i need your input on nutes

ok so im new to this and actually havent started my first grow yet, but i need some opinions...im tryin to spend very little on nutes.so i was thinking of buyin one for veg and one for flower what would you suggest?? any cheap option ideas are welcom

No one fertilizer contains everything your plants need. The fewer ferts you use, the greater the chance of both over and under feeding.

Mother's Finest said:

No one fertilizer contains everything your plants need. The fewer ferts you use, the greater the chance of both over and under feeding.

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wow, I mean just wow. I am speechless. that is an incredible thing to say.

Nutrient soups are not a good thing, yet the trend is "the more stuff that I have no clue about the better". That is bad.

If you want cheap and good try dyna-gro. No fancy gimmicks, marketing schemes, rediculous names, colourful labels with words like "sparkling buds" and "proprietory secret" bullshit. Its also dirt cheap. People who go to College to become professional horticulturists use brands like dyna-gro.

http://www.dyna-gro.com/

Mother's Finest said:

No one fertilizer contains everything your plants need.

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LOL. That's the mold I'm trying to break!

Coals is right, too-- fancy gimmicks don't grow plants, either.

That's why I make what I make-- a true standalone one packet solution that yields the same results as the big brands for a very fair price, with no big claims or snake oil

If you are on a tight budget and no nothing about horticulture, I strongly recommend my product.... although I am a little biased!

You can pm me for a sample, too if ya like

And yes, my product name is a bit ridiculous....

yeah, I'd have to disagree as well. Though different nutes are for different applications, you certainly can get nutes with the 13-14 necessary micro and macro nutes needed for herb. In non-inert substrates it's not even necessary since there are a chunk of them naturally in soils. Also almost all tap water will contain varying quantities of trace elements (copper, iron, mag, cal, etc). In the end, few grows actually need nutrients with every element required, and those using systems that need more complete nute packages should know it and pick the proper nutes (typically hydro lines).

Anyway, I grow in soil, and have had great luck with foxfarm nutes. Both the grow big and tiger bloom. On the slightly cheaper side I have also used fish emulsion and alaska brand bloom with success (the FF has near complete micro nutes though), though since I use filtered water I had to add mag/ca/fe with the alask brand stuff. The organics like fish emulsion are different though, they require microbial activity in the soil to break down into soluble forms. The FF is almost entirely soluble as is.

Coals said:

wow, I mean just wow. I am speechless. that is an incredible thing to say.

Nutrient soups are not a good thing, yet the trend is "the more stuff that I have no clue about the better". That is bad.

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You don't seem to understand. I never said, "the more stuff that I have no clue about the better." You were actually the first person to say that. You really shouldn't tell people, "the more stuff...the better." Some people here in the forums are trying to help others and making statements like that really misinforms inexperienced growers. What I said was that there is no single fertilizer that will supply all of the nutrients every type of marijuana needs. You see, there are many different types, or "strains" of marijuana and each of them grows differently. These various strains all have different nutritional requirements and so unless a single fertilizer changes its nutrient ratios to suit each plant you give it to, it can't possibly be perfect for every one.

Since every fertilizer is imperfect in some way for the plant you are growing, using only one virtually guarantees either a deficiency or a toxicity. It's always possible to get lucky but you really shouldn't bet on luck. Using a blend of two at the same overall strength can decrease this chance, and using a similar blend of three can decrease it further. Those who say, "the more the better," should know that each different fertilizer you add to the mix will have a smaller effect on the chance of defs and toxicities than the previous, until you reach the point where diluting the mix isn't worth having more variety. You should also be reminded that these mixes end up at a similar overall PPM as when using a single fertilizer because less of each is used.

I apologize for any confusion. I didn't realize I'd need to explain it in such detail for certain people to understand.

Mother's Finest said:

What I said was that there is no single fertilizer that will supply all of the nutrients every type of marijuana needs. You see, there are many different types, or "strains" of marijuana and each of them grows differently. These various strains all have different nutritional requirements and so unless a single fertilizer changes its nutrient ratios to suit each plant you give it to, it can't possibly be perfect for every one.

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The nutritional variation between strains has more to do with feeding strength than ratios. Using a grow and bloom formula in flower in different proportions can not only supply total plant nutrition, but can be tweaked by the grower to supply the proper NPKs as the plant ages.

Since every fertilizer is imperfect in some way for the plant you are growing, using only one virtually guarantees either a deficiency or a toxicity.

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Not true if your formula already contains good ratios. You cannot supply any one element in excess without locking out other competing elements. That is why ratios are very important. Maybe that is what you're getting at?

It's always possible to get lucky but you really shouldn't bet on luck. Using a blend of two at the same overall strength can decrease this chance, and using a similar blend of three can decrease it further. Those who say, "the more the better," should know that each different fertilizer you add to the mix will have a smaller effect on the chance of defs and toxicities than the previous, until you reach the point where diluting the mix isn't worth having more variety. You should also be reminded that these mixes end up at a similar overall PPM as when using a single fertilizer because less of each is used.

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Growing has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with tried and true formulas that have been around for 25-30 years. Our job is to read our plants and feed accordingly.

So many mixed feelings on this subject...so whats a few good nutes and ratios for veg/flower?

coonword said:

So many mixed feelings on this subject...so whats a few good nutes and ratios for veg/flower?

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Generically, a good veg and flower ratio is 3-1-2 and 1-3-2 respectively. It's also important to supply the secondary macro and micro nutrients so be sure to read the back of the bottle before you drop a lot of money on some rocket fuel. If you want to keep things easy, DynaGro is a great choice. Keep in mind that 'easy' doesn't mean inferior. Complicated feeding programs using countless numbers of bottles is not only confusing to the grower, but probably isn't supplying your plants with what they need in good ratios. So many 'bottle collectors' on this site grow a sub-par product and given the complexity of their schedules and the amount of money spent, you'd think they'd be growing the world's best herb. It never works out like that.