huge dissapoinment.

billybob420 said:

You sound like a loser. Borrowing money from people to grow weed.

Get a fuckin' job.

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and the award for least helpful post goes to........

Alright man, you got to love it. Look at this as a challenge and love the challenge. Love that you're going to come thru it on the other side and make the dicks that doubt you look fucking dumb. Love that you can't be stopped by bugs or bullshit or heckling dickholes on the interweb. Love this shit man cuz if you don't love it then you're probably best off not doing it. As for you guys who get your kicking boots on when you see a guy who is down eat a fat one. I'm wising you luck billybo and I'm wishing a massive poweroutage, mites, thripes, root aphids and full body cancer for the assholes who thought its funny and fun to kick a fellow grower who's down; get the fuck off my team bitches no room for negative shit. there are real people on the other end of these posts, real people on our team trying to grow good buds. Being you every day of your lives is probably hell enough but I wish 7th circle of hell on you all guys. Thats just fucked.

You're a marine man! One of the baddest toughest mofo's on the planet! Surely if you can handle insurgents with AK-47's, you can handle some aphids!

This is the kinda stuff that separates the bagseed millionaires from the true passionate growers. This stuff just happens, plain and simple and it happens to everyone. The difference between us folk who have successful gardens is that we have decided that we are going to stick through and MAKE it work! I mean no disrespect when I say the following: If you can't manage to get back in there and get this shit sorted, you weren't cut out for this job. It's gotta be in your heart if you are going to succeed.

With that said, show us some of that USMC perseverance and determination! You got this man! You just have to convince yourself you got it. Give up if you want. All that means is that your heart isn't in it enough to make it a success.

But personally, I KNOW for a fact that you could win this fight if you wanted it bad enough.

he must be busy workin!-

Root's Organics Soil has root aphids, Fox Farm has them as well I contacted both companies about it, Root's Organics told me it wasn't their fault where distributors stored their soil, and it didn't come from them, Fox Farm asked me for bag numbers, where I purchased, etc they also offered me free bags of soil, but I turned them down, nice offer, but it really didn't compensate for the loss I was feeling. I didn't lose the root devils untill I did an overhaul... If your low on cash, buy those 10 dollar blocks of coco from botanicare, and some perlite, and start over fresh. The taste is there, as well as the ability to water daily...

You can beat them. I haven't seen one for what 3 months now and I highly doubt I will ever have them again. Preventative measures are key.

i had some problems with winged flying gnat things???? so i used azamax and incorporated crushed diatamascus earth (sp) to top of soil and it wiped em out ...the d.e. acts like glass chards on any larvae crawling throughsoil !!1

so I'm just saying this thread is real old and the OP hasn't posted in like 6 months. I mean don't get me wrong I hope he fixed the issue and is growing again, but you guys are talking like this is a fresh thread.

Well it helped me out: I got 'em. Killing everything and starting over after I figure out how to clean the area with some certainty. They just got to flying stage the last week or so, and I thought I was getting fungus gnats... Anyone got any good info on cleaning area to disinfect from these things after I dump soilless?

I was using HotShots pretty much permanent, and I think I killed off the natural predators the last couple months and they got the upper hand. I did not even notice them until about ten days ago I started noticing 'gnats' on my HotShot that were still alive. HotShot is white plastic case, and the luminescence attracts them apparently. I think spraying everything with Avid, etc. will hide these things from you until it is too late to fight them. According to the OP over at ICMag once these fucks are flying you lose.

Well I decided I was too long to go in bloom to chance it; so I trashed all that, and my veg, and carted the soilless away with pots.

I noticed my yield dropped the last two times, and blew it off to heat, construction, etc.
Bad move.
I suppose it was providence that this thread popped back up now.
At any point I am okay with starting over: I like seeds and have a couple.

Here is a picture from that other place hijacked from someone else that shows these 'odd-flying fungus gnats', (otherwise known as Root Aphids):


Once you get it under a microscope it's a lot different than a fungus gnat, and unfortunately I made a positive ID on all 3 I tested.
It sucks yes.
But I move on.
I have some stuff needs testing; so...

Nothing? Gee Thanks Fellas.
Well I used a lot of bleach and can't seem to locate any of the root aphids since I vacuumed up.
Pretty sure I killed everything outside the old pots.
I tossed out all of that stuff.

So now I am freezing the little fuckers who might be hiding in the cracks.
Got 34*F air blowing in right now.
This should clean up my air tunnel too I would think.
Doesn't seem like these things can live very long outside the plant.

I let my Bubba dry out pretty thorough a few days ago, and them fuckers must have been coming out of that.
Apparently they don't like dry at all.
After doing a freeze out for a day or two I got 2 HEGA filters for my intakes.
HEGA filters are just like HEPA filters but catch a lot more stuff because they use smaller pores.

Just need to come up with flanges for them.
Got a 10" and a 6"; both are like a foot long.
I'm done playing man.
I don't want to have to do this again.

Soo... does anyone know how the OP made out?
I'm sealing my rooms, buying new material, and starting some seeds in a week or so.
I figure I will cover the intakes with the HEGA filters, and build a barrier wall between rooms and rest of that area.
Then I will use the new area for lung room for ac unit.

In a way this could be a blessing in disguise.
Sorry to be rambling; but this is kinda traumatic, and I needed to vent.
Also noticed folks don't want to talk about it; so that's disappointing.
I figured out where and when I got 'em; but that's not important.
What's important is that folks stop passing them around.

And to be honest I haven't any good ideas how to insure that with visual inspections.
These things are about the size of a pinpoint when in the normal state down below.
They are off white colored at this stage: like many roots.
They go through about 9 metamorphosis stages before they start to fly.
Good luck with that huh?

Again: Thanks for all of your kind words.
I don't deserve it; really.

sounds like you gave them a good woopen hope it works out for ya

Check into imid if they come back, would also do a soil drench with mighty wash as best you can at some point. Nematodes will help too. I haven't seen any plant issues or bugs since I a: hit one crop with imid, and B) switched to TLO Style of growing. Yields back up, headaches gone.

Also if your room is empty throw a bug bomb or 2 in there. Never hurts as long as you dont have plants in there.

I am just going to get all new soilless and pots, etc.
Cleaned up lamps and fans and walls and doors and floors, and MotherFucker does it smell like bleach around here!
No other plants in house; so I doubt they can hang long.
Especially with that artic air running through there.

Thanks for the info: that Bayer looks like the ticket if one is fighting them.
I only keep 12 plants; so it's relatively easy for me to just start over from seeds.
Bummer losing some jewels; but fuck it they were probably very sick by now.
Good thing I'm sitting on this sack of seeds.

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fattiemcnuggins said:

Check into imid if they come back, would also do a soil drench with mighty wash as best you can at some point. Nematodes will help too. I haven't seen any plant issues or bugs since I a: hit one crop with imid, and B) switched to TLO Style of growing. Yields back up, headaches gone.

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I agree that tlo so far has given much me less problems. I think my next batch I'll throw some mosquito dunks in there too, let me know if that works out, instead of just using it in my waterings. Michigan has the worst fuckin gnats ever. Even with no grow and a clean house they are everywhere in the summer.

I easily could have gotten a half decent crop out of my plants.
With aggressive treatment there is not much reason to think these things had sort of dominance as of yet.
The roots looked pretty nice when I flipped the pots over dumping them out in back forty.
The plants all looked very healthy.

But I don't like the fight.
My one friend said you never can get bug free for long and he likes the fight.
Whatever happened to the peace and love man?
I want to live in harmony with nature; so I'm building another barrier wall to seal my garden off from it.

I have no scope, how do I tell the difference between RA n gnats?

If it is fungus gnats the larva are fairly easy to identify witout a scope. Slice a potato up and spread it out on your dirt. Twait 4 hours or so and check what you got. Hopefully nothing.