How far can "ripeness" be pushed?

PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Thundercat said:
Go up and read my first comment on the subject a few posts before this one(on the previous page I guess). I specifically mentioned mutations as being a possibility that would cause change.

I read that link you posted about this in a different thread a week or so ago. It says they don’t know why mutations sometimes happen. That isn’t some big new breakthrough. I’ve said for years that mutations from genetic damage can cause plants to change.

The other link shows that mutations can happen.......it mentions it could be environmental and then “hypothesizes” that it results in degradation of clones. I’ve seen it happen when plants got damaged over time from poor health and care. Mutations and degradation can happen like I’ve said from the beginning.

What neither of those links show is any proof that a healthy plant that is well cared for will naturally automatically degrade through cloning.
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I agree that the science is still young on this, and whatever the reason for the mutations, it's clear that they do happen. My comments weren't really related to your posts, I just wanted to capture your quote as a reference point. While it is likely that environment does play some role, I find it difficult to believe that it would be an overriding element. Consider two human twins in utero, they are both subjected to essentially the same environmental conditions, yet they have completely different dna mutations which result in identical twins who aren't really identical. Why should we expect that phenomenon to be much different in plants?
 
Lenin1917

Lenin1917

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tstick said:
I've seen this, too. I think some of the buds get so shaken around by the time they get to market, most of the trich heads are gone. Those buds can appear frosty at a glance because the stems of the trichs are still attached to the leaves...but no heads on them!
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Shits even worse with free market plugs. Hand a mf a qp of beautiful tops in 4 jars. “You ain’t gotta do all that” then watch ‘em squish it down into one. Like bro no, treat the weed right
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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PJ Diaz said:
I agree that the science is still young on this, and whatever the reason for the mutations, it's clear that they do happen. My comments weren't really related to your posts, I just wanted to capture your quote as a reference point. While it is likely that environment does play some role, I find it difficult to believe that it would be an overriding element. Consider two human twins in utero, they are both subjected to essentially the same environmental conditions, yet they have completely different dna mutations which result in identical twins who aren't really identical. Why should we expect that phenomenon to be much different in plants?
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I'm not saying the environment is the only factor, but certainly, a major factor as we can see from the way that phenotypes change due to the environment, it has a strong impact on plants and influences how genetics behave. Stress is likely also a big factor. I believe the specific experience I had with a bubba kush plant degrading came from a combination of a very bad environment causing huge amounts of stress. The plant never flowered right after that no matter how healthy it seemed to be vegging.

Also a big reason that I expect plants to behave differently in some ways is that they ARE VERY DIFFERENT from animals. You can't cut off a finger from MOST animals and regrow a whole new animal. Where as many/most plants can have a cutting taken and regrow a whole new plant from that little sample. Very different life forms behave differently......... so making direct comparisons between things that are not actually related is kind of silly.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Thundercat said:
I'm not saying the environment is the only factor, but certainly, a major factor as we can see from the way that phenotypes change due to the environment, it has a strong impact on plants and influences how genetics behave. Stress is likely also a big factor. I believe the specific experience I had with a bubba kush plant degrading came from a combination of a very bad environment causing huge amounts of stress. The plant never flowered right after that no matter how healthy it seemed to be vegging.

Also a big reason that I expect plants to behave differently in some ways is that they ARE VERY DIFFERENT from animals. You can't cut off a finger from MOST animals and regrow a whole new animal. Where as many/most plants can have a cutting taken and regrow a whole new plant from that little sample. Very different life forms behave differently......... so making direct comparisons between things that are not actually related is kind of silly.
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Not that silly really..

Genetics, DNA, plants and humans

How much DNA do plants share with humans? Over 99%?
www.saps.org.uk www.saps.org.uk
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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PJ Diaz said:
Not that silly really..

Genetics, DNA, plants and humans

How much DNA do plants share with humans? Over 99%?
www.saps.org.uk www.saps.org.uk
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They may share some similar DNA, there are other organisms that are only 1 chromosome apart even though they are very different organisms. In either case plants and animals function in very different ways so I wouldn't just make assumptions about similarities between clones of plants and human twins.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Thundercat said:
They may share some similar DNA, there are other organisms that are only 1 chromosome apart even though they are very different organisms. In either case plants and animals function in very different ways so I wouldn't just make assumptions about similarities between clones of plants and human twins.
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Point is, DNA doesn't behave all that differently in one species to another.
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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Thundercat said:
They may share some similar DNA, there are other organisms that are only 1 chromosome apart even though they are very different organisms. In either case plants and animals function in very different ways so I wouldn't just make assumptions about similarities between clones of plants and human twins.
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Comparing plants with humans, priceless.

Thundercat's Ho!

 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Cappuchino said:
Frenchy Cannoli says until there is less then 80% amber in each trichome, THC doesn't brake up.
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I don't know what % point it actually happens at but I bet he isn't far off. I know I've seen lab tests over the years that show that the degradation of THC into CBN doesn't happen over night and really takes some time. Just like the maturation of the trichomes from clear to cloudy and cloudy to amber it all really takes some significant time, and many many growers new and old rush the process for various reasons.
 
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Slartibart4242

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Not a study of weed but of oak trees. But if 234+ year old trees can have very few mutations due to how they protect their stem cells why would it be any different in cannabis?

www.scientificamerican.com

Ancient Oak's Youthful Genome Surprises Biologists

DNA of a 234-year-old tree has few mutations, giving weight to idea that plants protect their stem cells
www.scientificamerican.com www.scientificamerican.com

Also the parallels between how nature and “humans” work are uncanny... But you have to change your notions and understand that plants are sentient...

www.google.com

A biologist believes that trees speak a language we can learn

Humans have long recognized the song of trees.
www.google.com www.google.com
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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Slartibart4242 said:
Not a study of weed but of oak trees. But if 234+ year old trees can have very few mutations due to how they protect their stem cells why would it be any different in cannabis?

www.scientificamerican.com

Ancient Oak's Youthful Genome Surprises Biologists

DNA of a 234-year-old tree has few mutations, giving weight to idea that plants protect their stem cells
www.scientificamerican.com www.scientificamerican.com

Also the parallels between how nature and “humans” work are uncanny... But you have to change your notions and understand that plants are sentient...

www.google.com

A biologist believes that trees speak a language we can learn

Humans have long recognized the song of trees.
www.google.com www.google.com
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You had to say oak trees, lol. I think a lot of people will enjoy this one.

 
weedstoner420

weedstoner420

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Farther than this apparently. I've grown this pheno before and it's normally done in 11 weeks. Chopped this one at 19 weeks of 12/12... Looks pretty toasty in the areas that got direct light, but still plenty of green underneath. Also didn't drop a single leaf the whole time, so I honestly think it could have gone a good bit longer...
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Dang that's a nice looking nug...
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bk78

bk78

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weedstoner420 said:
Farther than this apparently. I've grown this pheno before and it's normally done in 11 weeks. Chopped this one at 19 weeks of 12/12... Looks pretty toasty in the areas that got direct light, but still plenty of green underneath. Also didn't drop a single leaf the whole time, so I honestly think it could have gone a good bit longer...
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Dang that's a nice looking nug...
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Yeah all the pet hair and pubes really accent the beautiful nug well.
 
green_machine_two9er

green_machine_two9er

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weedstoner420 said:
Hey man, you try sitting in front of a fan in someone's basement for 5 months and see how clean you end up :P
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Ummmm


weedstoner420 said:
Farther than this apparently. I've grown this pheno before and it's normally done in 11 weeks. Chopped this one at 19 weeks of 12/12... Looks pretty toasty in the areas that got direct light, but still plenty of green underneath. Also didn't drop a single leaf the whole time, so I honestly think it could have gone a good bit longer...
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Dang that's a nice looking nug...
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if that’s what a nice looking nug is I do feel very sad for you. Looks like a hospital visit to me
 
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