Hydroponics Question and Answer NewGrowth Style

trdank said:

I don't have rockwool in my area. I want to know if perlite and hydroton are good enough to use from start to finish when using a homemade DWC bubbler? sysytem

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Yes that will work fine if you are using cuttings. For seed you will have to use a starting media (rockwool, rapid rooters, ect.)

Why not put the cubes into the net pots before hand then just transfer them to your DWC flower space pot and all?

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Thanks newgrowth - so could I put netpots in an NFT? Sorry it hasn't actually arrived yet, I'm just trying to plan things hypothetically - cheers!

Thought I'd share with everyone...

Started in Ebb/Flow under 600 HPS...

Transplanted to soil last weekend...

NewGrowth check this out and tell me what u think. Do you think it is worth it and do you think it will work in a dwc

This first-of-its-kind system generates the CO2 needed for aquatic plants to perform photosynthesis.


http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754083

Hagen CO2 Natural Plant System provides plants with a key nutrient that is lacking in most aquariums, Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This self-contained system generates the CO2 needed for aquatic plants to perform photosynthesis. This natural fermentation system has been designed to provide a simple and effective approach to providing dissolved CO2. Using a proven concept, every component has been carefully conceived to enhance performance. The level of CO2 generated by this system is ideally suited to most planted aquariums illuminated with fluorescent lighting.

• Designed for tanks up to 20 U.S. gallons (75 l), for larger aquariums use multiple units
• Dramatic results in 15-20 days
• Enhances growth, condition and color of aquatic plants
• Creates healthier aquatic eco-system

Size: 3" diameter x 7¾" high (8¼" with airline adapter)
Includes: a fermentation canister, bubble diffuser and 90 days' worth of activator and stabilizer. Simply add water and regular table sugar (not included) to begin the process.

sophanox said:

Thanks newgrowth - so could I put netpots in an NFT? Sorry it hasn't actually arrived yet, I'm just trying to plan things hypothetically - cheers!

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Maybe depends on how the system is designed.

plantman969 said:

NewGrowth check this out and tell me what u think. Do you think it is worth it and do you think it will work in a dwc

This first-of-its-kind system generates the CO2 needed for aquatic plants to perform photosynthesis.


http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754083

Hagen CO2 Natural Plant System provides plants with a key nutrient that is lacking in most aquariums, Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This self-contained system generates the CO2 needed for aquatic plants to perform photosynthesis. This natural fermentation system has been designed to provide a simple and effective approach to providing dissolved CO2. Using a proven concept, every component has been carefully conceived to enhance performance. The level of CO2 generated by this system is ideally suited to most planted aquariums illuminated with fluorescent lighting.

• Designed for tanks up to 20 U.S. gallons (75 l), for larger aquariums use multiple units
• Dramatic results in 15-20 days
• Enhances growth, condition and color of aquatic plants
• Creates healthier aquatic eco-system

Size: 3" diameter x 7¾" high (8¼" with airline adapter)
Includes: a fermentation canister, bubble diffuser and 90 days' worth of activator and stabilizer. Simply add water and regular table sugar (not included) to begin the process.

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I know they sell fermentation kits similar to this that Generate CO2. I personally have never used CO2. I doubt this little kit would generate enough CO2 to actually be beneficial. Real results are seen at 1200-1400 ppm.

Gypsy-

Thanks for more beautiful pictures. Sunflowers are really cool

Thought I'd share and ask your views on this article...

Cheers....

I also wonder what you make of this post...

Major Tom said:

Holy shit I think I know why my plant was having a hard time to bloom!!!!

The fucking CLF's glow for HOURS after you turn them off!

I discovered this being on a war path to find any light leaks this being the first 12/12 day of my second grow



Get in your bloom room next time and see how you can use the CLF's to walk around in the so called pitch black room, NOT

There not old bulbs yet !


There on my bench in another room, just the bulbs and there STILL glowing WTF?


I will only use CLF during Veg ever again

You can light seal the room but who would have thought the CLF's would be still glowing for hours afterwards inside the tent?

Picture are of the poor thing hovering in veg confusion.

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GB I didnt read the whole entire article man. Figured id just ask ya straight out. Does that end with a bad conclusion or what bro. Because ive been supplementing my tubs with 3-5 mL of 3% peroxide for the longest time and never seen any ill effects.
Matter of fact its very beneficial to plants in early seedling and clone stages.. Furthermore. Ive saved non taproot germing seeds with it as well.
Ive heard alot of bad stuff about peroxide man especially lately. Maybe not for the beginner but deffinetely the cheapest alternate to whatever the more expensive oxygen enriching supplements are supposed to do.
It helps PH fluctuations as well. Im not sure if the expensive stuff does that tho ive never splurged on it.

You gotta read it dude...

I am just an ignorant bastard trying to make heads and tails of it all...

I don't know shit.. that is why I posted, asking people's thoughts...lol...

Take a second to read it, you will not regret it...

GypsyBush said:

Thought I'd share and ask your views on this article...

Cheers....

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Is that from Urban gardener Gypsy? I'm pretty sure I read that article. I'm still not sure about that magazine. I'll have to read a few more issues to see if they are not just shamelessly endorsing products they advertise.
I really like Hygrozyme it is a great product.

That said H202 also has it's place and yes it can damage roots in high concentrations. But it is the best product to clear out excess salts and really clean out any hydro system.

I think that article was too harsh, when used properly H202 is a great addition to hydro. Most people run too low concentrations to have any effect anyway. I have yet to see a thread where someone killed their plants with too much h202 . . . .

GypsyBush said:

I also wonder what you make of this post...

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Jeeze, I just ignore stuff like that man. If people an not even type in a normal sized font and be coherent I just ignore them. And CFL's don't glow after you turn them off that's just retarded.

onthedl0008 said:

GB I didnt read the whole entire article man. Figured id just ask ya straight out. Does that end with a bad conclusion or what bro. Because ive been supplementing my tubs with 3-5 mL of 3% peroxide for the longest time and never seen any ill effects.
Matter of fact its very beneficial to plants in early seedling and clone stages.. Furthermore. Ive saved non taproot germing seeds with it as well.
Ive heard alot of bad stuff about peroxide man especially lately. Maybe not for the beginner but deffinetely the cheapest alternate to whatever the more expensive oxygen enriching supplements are supposed to do.
It helps PH fluctuations as well. Im not sure if the expensive stuff does that tho ive never splurged on it.

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You run way to low concentrations to ever damage your plants. The "bad" stuff you hear happens from time to time. Stick with what works for you man.

GypsyBush said:

You gotta read it dude...

I am just an ignorant bastard trying to make heads and tails of it all...

I don't know shit.. that is why I posted, asking people's thoughts...lol...

Take a second to read it, you will not regret it...

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I thought the article on mycorrhizal inoculum was better. Did you read that one gypsy?

NewGrowth said:

Is that from Urban gardener Gypsy? I'm pretty sure I read that article. I'm still not sure about that magazine. I'll have to read a few more issues to see if they are not just shamelessly endorsing products they advertise.

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It is...

That is the reason I brought it over here..

I don't know this shit and I don't want to take some dude's word for it just because he has a billboard...lol... I mean a magazine...

NewGrowth said:

I really like Hygrozyme it is a great product.

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I use it and love it too... my clones now have glow in the dark noodles for roots...lol....

but... check this thread...

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/182651-anyone-have-problems-hygrozyme.html

NewGrowth said:

I thought the article on mycorrhizal inoculum was better. Did you read that one gypsy?

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Not yet... but I will...

Thanks NG..!!

Thanks Bro. Hope all is well. Peace.

Need some more Gypsy clutter?

Here...lol..

I did a partial harvest on one of the trays...

The stash is getting low, so it's time to do some drying...

I didn't weigh them wet, but I know this will be my lowest yield so far....

These are some of the clones that I accidentally spilled some of my miniaturizing potion on, so while they are not full blown miniatures, they are pretty dang small...lol...

I expect no more than 10g each on average.. and that sucks!!!

Anyways.. here is the drying rack...

2 seperate strains growing in same area, the taller ones new growth leaves at the top seem to be abnormally skinnier, and seems like this is only happening torwards the top bud sites. Temps are about 30 C daytime, water about 68 F. any guesses what this is? week 4 flowering

NG... I want you opinion...

I am seriously considering retrofitting my trays with a fogger...

I would still flood and drain, but I would have the fogger on all times (lights ON only right?)

The plants would be on netpots hanging from a tray lid with the holes cut out..

This is what I have been reading over and over..lol..

Thanks!

http://nutramist.com/retrofit.html

motif said:

2 seperate strains growing in same area, the taller ones new growth leaves at the top seem to be abnormally skinnier, and seems like this is only happening torwards the top bud sites. Temps are about 30 C daytime, water about 68 F. any guesses what this is? week 4 flowering

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Have any pictures? Skinnier how? Are the curling or burnt?

GypsyBush said:

NG... I want you opinion...

I am seriously considering retrofitting my trays with a fogger...

I would still flood and drain, but I would have the fogger on all times (lights ON only right?)

The plants would be on netpots hanging from a tray lid with the holes cut out..

This is what I have been reading over and over..lol..

Thanks!

http://nutramist.com/retrofit.html

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That was interesting Gypsy. I've had good experience with fog improving growth rates and reducing the amount of nutrients I use. Those Nutramist foggers are pretty cool but WAY overpriced. You can get the same fogger for 1/4 the cost @ mainlandmart.com The only problem is figuring out how to direct the fog, I wish I could look at one of those nutramist set-ups to see how the fog is directed. I assume a small fan?

NewGrowth said:

Have any pictures? Skinnier how? Are the curling or burnt?

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the leaves are like blades, super skinny. Some are curling but i think thats because my tarp was leaning on em. And there is a slight curl AND burnt tips on most higher leaves. Like tiny bit. but the tips (not side margin of leaves) curl UP and are slightly browned i think from a slight nute burn.

pictures dont do justice with my phone camera.

Im using a 600watt HPS Hortilux bulb, and the light is about 15" above the top of the canopy. I have a fan level with the reflector blowing the heat off the canopy. Also the length of the white hairs are much longer towards the lower/middle of the plant. The higher up the plant you look, the shorter the length of the hairs get.

heres a picture, but it really doesnt show much of the problem i have....

Any suggestions?

motif said:

the leaves are like blades, super skinny. Some are curling but i think thats because my tarp was leaning on em. And there is a slight curl AND burnt tips on most higher leaves. Like tiny bit. but the tips (not side margin of leaves) curl UP and are slightly browned i think from a slight nute burn.

pictures dont do justice with my phone camera.

Im using a 600watt HPS Hortilux bulb, and the light is about 15" above the top of the canopy. I have a fan level with the reflector blowing the heat off the canopy. Also the length of the white hairs are much longer towards the lower/middle of the plant. The higher up the plant you look, the shorter the length of the hairs get.

heres a picture, but it really doesnt show much of the problem i have....

Any suggestions?

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They look healthy to me, most leaf deformation is caused by a Ph problem. From what i can see your plants look great. You may jut have some sativa genetic resulting in thinner leaves.

NewGrowth said:

They look healthy to me, most leaf deformation is caused by a Ph problem. From what i can see your plants look great. You may jut have some sativa genetic resulting in thinner leaves.

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thanks NG, i think the shorter hairs on the top were just because my tarp kept leaning on em and breaking em off.

But as far as the VERY TIPS of the leaves turning brown and curling up, is this a heat related symptom, or slight nute burn??

motif said:

thanks NG, i think the shorter hairs on the top were just because my tarp kept leaning on em and breaking em off.

But as far as the VERY TIPS of the leaves turning brown and curling up, is this a heat related symptom, or slight nute burn??

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Can really be a lot of things. It is usually indicative of slight burn like you said, it is also characterized by very dark green leaves. Heat stress usually involves leaf rolling and crisp, burnt leaf margins.