How small can i go with a 400 hps and a 500cfm blower, Any equations???

specialkayme

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I don't mean to revisit a sore topic, but I think it is possible to 'waste' light, if you have too much. I'm not saying it is possible in this particular situation, but that it is possible for you to have more light than the plant can consume. This, in an essence, is wasting electricity and light.
To say that you can't match the intensity of the sun is just straight out wrong though. The Sun produces approx. 10,000 lumens per square foot on a warm, bright sunny day. The average HPS light produces approx. 107 lumens per watt used. So, if you were to have a 400 watt HPS bulb, it would produce 42,800 lumens. If you wanted to match the intensity of the sun, then you would need to put the light in a 4.25 square foot box, or a box that is approx 2'x2'. Placing the light in a box smaller than that will be giving the plant more light than is needed. It can't use all of it and some of it will go to waste.
And yes, I am aware that light loses it's intensity when traveled over a distance, but for arguments sake we will assume that anyone that uses one of these HID lights will be smart enough to put it on a light mover and get it as close to the plants as possible.
This 10,000 lumens per square foot is not necisarrily a standard, however. Usually it's considered a minimum amount of lumens of 3,000 per square foot to grow anything worth while. I have seen people on here that grow with over 20,000 lumens per square foot, so it is possible, just not really necisary.
If, for instance, you were to take that same 2'x2' grow area, and place a 1000 watt HPS in there, that would be producing 107,000 lumens, or 26,000 lumens per square foot. Clearly a waste of energy, light, and watts.
More light is certainly better, but within reason. Not that it really matters in this case.
 

kochab

New Member
I don't mean to revisit a sore topic, but I think it is possible to 'waste' light, if you have too much. I'm not saying it is possible in this particular situation, but that it is possible for you to have more light than the plant can consume. This, in an essence, is wasting electricity and light.
To say that you can't match the intensity of the sun is just straight out wrong though. The Sun produces approx. 10,000 lumens per square foot on a warm, bright sunny day. The average HPS light produces approx. 107 lumens per watt used. So, if you were to have a 400 watt HPS bulb, it would produce 42,800 lumens. If you wanted to match the intensity of the sun, then you would need to put the light in a 4.25 square foot box, or a box that is approx 2'x2'. Placing the light in a box smaller than that will be giving the plant more light than is needed. It can't use all of it and some of it will go to waste.
And yes, I am aware that light loses it's intensity when traveled over a distance, but for arguments sake we will assume that anyone that uses one of these HID lights will be smart enough to put it on a light mover and get it as close to the plants as possible.
This 10,000 lumens per square foot is not necisarrily a standard, however. Usually it's considered a minimum amount of lumens of 3,000 per square foot to grow anything worth while. I have seen people on here that grow with over 20,000 lumens per square foot, so it is possible, just not really necisary.
If, for instance, you were to take that same 2'x2' grow area, and place a 1000 watt HPS in there, that would be producing 107,000 lumens, or 26,000 lumens per square foot. Clearly a waste of energy, light, and watts.
More light is certainly better, but within reason. Not that it really matters in this case.
I agree with that But a 400 watt ligh is very diferent indeed.
I actually saw someone using a 250watt very damn efficently the other day with an idea that i played around with for a while.... Ill see if i cant find a link.
 

FullMetalJacket

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Agreed SpecialKayme it is possible but not in this case.

Even with optimum C02 levels and temps of about 90, 40% humidity, i read that at most 12,000 lumens were all that could be utilized. That being said though, lumens also decreas exponentially the further you move from the light. Not only down to the canopy but from side to side obviously. My 600 is cool enough that i can touch it to the top of my plants but i need to raise it a little so i get a nice spread over my 3-4 width.

I think overdoing the lights to consider it a waste is obviously possible, just vey difficult..
 

FullMetalJacket

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Effeciency only gets you to a certain point, not always to the ideal point. If you are not at an ideal point any addition is not a waste. Less ROI possibley but not a waste.

And that didng ding ding thing was funny and i am not arguing just diescussing. This is what roll it up is all about. Comparing ideas and views to ultimately benefit the greater good.

I admit i am wrong pretty often... but sometimes arueing wrong points helps people as well as it only helps the "lurkers" gain a better understanding.
 
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