How important are genetics?

JohnCee · Apr 16, 2018

I've always been able to grow nice looking weed.. always been a firm, dense, nice looking nug. I've never had good weed (bag seed), so even though it looks beautiful.. it never smoked right. Now that I purchased proven clones that people have grown 24%+ THC with.. does that mean I should expect around the same THC since I can grow from start to finish without anything major happening? I'm just wondering if I can expect the same results, or do I have to be growing in soil with advanced nutrients and the best lights, etc., etc.

Sir72 · Apr 16, 2018

Good genetics are crucial and the genetics that you want for your needs. Of course you need good light and good soil but you don’t need any advanced nutrients, just some organic dry fert when she gets hungry will work great

JohnCee · Apr 16, 2018

Sir72 said:
Good genetics are crucial and the genetics that you want for your needs. Of course you need good light and good soil but you don’t need any advanced nutrients, just some organic dry fert when she gets hungry will work great

Thanks for the input! Like I said, I grow some nice looking stuff, but none of my nice looking bag seed has ever worked for me medically. I still purchase overpriced dispensary weed that is hit-or-miss.

I'm hoping that since I finally tossed a bit of money at clones with proven lab results showing 22-27%+ that I should be at least able to grow something 20%+.

I just use the simple GH A&B, CALMAG, and Liquid KoolBloom.. and I believe my lighting is sufficient.

Viceman666 · Apr 16, 2018

JohnCee said:
Thanks for the input! Like I said, I grow some nice looking stuff, but none of my nice looking bag seed has ever worked for me medically. I still purchase overpriced dispensary weed that is hit-or-miss.

I'm hoping that since I finally tossed a bit of money at clones with proven lab results showing 22-27%+ that I should be at least able to grow something 20%+.

I just use the simple GH A&B, CALMAG, and Liquid KoolBloom.. and I believe my lighting is sufficient.

Light will most likely impact the most your yield at the end (more light=more yield), but genetics is probably the most important factor IMO especially if you have specific medical need. Yes clones should reproduce the plant where they were taken from so if the mother plant produced 20%thc the clone should do about the same.. if you do good with temp and RH% and nutrients balance.. GH A&B, koolbloom and calmag should be all you need! Ive heard that LED seems to produce a bit more potent canabis (I dont want to raise the debate in here) but if thats something that really matters for your condition id look into that..

But im sill curious, so what your set up size? What light are you using? in all honesty im sure those clones will grow good since you seems to know what you are doing and getting a better genetic definitively will impact your end result

blowincherrypie · Apr 16, 2018

If I remember correctly years back there was a thread where someone was growing out shwag seeds and repeatedly coming up with some heat.

Randomestguy · Apr 17, 2018

Just a newb so take it as you will, but I'd say genetics is your max potential for quality, like if you grew a bag seed and some good ass strain(call it 'x'), and had everything dialed in you'd grow good plants for each but the x would more than likely be better as it was bred out for higher thc or something like that, probably get very similar yields as that's the light's factor but quality would be better for x. That's just how I see it.

Joint Monster · Apr 17, 2018

JohnCee said:
I've always been able to grow nice looking weed.. always been a firm, dense, nice looking nug. I've never had good weed (bag seed), so even though it looks beautiful.. it never smoked right. Now that I purchased proven clones that people have grown 24%+ THC with.. does that mean I should expect around the same THC since I can grow from start to finish without anything major happening? I'm just wondering if I can expect the same results, or do I have to be growing in soil with advanced nutrients and the best lights, etc., etc.

A Clone is the exact same as it's mother, so "technically" you should produce the exact same bud. However that is if your growing process is exactly the same, and your drying/curing process is exactly the same. Every aspect, every bump in the road, will lead to deviations.
...Generally speaking you should* get something similar if you do it justice.

Genetics imo. are the upper threshold of how dank your product can possible be. Give any one grower two beans, good genetics and bad genetics, the good genetics will out-perform in the exact same environment.

As far as medicinal, you need to experiment and see what strains work for you. Maybe try a gram of a few different varieties from a dispensary. Then try to get beans/clones for those strains, or crosses of those strains... and then find a nice pheno!

Randomestguy · Apr 17, 2018

Joint Monster said:
...Generally speaking you should* get something similar if you do it justice.

Genetics imo. are the upper threshold of how dank your product can possible be. Give any one grower two beans, good genetics and bad genetics, the good genetics will out-perform in the exact same environment.

Ye my point by someone who knows how to do the talk thing.

GreenHighlander · Apr 17, 2018

blowincherrypie said:
If I remember correctly years back there was a thread where someone was growing out shwag seeds and repeatedly coming up with some heat.

Thats because the genetics were in fact great. Just the buds the seeds came from were not grown right.
Cheers

charface · Apr 17, 2018

Not smoking right sounds like a dry/curing problem more than a genetic issue

Randomestguy · Apr 17, 2018

charface said:
Not smoking right sounds like a dry/curing problem more than a genetic issue

I think op meant it didn't have enough oomph

GreenHighlander · Apr 17, 2018

JohnCee said:
I've always been able to grow nice looking weed.. always been a firm, dense, nice looking nug. I've never had good weed (bag seed), so even though it looks beautiful.. it never smoked right. Now that I purchased proven clones that people have grown 24%+ THC with.. does that mean I should expect around the same THC since I can grow from start to finish without anything major happening? I'm just wondering if I can expect the same results, or do I have to be growing in soil with advanced nutrients and the best lights, etc., etc.

And to answer your question genetics are everything!!!
Without good genes no matter how great a job of growing it wont ever be any good. With good genes you can still fuck up growing it and have good strong cannabis.
Cheers

charface · Apr 17, 2018

Randomestguy said:
I think op meant it didn't have enough oomph

Ahhh,

charface · Apr 17, 2018

GreenHighlander said:
And to answer your question genetics are everything!!!
Without good genes no matter how great a job of growing it wont ever be any good. With good genes you can still fuck up growing it and have good strong cannabis.
Cheers

Another thread going on like this the other day.

Yep, we may wish our child had a normal face but no matter how good of a parent or how nice the home.
The kid might just be a shovelface.

Randomestguy · Apr 17, 2018

GreenHighlander said:
And to answer your question genetics are everything!!!
Without good genes no matter how great a job of growing it wont ever be any good. With good genes you can still fuck up growing it and have good strong cannabis.
Cheers

Correct to assume fucking up with a good strain would typically impact yield as opposed to quality right? (Jw)

Randomestguy · Apr 17, 2018

charface said:
The kid might just be a shovelface.

You mean butterface? And what would that even be like for mj, shit that looks like mids but fries your eyebrows off lol (cuz it's that fire)

GreenHighlander · Apr 17, 2018

Randomestguy said:
Correct to assume fucking up with a good strain would typically impact yield as opposed to quality right? (Jw)

Well you can completely fuck up both. But if the genetic potential isn't there to begin with you can not fuck up at all and still end up with crap.
Cheers

Roger A. Shrubber · Apr 17, 2018

you can take mediocre genetics and achieve some pretty good results, but you'll never get that Fire...
you can take superior genetics and melt eyeballs....if you know how, if you don't, you'll achieve some pretty mediocre results....

Michael Huntherz · Apr 17, 2018

Roger A. Shrubber said:
you can take mediocre genetics and achieve some pretty good results, but you'll never get that Fire...
you can take superior genetics and melt eyeballs....if you know how, if you don't, you'll achieve some pretty mediocre results....

I underfed some bomb genetics, cured it in three weeks, and it was smokeable. Grew the same cut later, drove it hard during flower, cured it for three months, totally the dank.

Michael Huntherz · Apr 17, 2018

Randomestguy said:
Correct to assume fucking up with a good strain would typically impact yield as opposed to quality right? (Jw)

Not necessarily, totally depends on the varietal in question.

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