jfgordon1
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haha yah man, this thread is ridiculous...
u were on drugs thats why "God" talked to you.. let me know when "God" talks to you while ur sober and reading the newspaper or something
I talked to God last week
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u were on drugs thats why "God" talked to you.. let me know when "God" talks to you while ur sober and reading the newspaper or something
WoldofWeedcraft
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There actually have been Hindu historians who have made plenty of mention of Jesus. I grew up with a best friend who was Hindu, and his family all knew that Jesus existed based on their culture's beliefs. Yes, the Hindu witnessed Jesus. Of course they didn't accept him as God. I don't see why you are trying so hard to disprove someone's existance who lived over 2k years ago by referring to historians who did not witness him. I'm not trying to make you (spiritually) feel inferior by saying God has to call you for you to hear Him. You clearly have chosen your faith. I have no intention of forcing my beliefs onto you, I'm just projecting reality how I conciously believe it to be based on my experience in this body.No, you're assuming that Jesus Christ existed, and the fact is, he didn't.There has been no evidence of him found,historically or otherwise.There were plenty of credible historians who lived in that area at that time, and they made absolutely no mention of him.
As I said in my previous response,it makes perfect sense because there was no Jesus Christ.Christianity has borrowed rituals,holidays,dieties,and mythos from many older religions.This was to assimilate pagans into the fold more readily,and the knowledge is readily available to anyone who cares to do a little research.So yes, I assert,based on the historical and archeological evidence, Jesus is a product of Christianity, not vice versa.
TeaTreeOil
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I shit on your gods. kiss-ass
Stoney McFried
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Those texts were heavily edited.No evidence of Jesus has been found prior to the second century-well after his supposed death,and not contemporary.There are no eye witness accounts of him that exist outside of the bible that have not been proven as forgeries.When you read about the Hindu supposedly witnessing Jesus, you also get a lot of accusations such as"There has been a giant cover up of this evidence,"etc,making it look like a big conspiracy by science to "dispose of the evidence." Any time folks start talking like this, it raises red flags. The reason I am trying to tell people about this is because Jesus, and Christianity, have been used as tools to subvert and control for milennia.Quite simply,if you are talking to a person that never existed,doesn't that then mean that all that you believe comes from within,and that you should look there for answers and not to some external ideology which has been adapted as a means to restrict your enlightenment?I say you can believe what you like, but if facts stare you in the face and you refuse to honestly consider them, how are you reaching any level of enlightenment?
WoldofWeedcraft
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Hypothetically, how would you react if God spoke to you, and you heard it? Whether it be an audible voice or just something within your conciousness. Believe me, you will reach a level of enlightenment when you realize that you are part of this holy reality. Each atom in each molecule that spins around and makes up what we experience to be reality is in some way connected (laws of thermodynamics). Like I previously mentioned, none of us were there to witness Christ. So we should stop this arguement about history which will just continue to go round and round. Just like evolution. I believe in evolution, but I cannot tell you whether or not we evolved from single celled organisms >> primates. I wasn't there, and it's pointless to argue when you cannot go back in time and prove anything.Quite simply,if you are talking to a person that never existed,doesn't that then mean that all that you believe comes from within,and that you should look there for answers and not to some external ideology which has been adapted as a means to restrict your enlightenment?I say you can believe what you like, but if facts stare you in the face and you refuse to honestly consider them, how are you reaching any level of enlightenment?
Stoney McFried
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Uh...I'd get some medication.Because if there is a god,it can't be defined by the narrow spectrum of religion.Certainly, it would have no need to speak to you personally,because quite frankly, you're not that special.(And by "you", I mean people in general,I'm not attacking you personally.)
See what you have said about reaching enlightenment when I realize I am part of this holy reality...no, not so...my enlightenment is totally different from yours,and for me personally and individually.So I don't believe this reality is "holy" or that we have a higher purpose ordained by some cold and distant deity.No, none of "US" were there, but plenty of other folks were,and the Romans, who were supposedly responsible for his death, completely fail to mention him, and they were really good about keeping records.To return your argument to you:If you weren't there to personally witness it, why believe?
See what you have said about reaching enlightenment when I realize I am part of this holy reality...no, not so...my enlightenment is totally different from yours,and for me personally and individually.So I don't believe this reality is "holy" or that we have a higher purpose ordained by some cold and distant deity.No, none of "US" were there, but plenty of other folks were,and the Romans, who were supposedly responsible for his death, completely fail to mention him, and they were really good about keeping records.To return your argument to you:If you weren't there to personally witness it, why believe?
WoldofWeedcraft
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But what if you where wrong? Still hypothetically speaking.
Stoney McFried
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So what?Shall I kiss his ass so he doesn't punish me?If there is a god, I'm not too damned impressed with him or her anyway.It is either the cruelest or most neglectful parent there ever was.If I were wrong, I'd have no trouble admitting it...and I'm not saying that my way is the only way, or even the correct way...but using the power of deduction to rule out the wrong way,we eliminate religion immediately.
WoldofWeedcraft
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Well christianity doesn't say you have to kiss His ass to get to heaven. Just accepting the faith is enough. All sins are equal and everyone has sinned, and according to that faith God will forgive your sins. I don't mean to preach, and I know you don't want to hear it. I'm just saying, when you die, who's ignorance would actually have an effect. The ignorance of religious believers based on your ideology or the ignorance of a non-believer based on religious (Christianity in this case) ideology?
Sorry if I'm getting on your nerves, I just like talking about these kinds of things, and I +rep you for being an adult throughout our conversation.
Christ came from God...it was the Spirit of God...and was in the man jesus.
He does not judge you according to what one understands by reading the scriptures...but the scriptures only testify about him.
If you believe he was not sent from God into the book he does not condemn you...condemnation is within you.
There is a great light of enlightenment...the Spirit given to those that believe...but satan always appears where the sons of God are manifested to the world.
There comes a time when satan shall be shackled...and will no more deceive the nations.
He does not judge you according to what one understands by reading the scriptures...but the scriptures only testify about him.
If you believe he was not sent from God into the book he does not condemn you...condemnation is within you.
There is a great light of enlightenment...the Spirit given to those that believe...but satan always appears where the sons of God are manifested to the world.
There comes a time when satan shall be shackled...and will no more deceive the nations.
Stoney McFried
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I don't believe in hedging my bets and going with something "just in case".I have to stick to my principals or else I'm nothing.I'm not going to accept something I don't believe in because I'm afraid of the unknown.
WoldofWeedcraft
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Well it was just a hypothetical question. If you were to experience something that made you believe in God, you wouldn't be believing in it because of fear of the unknown or "just in case."
bobharvey
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The Roman Catholic Church put together the Bible.
TeaTreeOil
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Did you catch his name?
floridasucks
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let me tell you a story of how religion comes from tripping.
i had a friend who did all kind of drugs and smoked and drank for the last ten years and he was into metal type of music. he was planning on taking a bunch of shit on new years like mescaline, acid, coke, x, pot, alcohol. around november he trys the mescaline and trips out. we tell him to chill and he trys it again by himself at home. but this time he is sitting there trippin balls watching tv and he gets a knock on the door. he travels to the door and opens it and sees "the light of god" which is really the sun shining in. and 2 people in blue suites which are mormons. he lets them in and talks to them while hes trippin on mescaline and he turns into a mormon. just out of nowhere, he threw away all his bongs and weed and drugs and got a blue suite and now he holds mormon bible sessions at his house and he doesnt talk to anyone now. this makes me think that people were just trippin when they made all of this religion stuff up. alot of tribes around the world used different hallucinogenic drugs to "reach the spirit world and talk to god"
i had a friend who did all kind of drugs and smoked and drank for the last ten years and he was into metal type of music. he was planning on taking a bunch of shit on new years like mescaline, acid, coke, x, pot, alcohol. around november he trys the mescaline and trips out. we tell him to chill and he trys it again by himself at home. but this time he is sitting there trippin balls watching tv and he gets a knock on the door. he travels to the door and opens it and sees "the light of god" which is really the sun shining in. and 2 people in blue suites which are mormons. he lets them in and talks to them while hes trippin on mescaline and he turns into a mormon. just out of nowhere, he threw away all his bongs and weed and drugs and got a blue suite and now he holds mormon bible sessions at his house and he doesnt talk to anyone now. this makes me think that people were just trippin when they made all of this religion stuff up. alot of tribes around the world used different hallucinogenic drugs to "reach the spirit world and talk to god"
IanCurtisWishlist
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When I imagine the mind of God, I don't necessarily think of a personal being out there. But I do believe that, if there is a living conscious God, his intelligence could be equivalent to all of our experiences and consciousnesses combined into one form. Is that hard to imagine? I only ask because I thought that while tripping on LSD one day.
floridasucks
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^religion comes from tripping
IanCurtisWishlist
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I have heard that the "visions" the apostle paul experienced , as recalled in the book of Revelation, were thought to be temporal lobe seizures by some scholars. Just google it. I'm too fucking lazy to post any sources because I'm going to bed at this fine hour of 2 AM.