use tiger bloom someone told me i should i need help first time using these nutes

yeah thats not accurate at all

capitnkush said:

yeah thats not accurate at all

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it is their soil schedule. You bought coco, which is a hydroponic media.

I am looking up Dirty Dozen...Okay, here's what you should do.

Do a soil run first, and consider my suggestions below. I am 100% serious, and I speak from experience with Fox Farm. I did my first few runs using FF products, they work fine, but like most Cannabis nutrient companies, you don't need all their products, it is just a money grab.

1) Go buy two large bags of Ocean Forest soil and mix them thoroughly in a bigass Rubbermaid stoarage tub or garbage can with your coco loco.
2) put everything except the Big Bloom, Grow Big, and Tiger Bloom in a box and forget you have it until you have two successful harvests or more. ( Or forget about them completely, because you basically threw your money away on them in the first place.)

3) look up your municipal water data. I bet you can use tap water straight up, not too cold, without even necessarily letting the chlorine evaporate first. If your tap water is under 200ppm and somewhere near pH of say 6.5-7.3, just use it and don't even worry, at least for now.

4) Germinate your seeds in a moist, not wet, Jiffy Peat pellet. Germinate in a warm place or use a heat mat and starter tray. Whatever you do, keep it simple, for the love of Dave. After your little seedlings stand up you just make a hole in the soil deep enough to bury some of the spindly stem of your seedling along with the pellet, because it will help the stability of it as it grows so it doesn't flop over.

5) follow the schedule here, with exceptions: http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/images/pdf/soilenglish2015.pdf - ignore everything before week 3 and don't feed nutes of any kind for the first two to three weeks. Ignore everything except Big Bloom, Grow Big, and Tiger Bloom. Use half the amounts it shows. You can round up a bit, but stay around half of what they suggest. If it says 1 tablespoon of Tiger Bloom use 1.5 to 2 teaspoons, for example. Shake the shit out of the bottles before measuring them out, always.

After a harvest or two consider using the other products but only when you really know what you are doing. The only other product of theirs I used was ChaChing and only applied it twice per run, it is almost nothing but MKP anyway...but I digress. You don't need all that stuff to grow the danks, just focus on the basics and then iterate from there. One other note, make sure there is good airflow and exchange in the grow area. That means fans. Fans are your friends, I don't mean blowing directly on the baby plants and beating them up, just make sure the air is moving around and through the area generally.

Okay, good luck!

With all due respect - the OP wanted advice on how to use fox farm nutes in coco. Advising him/her to start with soil is hardly an answer to his/her question.

Well there already in coco loco just coco loco 2nd week of veg okay so just use the 3 main ones for now and what do I do about cal mag and how much per gallon

Well they have 3 schedules, and the soil schedule does mentioned coco in it, i would start at half strength, until you find a better schedule.

Thanks for the help but I already knew most of the info you told me I wanted to know how to feed, how often every watering or every other because you don't water too often in veg I heard and how much per gallon exactly

Ok, so here is the issue I have with ff's (and other vendors) schedule. Small plants need lees food than big ones. Plants growing under bigger lights need more food than those growing under smaller lights. Healthy plants need more food than plants that are struggling under bugs or other issues.

Where in the schedules (all nutes) does any of that get addressed?

I'm using ff nutes in ffof (after first xplant - seeds started in jiffy seed starter). My week 1 (week 1 of true veg, not 1 week out of seed) feed calls for 1 ml cal mag, 2 ml big bloom, plus supplements per gallon. Less than 100 ppm. But again, I'm in ffof. It already has a lot of nutes in it. And, at this stage I only have them under 65 watts of led (about 8k lux to the plant).

They are healthy/growing. If you use the same schedule with diff lights and media, you might have different results.

Easy, right?

Thanks that kinda helped

Also, fwiw, I'm trying to stick to a fwwwf cycle unless they ask for something.

The watering cycle might get some calmag again as well as additives. It depends on what they say.

capitnkush said:

Thanks for the help but I already knew most of the info you told me I wanted to know how to feed, how often every watering or every other because you don't water too often in veg I heard and how much per gallon exactly

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I imagine all nutes are the same from the standpoint of cutting the strength for small plants. In coco you feed evertime you water and once you have established roots you feed every day. As to how much - feed until there is about 20% run off everytime - that replenishes the nutes and pulls in fresh oxygen. I don't know where you heard to don't water too often in veg, but that is totally wrong. I have 5 week old plants that I feed twice a day - 1/2 gallon each time.

MickFoster said:

With all due respect - the OP wanted advice on how to use fox farm nutes in coco. Advising him/her to start with soil is hardly an answer to his/her question.

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Fair point, but it wasn't clear to me the OP knew it was not the same as soil. I made way too many assumptions with that post, sorry y'all.

I don't think there is a known/clear program for coco with those nutes without doing some ppm maths.

Well, if youze wants the maths.. Here is what I have measured as the ppm increase for 1ml each of the fox farm nuts plus a couple of additives/supplements in 1 gallon of water:

Grow Big (6-4-4): 73
Big Bloom (0-0.5-0.7): 12
Tiger Bloom (2-8-4): 55
Cal-Mag Plus (2-0-0): 49
Silica Blast (0-0-0.5): 2.5

You've got to figure out how to mix and what target you want to hit for both ppm's and x-y-z. Excel helps.

yeah there like 2 weeks into veg why should i feed everyday that doesn't make sense no regular water just feed nutes everyday thats not right

capitnkush said:

yeah there like 2 weeks into veg why should i feed everyday that doesn't make sense no regular water just feed nutes everyday thats not right

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If you weren't going to listen to people and don't believe what they are telling you then why did you bother to ask the question. Good luck with your grow my friend. Here's a pick of a two week old and it gets fed everyday.

Just follow their hydroponic feeding chart

Im listerning to you I'm just confused because you don't ever give it plain water you just give it mixed nutrient water

I think you misunderstood me I meant like how often do i feed nutrients, i know to water every day buy how many times a week do i water

MickFoster said:

If you weren't going to listen to people and don't believe what they are telling you then why did you bother to ask the question. Good luck with your grow my friend. Here's a pick of a two week old and it gets fed everyday.
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capitnkush said:

Im listerning to you I'm just confused because you don't ever give it plain water you just give it mixed nutrient water

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capitnkush said:

I think you misunderstood me I meant like how often do i feed nutrients, i know to water every day buy how many times a week do i water

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I said in one of my earlier posts that you feed every time - you never give just water. And you water/feed everyday once the roots are established. Coco is not like soil, it has no nutrients and holds no nutrients.