I believe in God, He is REAL to me!

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Roseman

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I accept and profess that the Universe and all of creation that we know of, operates on tens of thousands of PRINCIPLES and LAWS that most of the educated are aware of and we easily accept as facts.

Some examples of these Laws and Principles are the Law of Gravity, for instance. Our planets revolve around the sun, and are held in absolute perfect positions, or they would just fly off into outer space or collide into each other. If we throw a baseball upward into the air, it will return on a downward path that is perfect in relationship to the path it traveled upward. That ball will obey that law.

There is the Law of Procreation. A sperm has to be delivered to and enter the egg at a perfect precise time, to make a new born. Us pot growers know Male Pollen has to enter the female flower at a perfect time to make a new flower.

The Law of CAUSE AND AFFECT, or the Law of CAUSE and EFFECT. We all accept that when we throw a rubber ball on the concrete walkway, that it will bounce back up in a pre-determined direction.. We know the law of Physics if we shoot pool. AND If we line up a standing stack of Dominoes, and push the first one over, the remaining Dominoes will also tumble over. Most of us accept as fact, what goes around, comes around, OR What comes around, goes around, be it a bad cold, or gossip or whatever. IF we strike a person with a harmful blow, the most normal and natural reaction is for that person to strike us back. It's a natural Law. Many of us that are older and wiser also have learned that if we throw a piece of chewing gum on the concrete walkway, we will eventually live to step on a piece of chewing gum thrown on the sidewalk. If we cheat on our spouse, well, we all know what happens. We call it KARMA, or REAP WHAT WE SEW, or the Law of Cause and Effect, or WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND. We have all experienced that law or principle in action.

There is the Law or Principle of Duality. There is LIGHT and Darkness, Male and Female, Good and Bad, UP and Down, Left and Right, Two eyes, two ears, two lungs, two nostrils, two arms, two hands, two genders, two equal and opposite parts, two equal and exactly the same parts, etc. It is still Duality. Who could argue with this?

The Law of Rythm. The "pendulum swings" manifests in everything. The measure of the swing to the left is the same perfect measure of the swing to the right. This law operates in life quite visibly with people who are bipolar. One day they're up, the next they're down. For most people, the law is realized when they become very, very happy. The law dictates that someday they will be very, very sad. When pain stops, it feel good.

The Law of Cycles. We obseve the perfect cycles of the seasons, the tides and ocean waves, the menstrul cycles of women, the revolving of the plants, Good Times, Bad Times, Good Luck, Bad Luck, The fish are biting, the fish are not biting, Floods and Droughts, the cycle of the Oak tree with it's leaves dying and being born again, the sap rising and lowering in the trees, etc We all accept that life occurs in cycles.

The Laws of Polarity. Everything has its opposite. Again, DARK-LIGHT, MALE-FEMALE. This law helps us to understand the perfect principles of the flow of Electricity, the principles of yin and yang. Some energy attracts and some energy repels. One is not better than the other but both exist equally. I like to think of the astronomical world where one body can capture another by pulling it into its sphere of influence. This principle can be understood in life when we recognize the truth in this saying: If you want him to be more of a man, be more of a woman. If you want to get more, give more.

The Laws of Love. The love you take, is equal to the love you make, or give. (Paul McCartney said it)

The Laws of Vibrations. Atoms, Neutrons, etc Everything vibrates. we ARE ALL connected. Nothing is still. Nothing is NEW. This Law helps us to understand the essence of things. It is this fine network of vibrations that connects us with every other living thing. You might picture it as an invisible world wide web. It is in tune with the vibrations of the universe that we attract and are attracted to every experience in our life. To use a metaphor, suppose you like country and western music. If you set your radio dial to country and western you will not hear classical or jazz music. If you vibrate at a peaceful level, you will not meet people who are violent. Sleep with dogs, get fleas. Hang with gentle people, avoid violence.


The Laws of Mentalism. What we see in this physical world, EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS IN THIS PHYSICAL WORLD, that man made, first existed as a thought. (GETTING DEEP)

The Laws of Attraction, and Repelling.

AND I COULD GO ON AND ON. Like I said there are thousands and thousands of these Laws and Principles that we all accept and beleive.

IF no one ever read a book, and was of average intelligence, he would observe these Laws and Principles in life, in the world that surrounds us and accept them.

These LAWS create, they nurture, they protect, they "cause" , and these LAWS for the most part, operate for the betterment of us all. They seem to operate on LOVE and GIVING, instead of HATE and TAKING. They encourage, and do not discourage. Yea, if we stick our hand in the fire, it burns our hand and hurts, that's a LAW, but it is to protect us from jumping our entire bodies into the fire. These LAWS are operated and caused by FORCES that I think none of us understand. I don't understand my microwave or TV remote, but I still use it.

Regardless of our understanding, these FORCES and LAWS do exist, and people, seekers and philosophers and prophets like Abraham, Moses, Socretes, Pythagoras, Jesus, Mohammed, Budha, Ghandi, etc, studied these LAWS, and gave them a personality, or Idenity, and they shared their meditations and conclusions with us all. A majority of people accept these conclusions, although we do not all accept the same conclusions. These seekers and philosophers and prophets called it THE FORCE, ALMIGHTY POWER, A CREATOR, that they called GOD . They also gave this GOD a personality, a gender, like an enity, called him KING, and other high titles, and they gave it a name; Jehovah, Allah, Zeus, Apollo, etc.

I have come to believe in and accept this Power and Force, and these LAWS and Principles, what I call and we call GOD. They work for me, they serve me well, they give me peace and underestanding. HE works for me, HE serves me well, HE gives me peace and underestanding. I don't have or use any of the suggested names, and I certainly do not accept any particular or specific denomination or religion given by man. But this GOD and the Laws and Principles are worthy of my time and research, my respect and study and meditations. Because of these LAWS and Principles I know what to expect more times than I do not, I have a Power or FORCE to beleive in and LAWS and Principles to count on and rely on and trust in. Just like I know if I throw a ball up into the air, it will return down, I know IF I do good deeds, my life will be better and IF I do mean things, my life will not be better and will be not as good. (CAUSE AND AFFECT) I have learned to chose good over evil, good over bad, light over darkness.

I have sought and searched and researched this subject to the point it almost over took me, more so back in the 70s and 80s. I still do today. I am a very avid reader of Non-fiction, about "where did I come from, why am I here, who made me, created or started me, who is GOD, what is God, and I read at least one to two books a week now about this.
My favorites are THE HISTORY OF GOD, and THE HISTORY OF RELIGION.

I have to ask myself are one half billion Jews wrong, one billion Muslims wrong and one billion Christians wrong, and nearly one quarter billion Hindu and Budhist wrong, for accepting the existance of GOD?
JESUS ?
I easily understand the difficulty with JESUS. we are told in "the Bible" that he was born of a virgin, walked on water, died and came back to life, and was the only man in History to do that. That is hard to beleive. (Yes I know of MIRTHA and pagan's Mithraism and the others who claimed ressurection in mythology)

So was Jesus' life a myth? When I read Josephus, the Roman Historian, all educated people accept and believe his account of Roman History. Historians accept and believe every word he wrote about Roman History, EXCEPT his account of Jesus, his teachings and his death. Josephus wrote that Jesus was a well known, well traveled preacher and teacher that was crucifed by Rome, at eh demand of the Jewish Priests, and that many, "hundreds of his followers" claimed to have seen Jesus after his death.

I have to ask myself how did Jesus and a dozen followers, along with a book composed of many shorter books and stories, convince over a billion people to follow his teachings and beliefs today?

I am amazed to read and study the cause of death of the twelve apostles. Peter AND his wife were brought to Rome, and told "Deny HIM and live, Claim HIM, and be crucified AND WATCH YOUR WIFE BE CRUCIFIED FIRST RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!" Peter responded, according to Josephus, tht he did not deserve to die like Jesus died, so they crucified him UPSIDE DOWN. PETER DIED ON THE CROSS, AND HIS WIFE TOO, as Peter watched.. WHY didn't Peter and the other apostles just take the easy way out?
(google death of the apostles)

And of the other eleven apostles, ten were given the opportunity to live, or be tortured, burnt at the stake, drawn and quartered, cut in half, stabbed, and they chose DEATH and TORTURE over living. WHY?

FAITH is defined as beleviing in the unseen.
Like I never saw the planet Pluto, or any neutrons, or atoms, or Abraham Lincoln or George Washington. Do you beleive in them? Because they have been revealed to me by others, and proven to me to be real by wiser and more educated and knowledgable people who did the research and study, in books, and stories, I accept them and believe in them. FAITH is just that, FAITH. You accept or you do not.

I have an apple sitting right here on my desk. Do you know whether if it is sweet or sour? Of course not. Why not? Because you have not tasted my apple, no matter what anyone tells you, you do not really, really know how it tastes. But what if a billon others tasted it first, right before your eyes, and told you, it tasted sweet. Wouldn't you lean toward being convinced that it is probably a sweet apple?

Well, I have tasted GOD, as many others have. And I have tasted Jesus. And OHHHH , how sweet He is.

I took an hour and half to write this, so I'm going to post it as a new thread. Maybe someone will get it.
Now nail me to a tree. I do expect the doubters, and non-believers to argue and attack. The heathens do that.
 

AeroKing

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I believe that every point you make can be argued with another point. I believe that you don't know if there is a GOD and I believe you can't know if there is a GOD. I also believe that everybody has a right to believe what they would like and that the name of religion had caused great good in this world and there has been much evil done under the name of GOD. I also believe that you are going to stir up a shit storm :)
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
So shoot me.
I do know there is a Source of Life and Power and Natural Laws.
I believe no one knows what a pair of shoes will feel like, until they try them on.
I belevie that no one will know what my apple tastes like until they taste it.

Now I just turned 60 years old, and have been a radical hippie all of my life.
Ask yourself, why would an old hippy man, with 4 years of college and a successful business owner, spend several hours a day, helping newbies that he will never know or meet, grow pot? For REP points ? LOL Why would I stick my neck out and create this thread? I'm jsut giving, I 'm just paying it forward, I am planting what I want to harvest.
How often do you meet a person that genuinely cares?
I wish everyone could taste my apple and try these shoes on first, then see what it feels like.
You'd like it.
 

AeroKing

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wait, you want me to know what it feels like to be 60? j/k.

Roseman, you are obviously not one who goes through life blindly, letting everyone else tell you what you should believe.

You don't believe just because you were raised that way, or because you're afraid you'll rot in hell if you don't.

You've made your own decision based on what you've witnessed through your lifetime, which IMO, makes you very entitled to it.

I hope I didn't offend you. I'm personally agnostic. I don't believe that anybody can truly know either way. I do think that there is probably a GOD, but I accept that I cannot prove or disprove it either way.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
One way that I have tasted God.

You know when you really feel God’s presence, or as I say, Taste God, you’ll get a warm fuzzy feeling. Let me tell you a story.

Back in the early 70s, I was happily married and had a daughter, about 5 years old. Her name was Amanda, we called her Mandy.
She was such a sweet angel and joy to me and her mother. My entire family attended church then. We had a relationship with a Higher Power we called God. And even then, though, we did not believe half of what that preacher said.
Let me repeat that this was in about 1974. I had a clerical job much better than my friends had, and I took home $76 a week. That was good money back then. A coke was 6 cents, cigarettes were 25 cent a pack, $2.00 carton. Eggs were 29 cents a dozen, and we spent a big $20 a week on groceries and drinks.

Saturday was my day with Mandy, my off day from work. I normally just included her with my chores, and she just hung along as I did the yard work and worked on my “honey do” list.

One Saturday, Many and I were shopping at Woolworth’s Department Store in downtown. When we got in line, about third at the cash register, she saw them. Hanging on a card was those cheap, plastic, imitation, fake, Barbie-doll pearls. I often bought her a toy or treat on Saturdays, back then 35 cents would buy a coloring book and crayons. $1.29 would buy a nice baby doll. But because those cheap fake pearls had BARBIE DOLL on them, they were priced $2.95!
Daddy, please buy me those pearls, she cried. Please, Please!. (I’m not going to fool with quotation marks here) I took them off the hook and saw that $2.95 price tag and had to say NO WAY, Mandy, No Way! But Daddy, please, I love you, they are pretty, they are real Barbie Doll, they look real, I want them, I want them, please, daddy, please. I had to tell her NO, I only brought $7.00 with me and was on a budget. $2.95 was a lot of money then. So I told her, darling, you will have a birthday in 2 weeks. You already have a dollar in your piggy bank. You know Grandma will send you a dollar in her birthday card to you then, and the neighbor, Mrs Johnson has been begging you to come help her pull weeds out of her flowers. You could make and earn $2.95 within a week, and buy them for yourself. She proudly put her hands on her hips and siad I will surely do that, daddy, I will work and save my money and buy them for myself.
And she did just that. As soon as we got home, she deserted me to visit Mrs Johnson. Mrs Johnson gave her 50 cents to spend the afternoon with her, pulling weeds. Mandy came home about 5 pm, dirty as a pig. Daddy, I got 50 cents!, she bragged to me. And I am saving my money to buy me those Barbie Doll pearls. ( did I mention they were cheap fake, plastic, on a rubber band, they should have been 39 cents.)
So she went back to Mrs Johnson’s on the next Saturday and returned dirty and tired, with another 50 cents. She was so proud. She got her birthday dollar that week from her Grandma, and with $3.00 started begging, when are we going back to Woolworths, when are we going back to Woolworths?

The next Saturday, I took her to Woolworths, and we found and she bought the Barbie Doll, Expensive, fake, plastic pearls. I gave her the 8 cents she needed for the sale tax, and she made me promise to giver her a way to earn that 8 cents, so she could claim she bought them entirely with her own money.

That child loved those pearls, she wore them everywhere, every day, and for the whole next year, she would not take them off. One Saturday evening, her mama told me, you know she wears them in her bath too. I am so afraid that rubber band is going to break soon, and we won’t be able to fix them. I said, I know, I know.

It was her mothers job to bathe her and get her in her pajamas, and my job to tuck her in at night, and say her prayers with her. It was our routine.

Well, about two weeks before her next birthday, I got a bonus of $90 from work. That was a nice surprise, we had no debts then, and I could do whatever I wanted with it. I decided to spend $30 on me,$30 on my wife,
and $30 on Mandy. Off to Friedmans I went, and bought my wife a blue topaz diamond ring she wanted, and I bought Mandy a string of real, genuine, deep water cultured pearls.

That Saturday, I hid the ring under my wifes pillow, and I hid the pearls in my hip pocket. The pearls were in a nice, blue velvet lined, black felt box.
It was two weeks before Mandy;s birthday, but I was anxious to give them to her, and waited until bed and prayer time. I went into her room, and we siad her prayers, and then I guess as a joke, or prank, I asked her, Can daddy have your pearls, darling? She sais WHAT ? Daddy, are you crazy? What do you want my pearls for? I told her, I want them to hang on my rearview mirror in the car. I was just teasing her, as I often did. But she took me verysseriously, and said, daddy, you know what these pearls mean to me, they make me look grown, and I worked so hard to save my money and buy them with my own money. I would never give up these pearls, never daddy. But you can have my unicorn, up there on the shelf to hang on your mirror. And I said, but darling, they re just cheap, plastic, fake, phoney pearls. And she would repeat herself, and I would play aruge with her. I told her, No, I wanted the pearls, and again, she told me, No way , Daddy these are MY pearls. I love my pearls, Daddy. I look like a lady with them on.

I said OK, and as I turned off the lights, I hid her new real pearls on the shelf way above her bed, behind the unicorn. I figured I ‘d wait , and give them to her later.

Well, to tell the story, I got to tell the truth, I continued to tease her every night for about 4 or 5 nights in a row. Same Routine. Can Daddy have your pearls, Mandy? I really want them, please. No, she would whine, NO WAY, Daddy, you know how hard I worked for these pearls, you know how much I love them, you know what these pearls mean to me. And she would cling to them, every night as I teased her.

The next night, I went in, same routine. Except when I again asked for her pearls, She looked up at me, her lower lip trimbled and swollen out, and as she took the pearls off, and reached them up to me, a tear rolled down her cheek, and she said, Here, Daddy, you can have my pearls, I know how much you want them, and I want you to know how much I love you. You take them. And, as a tear rolled down my cheek, I reached up on top of her shelf, and handed to her, her real genuine deep water culture pearls. She opened that box, shouted with joy and laughter, and as I put them on her neck, we both broke down in tears and cried. I sat there and held her for a long time, both us just repeating to each other how much we loved each other and how happy we both were with our new pearls.

I am getting to the GOD part. I knew I could not tell this briefly.

Later, as I recalled this story over in my mind, I was visited by that voice.
The voice like we often hear when we argue with ourselves or pondr something over in our minds. You can call it my conscious, my guardian angel, my dead grandma, God, THE FORCE, whatever. That little voice said, Greg, you know that sort is sort of like several exchanges you have had with me. Like the time you made up your mind to give up the cocaine and give it to me. You gave up something that you thought was very valuable, something very important in your life, something you really enjoyed, valued and appreciated. But after you was willing to give up your fake, phoeny pearls, I gave you a longer life, a healthier life, and the peace and jot that not being a coke-head brings.
And after you gave up the hatred for your X-wife, and emptied your heart of hate, you know how much you wanted to cling to that hate too!!!. You know how much you valued that feeling of wanting to just kill her. Your hated for her was your entire life!! BUT, after you gave it to me, I was able to give you a heart of LOVE and caring and Happiness and Joy. You was willing to give up a cheap no good thing, thought or idea, for something far more real and valuable. And that is how I work, that is how I operate.

And that is one way I have tasted God.
 

robert 14617

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roseman someone started a thread about IQ and belief level..well if you follow that bell curve the higher the math gurues get the more they believe in a higher power or god
 

mastakoosh

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very nice posts. i once ended a couple month cocaine binge after watching a movie about jesus. at the same time my fiance left me, i got fired and my cars engine blew up. i had unlimited coke at my disposal, i had no family or friends around at the time and i went through complete agony and loneliness for weeks on end. i couldnt stand living anymore and i watched that movie and felt some of my troubles lifted. i have been through a couple rough patches where faith kept me afloat and could never care one bit what the doubters say.
 

icurbyou

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Not so sure soda was 6cents in 1974.

But, earlier you stated that the laws of nature, and force etc were what you referred to as God... but now the voice that helped you kick cocaine, hate and other things is God.

That was a really long winded story and I think you are just fuckin' with us. 90% of that story was incredibly unnecessary to get your point across, bro.
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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Roseman - well stated & thoughtful. We lost our eldest son in a horrible car crash - doctors told us "Brain dead", Lethal injuries, etc.... He was terribly broken so we prayed.
I have no doubt that he is with us today living a normal life because God decided he had something left to do (or for some reason I do not understand). I have given up many preconceived attitudes and prejudices and allowed his love to guide me, and believe me if we listen he will guide you.
Just my 2 cents.
 

Roseman

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very nice posts. i once ended a couple month cocaine binge after watching a movie about jesus. at the same time my fiance left me, i got fired and my cars engine blew up. i had unlimited coke at my disposal, i had no family or friends around at the time and i went through complete agony and loneliness for weeks on end. i couldnt stand living anymore and i watched that movie and felt some of my troubles lifted. i have been through a couple rough patches where faith kept me afloat and could never care one bit what the doubters say.



There have been times in my life when FAITH and HOPE were all I had to keep me afloat.
Please come back and post again.
 

Roseman

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Roseman - well stated & thoughtful. We lost our eldest son in a horrible car crash - doctors told us "Brain dead", Lethal injuries, etc.... He was terribly broken so we prayed.
I have no doubt that he is with us today living a normal life because God decided he had something left to do (or for some reason I do not understand). I have given up many preconceived attitudes and prejudices and allowed his love to guide me, and believe me if we listen he will guide you.
Just my 2 cents.
I thought I was sticking my neck out here, starting the thread, and I am, but I did not expect to see others here, agreeing with me. I appreaciate your post, and I thank you very much for your courage in posting.

I've never understood mean people that take delight and fun in hassling believers. This country was founded by belieers and leaving those belief is what got us in such shape we are in now.

There are mean people on this site that look for a GOD or FAITH or RELIGION thread to just attack the believers and hassle them. AND they seldom even try to help the newbies or growers. They are only here to hassle other members instead of offering help.

Again, thank you for your post. Come back and visit often.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
im sorry that i don't know more about buddhism or the hindu religion,newgroth in buddhism what does the idol buddha represent

Buddha is no more an idol than the cross is.

Buddha is actually a person, Guatama Buddha is his name, aka Siddhartha Gautama, He is the founder of Buddhism.

Buddhist look to the inside instead of outwardly, for the Higher Power, and Karma, or the law of "cause and effect", or the laws of "casues and conditions" is a big part of their faith.
 
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