Hydroponics Question and Answer NewGrowth Style

racer3456

Well-Known Member
Is your resevoir lightproof??? That was my problem once and it took me a while to figure out... But my plants were stunted as hell and the roots would not grow into the solution. That's how I finally figured out light was coming in (even though I spray-painted it black 3 times!)
 

plantman969

Active Member
whats up. I am a fairly new to personal growing and have started out with a full line of botanicare nutes, plus a few additives.

Nutrients I Run - For a 250w Conversion (MH flower/HPS Bloom) 14gallon, DWC rubbermade tote w/two 15" air stones with a water rez level of 9 gallons for 3 plants. in a 2x2x6 Homebox S. 4" 170cfm carbon filer exaust, two 4" 80cfm inline fans for air intake straight from humidifier, and two 6" clip fans for interior air movement. temps 67 night - low 84-87 high day with a low - 35% humitity all times. RO or Distilled Water

how can i improve or got any ideas on helping me with better flowering nutes or somthing you have used or have noticed benifits from.



Botanicare:

PBP Grow - From 5ml pre-soaking rockwool for seeds - end of week 2 15ml grow/bloom of flowering

PBP Bloom - week 1 of flowering 10ml grow 15ml bloom till buds start to form the only bloom - 1 1/2 week before harvest

Calmag - 2.5ml gal presoaked rockwool for seeds - harvest never going higher than 8ml

Liquid Karma - 15ml presoaking rockwool for seeds - 12ml gal veg 15ml gal bloom - harvest

Sweet - 5ml presoaking rockwool for seeds - 10-12ml for veg, 12-20ml bloom to harvest - Dont care great for seed germination and all the way through imo helps keep plant nice and compact during veg use both calmag and sweet keeping it close to 60 - 40 sweet-calmag

Silica Blast - Start adding at 2.5 ml a gal after fist set of tru leafs. Great natural ph Up No more than 5ml a gal at any given time.


Advanced Nutrients:

B52 - 1ml a gal for presoaking rockwool for seeds - 2-4ml a gal veg to transistion of 12/12 stop for 3 weeks and back to 2-4ml a gal bloom

Voodoo Juice - From start to finish/flush Great ****ing Stuff dont care whtany one says. its all in how you apply it i think. Granted i wasted a good chunk of change but i feel now every crop could benifit. I took some trial and error but imo there are a few ways one can benifit from it. at first
i went with the 30ml a gal for the full res and went half stength on nutes worked great no **** 3 hours i noticible root growth the next day double.
But 30ml a gal is way too much. i could explain this prosses of trail an error but that is for a diferent post. In the end i mix 1-2ml PER PLANT in a liquid siringe and then suck up some rez (filling the 60ml siringe) water after a day of the nutes sitting in the tote mixing - make sure pH is between 5.5 - 6.3 I then shake siringe and inject 20ml directly to the base of plant and rockwool. after this i usully add 10 - 15 ml a gallon based on total rez gallons not the number of gallons with mxed nutes so for me 90ml every rez change - for me 3 times a grow. baby-veg, veg-end of first month bloom, and bloom to flush

Sensizym - Next purchase and will use with every rez change, when needed, and for flush

pH Up
pH Down

Nutes I am going to purchase:
Collosal Bud Blast or Wet Betty Organic
Big Bud.


Nutrients must be mixed i a certin order so as to not lock other nutes out.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST AND BEST THING I HAVE LEARNED IN HELPING ME MAINTAIN MY LEVELS. If mixed in the right order very little pH up or down will be needed. For me after mixing I have to use a couple drops of pH up because of PBP Grow or Bloom when added lower pH significantly.

This is my mix and order for current veg and transition: Last two gallon mixes

RO Water - pH 7.1/75f/.32ec/220ppm/TDS 7
then add
10ml Liqiud Karma- ph 5.9/75f/.46ec/320ppm/TDS 226
+
10ml Sweet - forgot to get readings
+
7ml Calmag- pH 5.91/75f/1.38ec/960ppm/TDS 713
+
2ml B52- pH 5.8/75f/1.5ec/1040ppm/TDS 753
+
2ml Silica Blast- pH 6.5/75f/1.5ec/1070ppm/TDS 771
+
15ml PBP Grow- pH 5.35/75f/2.71ec/1890ppm/TDS 1440
my gallon mixes before transition

Transition Mix: Best Mix Yet
1 Gallon RO Water - ph 7.27/76f/.16ec/120ppm/TDS 12
+
12ml Liquid Karma- pH6.38/74f/.48ec/330ppm/TDS 241
+
12ml Sweet- pH 6.02/74f/.94ec/660ppm/TDS 487
+
6ml Calmag- pH 6.04/74f/1.47ec/1020ppm/TDS 763
+
10ml PBP Grow- pH 4.99/74f/2.38ec/1660ppm/TDS 1220
+
3ml Silica Blast- pH 5.73/74f/2.41ec/1680ppm/TDS 1310
+
12ml PBP Bloom- pH 5.23/74f/3.18ec/2220ppm/TDS 1790
+
2 drops pH Up- pH 5.51/74f/3.18ec/2220ppm/TDS 1790
Final Readings.

I start my rez with low nutes and add 1/2 - full strength nutes premixed in gallons as the water level lowers to my add back and if i feel the plants are getting to manny nutes i just take out a 1/2 - 1 gal rez water and add some pH balanced RO water then go back an hour later empty a gl of rz water add some pH down and dump it back in.

this is what i am working with hope it helps i will throw some pics up soon

OH DONT USE ROOTS ORGANIC TRINITY IN YOU DWC FOAMS/BUBBLES AND THE PLANTS DONT SEEM TO LIKE IT - BUT I BET IT IS GREAT IN SOIL.

1)Tap water is also a great way yo add natural ph up to your rez.

2)In which order and how do you mix your nutes? I read that the best way to take full advantage of your feeding program was to manage your nute mixing. So you would mix your additives/macros LK Sweet Carbo Load B52 ect, then your NPK Nutes PBP grow/bloom then your benificials voodooo, taranjula, pirana, sub -b sub-m ect. In doing so you will not lock any nutes out in the mixing process. also benificals should be added after the rez and nutes have had time to mix properly. I have had great succes with this and RO water statrting at ph 7 ending in 5.3-5.9

3)Also true you should definitally use PBP Grow in the first 3 weeks of bloom or till buds start to form. To get over the phos problem i was told using B52 after buds start to form will help this problem.

4)Side Note Try Sweet in veg i think you will like it. Just use a little less calmag. i use both together - sweet because it says if used in veg it will help keep plants from becoming soft stemed and lengthy. And my plants are short stocky bushes.


Like i said i start low and add high. My res is not that high that was the total of my add back mixes my rez sets at

Currently :

Bloom Box - Sprouted 3/8 - pH 5.78/74f/2.34ec/1630ppm/TDS 1330

Veg Box w/2- 2 week old plants from seed started 4/1- pH 5.91/71f/1.51ec 1050ppm/TDS 828

next will be a list of question i am still pondering.
 

plantman969

Active Member
Whats going on? So i have a few question.

I have my 2x2x6 grow space with my 250
3 plants in 9gal dwc. The plants look wonderful with no problems. (hopefully)

So my question - I have been doing a lot of reading and so forth and have noticed my plants are so much diff than most. 1st they are on day 6 of veg total of 4-7 in with more growth and root mass than most. The problem lies in the amount of space. i have 1 barneys farm nightshade in the front (indica)
small comparied to the others both Super Lemon Haze- 1 showing sativa phenos and the other more of the indica pheno.
These are the two i am concerned about.
From the beginning they have been veged under the MH250 and now on the HPS250, yet the whole time my light is about 4-6 in above the plant. Because of this along with the multipule toppings they have become bushes. Yet they are short. I place my light really low because i have good air flow and have yet to burn the plants. i also dont have that large space between the stock and starting of growth like most do. Maybe 1" from tote to foliage. I did raise my light so it sits about 9" from the plants to help them strech. Once they reach 1.5 feet from the tote my screen will come into play SCROG
My buddy said because they area is so small once my buds fill out the screen it will be like a rainforest. Lush tops shitty undergrowth. I plan on trimming larger fan leafs throughout flowering to get more light penitration. and also installing 4 small cfls for suplamental lighting under the screen. Are my bushes going to make this really dificult?

This is my first real grow and have had my bumps in the road - all most killed the plants in flower when i switched them to 12/12 the first time. they got nute lock out from low ph ended cutting off most of the plant and reveged for about a week and a half to get them recovered. Well in doing so they grew back and are super healthy but just really bushy. So maybe i over topped them?


I feel i have the process down pat for what works for me from seed to begining of flowering. But have never gone futher than that and dont quite know what to expect during the flowering process.

so any ideas comments that would help facilitate this learning please voice your opinions.
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
whats up. I am a fairly new to personal growing and have started out with a full line of botanicare nutes, plus a few additives.

Nutrients I Run - For a 250w Conversion (MH flower/HPS Bloom) 14gallon, DWC rubbermade tote w/two 15" air stones with a water rez level of 9 gallons for 3 plants. in a 2x2x6 Homebox S. 4" 170cfm carbon filer exaust, two 4" 80cfm inline fans for air intake straight from humidifier, and two 6" clip fans for interior air movement. temps 67 night - low 84-87 high day with a low - 35% humitity all times. RO or Distilled Water

how can i improve or got any ideas on helping me with better flowering nutes or somthing you have used or have noticed benifits from.



Botanicare:

PBP Grow - From 5ml pre-soaking rockwool for seeds - end of week 2 15ml grow/bloom of flowering

PBP Bloom - week 1 of flowering 10ml grow 15ml bloom till buds start to form the only bloom - 1 1/2 week before harvest

Calmag - 2.5ml gal presoaked rockwool for seeds - harvest never going higher than 8ml

Liquid Karma - 15ml presoaking rockwool for seeds - 12ml gal veg 15ml gal bloom - harvest

Sweet - 5ml presoaking rockwool for seeds - 10-12ml for veg, 12-20ml bloom to harvest - Dont care great for seed germination and all the way through imo helps keep plant nice and compact during veg use both calmag and sweet keeping it close to 60 - 40 sweet-calmag

Silica Blast - Start adding at 2.5 ml a gal after fist set of tru leafs. Great natural ph Up No more than 5ml a gal at any given time.


Advanced Nutrients:

B52 - 1ml a gal for presoaking rockwool for seeds - 2-4ml a gal veg to transistion of 12/12 stop for 3 weeks and back to 2-4ml a gal bloom

Voodoo Juice - From start to finish/flush Great ****ing Stuff dont care whtany one says. its all in how you apply it i think. Granted i wasted a good chunk of change but i feel now every crop could benifit. I took some trial and error but imo there are a few ways one can benifit from it. at first
i went with the 30ml a gal for the full res and went half stength on nutes worked great no **** 3 hours i noticible root growth the next day double.
But 30ml a gal is way too much. i could explain this prosses of trail an error but that is for a diferent post. In the end i mix 1-2ml PER PLANT in a liquid siringe and then suck up some rez (filling the 60ml siringe) water after a day of the nutes sitting in the tote mixing - make sure pH is between 5.5 - 6.3 I then shake siringe and inject 20ml directly to the base of plant and rockwool. after this i usully add 10 - 15 ml a gallon based on total rez gallons not the number of gallons with mxed nutes so for me 90ml every rez change - for me 3 times a grow. baby-veg, veg-end of first month bloom, and bloom to flush

Sensizym - Next purchase and will use with every rez change, when needed, and for flush

pH Up
pH Down

Nutes I am going to purchase:
Collosal Bud Blast or Wet Betty Organic
Big Bud.


Nutrients must be mixed i a certin order so as to not lock other nutes out.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST AND BEST THING I HAVE LEARNED IN HELPING ME MAINTAIN MY LEVELS. If mixed in the right order very little pH up or down will be needed. For me after mixing I have to use a couple drops of pH up because of PBP Grow or Bloom when added lower pH significantly.

This is my mix and order for current veg and transition: Last two gallon mixes

RO Water - pH 7.1/75f/.32ec/220ppm/TDS 7
then add
10ml Liqiud Karma- ph 5.9/75f/.46ec/320ppm/TDS 226
+
10ml Sweet - forgot to get readings
+
7ml Calmag- pH 5.91/75f/1.38ec/960ppm/TDS 713
+
2ml B52- pH 5.8/75f/1.5ec/1040ppm/TDS 753
+
2ml Silica Blast- pH 6.5/75f/1.5ec/1070ppm/TDS 771
+
15ml PBP Grow- pH 5.35/75f/2.71ec/1890ppm/TDS 1440
my gallon mixes before transition

Transition Mix: Best Mix Yet
1 Gallon RO Water - ph 7.27/76f/.16ec/120ppm/TDS 12
+
12ml Liquid Karma- pH6.38/74f/.48ec/330ppm/TDS 241
+
12ml Sweet- pH 6.02/74f/.94ec/660ppm/TDS 487
+
6ml Calmag- pH 6.04/74f/1.47ec/1020ppm/TDS 763
+
10ml PBP Grow- pH 4.99/74f/2.38ec/1660ppm/TDS 1220
+
3ml Silica Blast- pH 5.73/74f/2.41ec/1680ppm/TDS 1310
+
12ml PBP Bloom- pH 5.23/74f/3.18ec/2220ppm/TDS 1790
+
2 drops pH Up- pH 5.51/74f/3.18ec/2220ppm/TDS 1790
Final Readings.

I start my rez with low nutes and add 1/2 - full strength nutes premixed in gallons as the water level lowers to my add back and if i feel the plants are getting to manny nutes i just take out a 1/2 - 1 gal rez water and add some pH balanced RO water then go back an hour later empty a gl of rz water add some pH down and dump it back in.

this is what i am working with hope it helps i will throw some pics up soon

OH DONT USE ROOTS ORGANIC TRINITY IN YOU DWC FOAMS/BUBBLES AND THE PLANTS DONT SEEM TO LIKE IT - BUT I BET IT IS GREAT IN SOIL.
Wow thanks man very detailed.

1)Tap water is also a great way yo add natural ph up to your rez.
I agree i don't use RO myself just have a good supply of Ph down.

2)In which order and how do you mix your nutes? I read that the best way to take full advantage of your feeding program was to manage your nute mixing. So you would mix your additives/macros LK Sweet Carbo Load B52 ect, then your NPK Nutes PBP grow/bloom then your benificials voodooo, taranjula, pirana, sub -b sub-m ect. In doing so you will not lock any nutes out in the mixing process. also benificals should be added after the rez and nutes have had time to mix properly. I have had great succes with this and RO water statrting at ph 7 ending in 5.3-5.9
I'm really old school so tons of additives are foreign to me. I sue Ionic nutrients and H2O2, sometimes hygrozyme instead. Thats it.

I mix like this:

1. Ionic Grow/Bloom
2. H2O2 or Hygrozyme
3. Adjust Ph

That's it, I don't really use that many nutrients either. Many cultivated Cannabis strains are very efficient with nutrient uptake and don't nee tons of nutrients.

3)Also true you should definitally use PBP Grow in the first 3 weeks of bloom or till buds start to form. To get over the phos problem i was told using B52 after buds start to form will help this problem.
Couldn't tell you, like I said don't use all that much. Hydroponics really need not be a complicated science project. Plants need a well oxygenated rootzone, and a healthy growing environment. Tons of nutrients and additives are really cool and seem to work well for some but simplicity has worked well for me.

4)Side Note Try Sweet in veg i think you will like it. Just use a little less calmag. i use both together - sweet because it says if used in veg it will help keep plants from becoming soft stemed and lengthy. And my plants are short stocky bushes.
I don't even use calmag. Tap water contains enough of these micronutirents in my experience. Sometimes I run into water that needs a little mag, this becomes apparent pretty quickly and is easily corrected with a little epsom salt.


Like i said i start low and add high. My res is not that high that was the total of my add back mixes my rez sets at

Currently :

Bloom Box - Sprouted 3/8 - pH 5.78/74f/2.34ec/1630ppm/TDS 1330

Veg Box w/2- 2 week old plants from seed started 4/1- pH 5.91/71f/1.51ec 1050ppm/TDS 828

next will be a list of question i am still pondering.
Ok onward!!bongsmiliebongsmilie

Whats going on? So i have a few question.

I have my 2x2x6 grow space with my 250
3 plants in 9gal dwc. The plants look wonderful with no problems. (hopefully)

So my question - I have been doing a lot of reading and so forth and have noticed my plants are so much diff than most. 1st they are on day 6 of veg total of 4-7 in with more growth and root mass than most. The problem lies in the amount of space. i have 1 barneys farm nightshade in the front (indica)
small comparied to the others both Super Lemon Haze- 1 showing sativa phenos and the other more of the indica pheno.
These are the two i am concerned about.
From the beginning they have been veged under the MH250 and now on the HPS250, yet the whole time my light is about 4-6 in above the plant. Because of this along with the multipule toppings they have become bushes. Yet they are short. I place my light really low because i have good air flow and have yet to burn the plants. i also dont have that large space between the stock and starting of growth like most do. Maybe 1" from tote to foliage. I did raise my light so it sits about 9" from the plants to help them strech. Once they reach 1.5 feet from the tote my screen will come into play SCROG
My buddy said because they area is so small once my buds fill out the screen it will be like a rainforest. Lush tops shitty undergrowth. I plan on trimming larger fan leafs throughout flowering to get more light penitration.
Stop you there, don't trim fan leaves. They collect light that becomes energy to make big buds shaded or not. Trim beneath the screen however because that foliage will be shaded by the canopy and you want to concentrate growth in the screen.

and also installing 4 small cfls for suplamental lighting under the screen. Are my bushes going to make this really dificult?
Putting lights under a screen kind of defeats the purpose of the screen and is rather counter-productive. Raise your light a bit and cut back on the nutes a bit and your bushes will stretch out a bit and be easier to screen.

This is my first real grow and have had my bumps in the road - all most killed the plants in flower when i switched them to 12/12 the first time. they got nute lock out from low ph ended cutting off most of the plant and reveged for about a week and a half to get them recovered. Well in doing so they grew back and are super healthy but just really bushy. So maybe i over topped them?
Maybe, let them grow try not to push them in to many directions.

I feel i have the process down pat for what works for me from seed to begining of flowering. But have never gone futher than that and dont quite know what to expect during the flowering process.

so any ideas comments that would help facilitate this learning please voice your opinions.
Sounds good, your style is different than mine but the best teacher is experience. Good luck bro keep me updated:peace:
 

flipsidesw

New Member
Sup Newgrowth!

I cant sleep so ive been wondering on the web. I read this guys post using pbp. I had some opinions that i would like to

share. Sweet and liquid karma shouldnt be raising you ppm that much. With those doses a 50ppm raise would suprise

me. I dont believe in the "carbs" for plant fad. Maybe on an apple tree. I also believe those ppms could be reduced and

have the same effects. Liquid karma is the shit tho! Thats where your getting your resiliance. The best thing a pbp user

can do for his plants his doing the switch that botanicare recomends. After 4 wks switch pbp soil formula. (Its actually a

hydro formula) It will give you much better taste. In the future i would just use the soil formula. PBP hydro better for aeroponics.
Another thing, skip the b-52 yes its good stuff no its not worth it. Liquid karma is doing the same things at half the price.

Get ur res just a lil bit cooler. Youll save nutes and ur plant will love you for it. 65-68 is GREAT. More times than not using

alot of additives will hinder your progress. Dwc with only the basic NPK and pathogen control will produce very nice

results. Just remember your not an alchemist. Give the plants what they need and theyll return the favor. I dont believe

you should even experiment with additive until you know what the basic nutrients can do. Youll find that most growers

with good dope have very simple nutrient profiles. I wouldnt even use cal mag until the plants start showing a deficiency.

You shouldnt even need to do add backs. Just add water til its time to change. Small ress' needs changed more. Add backs

can throw everything off. Once the res has been used for a couple days theres no telling whats in the water any more.

Ok time for sleep now. Ill be on tomorrow peace
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
Sup Newgrowth!

I cant sleep so ive been wondering on the web. I read this guys post using pbp. I had some opinions that i would like to

share. Sweet and liquid karma shouldnt be raising you ppm that much. With those doses a 50ppm raise would suprise

me. I dont believe in the "carbs" for plant fad. Maybe on an apple tree. I also believe those ppms could be reduced and

have the same effects. Liquid karma is the shit tho! Thats where your getting your resiliance. The best thing a pbp user

can do for his plants his doing the switch that botanicare recomends. After 4 wks switch pbp soil formula. (Its actually a

hydro formula) It will give you much better taste. In the future i would just use the soil formula. PBP hydro better for aeroponics.
Another thing, skip the b-52 yes its good stuff no its not worth it. Liquid karma is doing the same things at half the price.

Get ur res just a lil bit cooler. Youll save nutes and ur plant will love you for it. 65-68 is GREAT. More times than not using

alot of additives will hinder your progress. Dwc with only the basic NPK and pathogen control will produce very nice

results. Just remember your not an alchemist. Give the plants what they need and theyll return the favor. I dont believe

you should even experiment with additive until you know what the basic nutrients can do. Youll find that most growers

with good dope have very simple nutrient profiles. I wouldnt even use cal mag until the plants start showing a deficiency.

You shouldnt even need to do add backs. Just add water til its time to change. Small ress' needs changed more. Add backs

can throw everything off. Once the res has been used for a couple days theres no telling whats in the water any more.

Ok time for sleep now. Ill be on tomorrow peace
Very well said flip good to see you around, how id your test go?

hey newgrowth can u tell me if iam using right kind of nutrients? iam using a water solubale 20-20-20-mix for veg and a 10-54-10 bloom plus for flowering heres my thread check it out tell me what u think https://www.rollitup.org/aerogardeners/170475-aerogarden.html
Are you using the tabs? I see SICC is on your thread he uses those and did a couple aerogarden grows.
 

sophanox

Well-Known Member
hey newgrowth, I was just wondering if you could give me some advice...

I'm gonna invest in a 8 plant nft system, but as this is my second grow, I'm gonna be starting from seed. Thus, I was wondering what I should do with the seeds, because when they sprout they wont have long enough roots for the NFT. Should I make a temporary dwc or something?

Also, as I'm growing from seed, I'll obviously end with some males - will I be alright just removing them as best I can, then use sensi Zym to remove the dead roots?

Thanks a lot for your help =)
 

plantman969

Active Member
Sup Newgrowth!

1)Sweet and liquid karma shouldnt be raising you ppm that much. With those doses a 50ppm raise would suprise me.
I also believe those ppms could be reduced and have the same effects.

2)do for his plants his doing the switch that botanicare recomends. After 4 wks switch pbp soil formula. (Its actually a
hydro formula) It will give you much better taste. In the future i would just use the soil formula. PBP hydro better for aeroponics.

3)Another thing, skip the b-52 yes its good stuff no its not worth it. Liquid karma is doing the same things at half the price.

4)Get ur res just a lil bit cooler. Youll save nutes and ur plant will love you for it. 65-68 is GREAT. More times than not using alot of additives will hinder your progress. Dwc with only the basic NPK and pathogen control will produce very nice results.

5)I dont believe you should even experiment with additive until you know what the basic nutrients can do. Youll find that most growers with good dope have very simple nutrient profiles.

6)I wouldnt even use cal mag until the plants start showing a deficiency.

7)You shouldnt even need to do add backs. Just add water til its time to change. Small ress' needs changed more. Add backs can throw everything off. Once the res has been used for a couple days theres no telling whats in the water any more.

1) I dont understand? what ppms are you getting with those dosages. Sweet-10mL on bottle says it will give you 50ppm (MG), 75 ppm Sulfur (S), and 2ppm Iron (I) per 10ml total 127ppm. so 12ml yes should only give me a ppm shift of no more than 150ppm - My shif was 330ppm. What else have we learned with ANY NUTE PRODUCT dont trust the bottle-use 1/4 strength ect. So a swing of 330ppm not really a surprise. LK does not list a suggested ppm but at .1% (N), .1% (P), and .5% (K) along with the .01%Humic Acid, and the .01% Yucca extract there will be a shift in your ppm/tds. And again do you trust the suggested bottle dose? From my understanding with "organic" based nutes ppm reading along with ec and tds are going to be different because of the "organic matter" in the spicific nutes. This is why i have posted the info. I am trying to understand the "chemistry" of growing along with growing its self.

2)Please explain i have been reading somthing along those lines. I have heard that for the soil its best to use during flowering and use PBP Grow for veg. Or are you saying it is better to use the PBP Soil all the way through?

3) NO they are not the same thing: Sorry do you read your bottles? Seariously, But I do agree i got screwed with the price. I will not buy in the future, but i will get a shit ton of uses out of 1 bottle. I feed and use this very sparingly. Because Nutes are useually in a concintrate form and are stronger or can very from bottle to bottle.
Also any AN nute can deffinitally be cut down as far as total mL used.

B-52: is 2-1-4 NPK - Fertilizer Booster
LK: .1-.1-.5 NPK - Growth Stimulant

B-52: used in first growth-veg, stop during trans period, and if you want you can continue to use during bloom if you feel your plants can benifit from them.

LK: Used throughout your plants life because YES it is the shit.

4) Yes they may like it a bit cooler and they did when i was not using mycos. but with the use of mycos such as Voodoo Juice AN, Myco-madness Humboldt Nutes, OrganisimXL from roots organic. The benificals in these products will thrive on slightly higher temps. Which in turn allows your plant to uptake nutes better. So for my situation lower rez temps would hinder the products. So yes ou are right plants like the cooler rez temps if you are using benificals its better to go little higher as long as they dont pass 78-80 + range because then you are running a much higher risk of bad bactiria/alge.

5) I do understand what basic nutes do. I am not new to growing just new to cultivating cannibus. All my life my family has grown up with growing our own veggies and fruits. But i also understand the positive side of using benificials which are proven to help plants grow, create a larger root mass hence allwoing for a larger nutrient uptake healthyer plants larger stronger stocks. So maybe you should look into improving your nutes. and making your plants happier. Where are your photos and nute listing along with the the info on your nutes and how they effect what? That is why i posted to help more people understand exactly how and what each thing can do. Its a nice table to compare to. Granted my spelling sucks. Againg you are correct in that most growers with good dope have simple nutes sheduals look at newgrowth his is super simple and he gets results. But IMO anyone can benifit in using benificals i trully think they are along with lk are the keys to my success up to this point. But you cannot use H2O2 when using benificals because it will kill them.

6) I use RO/Distiled water which would requier Calcium and Magnisium. Hence the Use of Calmag and Sweet- which puts a little more Mg in the mix which is removed faster during early growth. Also Sweet as stated on the bottle if used during veg it prevents plants leggy and soft stemed in the presence of high N levels also helps during trans period to help in the presence of low N levels. why wait for the plant to show a defficency problem when you can avoid it by having no problems? Also seems counter productive to allow your plant to get to the point of showing the defficency problem.

7) So I Ask: Are you quoting from shit you read or Shit you know. Because If i changed my res as often as you suggest my plants would never have time to take in the full effect of my nute ccombo and it would be a waste of nutes. I mix full strenght - half sstrength nutes for add back because i start each res with ver little nutes. I take my readings and see what newgrowth is always having to state because most people dont read the whole log before posting. and that is

ppm goes up, ph goes down=less nutes
ppm goes down, ph goes up=more nutes
ppm stable, ph goes up= normal h2o/nute uptake.

so with this i just add back till i reach the 3rd point ppm stable ph going up

but in the past week with add backs eveything s stable so i can give you my new #'s alog with the weekly numbers for each day along with add back totals and how they were mixed.

1-what size res are you using to the total number of gallons accually used in the res. Ie my tote 14gal tote - but H2O/nutes gallons used 9. For my 10gallon tote i use 6gallons of water.

2-What nutes do you use how do you mix them, in what order, what happens when you mix them, why do you use them what is you #'s when adding each nute? and How offten do you check your res #'s?

3- What are your water - nute ratios?
 

NewGrowth

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hey newgrowth, I was just wondering if you could give me some advice...

I'm gonna invest in a 8 plant nft system, but as this is my second grow, I'm gonna be starting from seed. Thus, I was wondering what I should do with the seeds, because when they sprout they wont have long enough roots for the NFT. Should I make a temporary dwc or something?

Also, as I'm growing from seed, I'll obviously end with some males - will I be alright just removing them as best I can, then use sensi Zym to remove the dead roots?

Thanks a lot for your help =)
What medium are you using to start seeds? Usually the water level is adjustable on NFT systems. Sometimes I hand water for a week or so and let the medium dry out a bit between waterings so the roots grow downward seeking water.
 

sophanox

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What medium are you using to start seeds? Usually the water level is adjustable on NFT systems. Sometimes I hand water for a week or so and let the medium dry out a bit between waterings so the roots grow downward seeking water.
I'm going to use grodan rockwool cubes. Can I just leave the seedlings in there and water the cubes untill they are tall enough to be put in the nft?

Thanks a lot man
 

howak47

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Very well said flip good to see you around, how id your test go?



Are you using the tabs? I see SICC is on your thread he uses those and did a couple aerogarden grows.
no iam not using tabs i have pic of nutrients on thread its a water soulable 20-20-20 mix
 

NewGrowth

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no iam not using tabs i have pic of nutrients on thread its a water soulable 20-20-20 mix
Sorry man just been busy. I looked through your grow journal and saw the nutrients. I think those will cause you problems b/c they are for soil not hydroponics.

Try to find something made for hydroponics, even those Aerogardens tabs seem to work well for some people.:peace:
 

plantman969

Active Member
Newgrowth,

can you please help me understand the flower phase.

what i mean is i am in week 2 of bloom and all is good but want to understand before i get there.

1)How does the nute intake differ. I know you trans from grow to bloom mixing both during this time and then once buds start you can lay off the grow and focus on the bloom nutes. Because the plant no longer needs (N), and needs more (P) and (K).

2) I guess what would be the best way to help stack buds and keep flavor. Some bump up the (P) and (K) levels the last 3 weeks before flush. Am i correct?

3) Or can u explain the concept of say (example only) AN - bud blood, big bud, overdrive, final phase or Foxfarms - open sesame, bestie blooms, and cha ching. Both are "Formulas For Success."
 

NewGrowth

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Newgrowth,

can you please help me understand the flower phase.

what i mean is i am in week 2 of bloom and all is good but want to understand before i get there.

1)How does the nute intake differ. I know you trans from grow to bloom mixing both during this time and then once buds start you can lay off the grow and focus on the bloom nutes. Because the plant no longer needs (N), and needs more (P) and (K).
It depends, in early flower I usually make sure they have enough Nitrogen. There is a stretch period when you change the light cycle for flowering. The plants have a growth spurt and then start forming buds. It is a good idea to provide some nitrogen throughout flower just not too much or you will get leafy bud. A good bloom nutrient should have some nitrogen as well.


2) I guess what would be the best way to help stack buds and keep flavor. Some bump up the (P) and (K) levels the last 3 weeks before flush. Am i correct?
This is kind of a myth. Plants are not like animals that can be "fattened" with extra food. A plant will only use as much nutrient as it needs to grow, a little extra can be stored in the leaves. The trick is to find the "sweet" spot where your plants are getting exactly what they need and no extra. Hydroponics makes that easy because you can track your ppm levels.

3) Or can u explain the concept of say (example only) AN - bud blood, big bud, overdrive, final phase or Foxfarms - open sesame, bestie blooms, and cha ching. Both are "Formulas For Success."
I don't use any of those products although some people have success with them. The idea of a "bloom booster" is to provide more readily available P-K in mid to late stage flowering. I've seen a lot of people burn their plants using bloom boosters and then exclaim how great they are.
Keep it simple and be sure you have a good understanding of basic hydroponics before you jump into tons of additives. Good luck bro! :peace:
 

sophanox

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Hey newgrowth,

I'm gonna be growing from seed in an NFT and thus will have males which I will need to remove. I was thus wondering will I be alright to just pull them out carefully and then use sensi zym or something similar to kill off the dead roots?

Also I have a general question if that's ok - I was thinking of forcing the plants to show sex as soon as poss by covering a lower branch with a black plastic bag, thus puttin that branch into flowering. I was wondering how early you'd recommend doing this? Like after 3 nodes or something?

Thanks a lot man =)
 

NewGrowth

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Hey newgrowth,

I'm gonna be growing from seed in an NFT and thus will have males which I will need to remove. I was thus wondering will I be alright to just pull them out carefully and then use sensi zym or something similar to kill off the dead roots?
Try to remove as much as possible but the enzyme should clear up the rest, hygrozyme works well for me.

Also I have a general question if that's ok - I was thinking of forcing the plants to show sex as soon as poss by covering a lower branch with a black plastic bag, thus puttin that branch into flowering. I was wondering how early you'd recommend doing this? Like after 3 nodes or something?

Thanks a lot man =)
How old are your plants? Mature plants (a month or older) should start to show some pre-flowers. It usually occurs right after you see alternating nodes. Look 3-4 nodes up for them. You could do the bag at any time, I would just put over one branch.
 
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