I think it’s septoria but I’m a noob. Help!

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Hrrmph

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Hello all. This is my 1st post on here and it will be about my second grow. i have 2 gorilla glue autos in ffof/40% perlite, 3gal fabric pots, under electric sky 300 v2 in a 2x4 grow tent, indoors. Temp averages 80 with lights on. humidity was averaging 60% but since I discovered it could be mold I turned the dehumidifier to 50%. They are 6 weeks old. I’ve been using calmag and have fed once with tiger bloom. When the problem started a week ago I had fed once a week before that.
ok so all that out of the way. Now the problem. Pictures speak a thousand words. The skinny plant I chopped all the leaves off a week ago in an attempt to control the mold, so most of the leaves you see are new growth. The problem seems to be less severe but new yellow and brown dead spots are still occurring. Help please!
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Herb & Suds said:
Fluctuations in ph
Over feeding
Poor feeding/ watering habits but only you know what you did to cause it
The odds of Septoria are almost zero
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You may be right but I have to say your post isn’t terribly helpful. Any chance you could help me narrow that down? I ph my water to 6.5, it’s in ffof which is ph 6.3-6.7, I have barely fed them, they are autos which need fewer nutes...I am looking for a solution. Maybe I should have made it clear in my question that if it’s not septoria then what the hell it it? Is septoria or some other mold problem so far fetched? Why?
 
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They appear to be really underfed. I can't say for sure as I don't grow in dirt, I'm terrible at dirt. But if your not watering too often, pH is good, and you say your not feeding very much then I'd say underfed.

It doesn't look like mold to me, if I was guessing without info be given I would say root issues caused by overwatering. But a starved plant can look the same as it basically is starving if roots aren't uptaking nutes. So if you know your not watering too much then feed more.
 
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Herbs post was extremely helpful.

He told you what it wasn't and if you had of given information on pH and feeding schedule, lights, medium and environment he probably would have continued assisting you.

It's a fucking Cal/Mg issue... it's always a CalMg issue.

You want unhelpful? Well here you go.

Fix your fucking shit. You got the info you needed, now fucking implement it and fuck off.

For future reference, this is an unhelpful post.
 
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teddy bonkers said:
I would say his post was very helpful, He told you it's not septoria and gave you a few reasons why it looks like that. Are you using distilled water?
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Look I don’t want to get into an argument. I wasn’t trying to be rude. He gave me 5 things it could be, which is better than 100 things but still not helping me to find the single solution. I tried to give all the info I could and if it wasn’t enough he could have asked, in the spirit of helping. Of course he could have ignored the post completely so im not calling him a jerk I’m asking for help
 
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Don't mind the assholes we all started somewhere. What nutrients do you have available to use? Also are you sure you aren't overwatering as root issues look a lot like nutrient deficiency.
 
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Kalebaiden said:
Herbs post was extremely helpful.

He told you what it wasn't and if you had of given information on pH and feeding schedule, lights, medium and environment he probably would have continued assisting you.

It's a fucking Cal/Mg issue... it's always a CalMg issue.

You want unhelpful? Well here you go.

Fix your fucking shit. You got the info you needed, now fucking implement it and fuck off.

For future reference, this is an unhelpful post.
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And you smoke weed? A little aggressive. I think you took it a bit farther than I meant it. You are right your post was less helpful and quite abusive, but that doesn’t mean his post was helpful to me. How do I know if it’s underfed or over fed? This is only my second grow ever. I said I fed once so a more helpful reply would be “I generally feed more than that and it works so try that.” See the difference?
 
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teddy bonkers said:
I would say his post was very helpful, He told you it's not septoria and gave you a few reasons why it looks like that. Are you using distilled water?
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I am using filtered
Apalchen said:
Don't mind the assholes we all started somewhere. What nutrients do you have available to use? Also are you sure you aren't overwatering as root issues look a lot like nutrient deficiency.
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thanks, and thanks for the time. I have ff trio, Cali magic, ph up and ph down. I only fed once with tiger bloom 2ml in a gallon, other than giving Cal mag pretty regularly, about once a week staring in week 2 at 2ml a gallon. They are in 3 gallon pots and I water a half gallon every 2-3 days based on if the top 2 inches are dry. that means some water comes out the bottom which I wetvac up right away.
I am still curious why it can’t be septoria. I’m not saying, at all, that I know better and it is septoria. I am trying to learn and if he can say it basically for sure not septoria I am curious as to why that is the case.
 
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Apalchen said:
They appear to be really underfed. I can't say for sure as I don't grow in dirt, I'm terrible at dirt. But if your not watering too often, pH is good, and you say your not feeding very much then I'd say underfed.

It doesn't look like mold to me, if I was guessing without info be given I would say root issues caused by overwatering. But a starved plant can look the same as it basically is starving if roots aren't uptaking nutes. So if you know your not watering too much then feed more.
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Thank you thank you thank You. I will feed them at next watering, lightly, and see if that helps. Thank you
 
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Hrrmph said:
And you smoke weed? A little aggressive. I think you took it a bit farther than I meant it. You are right your post was less helpful and quite abusive, but that doesn’t mean his post was helpful to me. How do I know if it’s underfed or over fed? This is only my second grow ever. I said I fed once so a more helpful reply would be “I generally feed more than that and it works so try that.” See the difference?
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Listen. His post was helpful.

1 he told you it wasn't what you though it was. What you thought it was, was a death sentence.

2 he gave you 5 possibilities in which narrows down your search.

3 if you think about those 5 possibilities and ask relevant questions to figure out what you have done wrong you can figure it out.

We can't just say hey thats this issue without drilling down to the possible causes.

Help us help you further.
 
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Kalebaiden said:
Herbs post was extremely helpful.

He told you what it wasn't and if you had of given information on pH and feeding schedule, lights, medium and environment he probably would have continued assisting you.

It's a fucking Cal/Mg issue... it's always a CalMg issue.

You want unhelpful? Well here you go.

Fix your fucking shit. You got the info you needed, now fucking implement it and fuck off.

For future reference, this is an unhelpful post.
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And I know you don’t care and hate me or whatever but I did give that info for the most part. I think I only left out ph and if he had asked I would have told him. It’s hard to list every single variable off the top of my head. I just think you were looking for an excuse to be abusive
 
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Wizzlebiz said:
Listen. His post was helpful.

1 he told you it wasn't what you though it was. What you thought it was, was a death sentence.

2 he gave you 5 possibilities in which narrows down your search.

3 if you think about those 5 possibilities and ask relevant questions to figure out what you have done wrong you can figure it out.

We can't just say hey thats this issue without drilling down to the possible causes.

Help us help you further.
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Ok fine. I’m in the wrong. I really thought I put and exhaustive list of info at the top but I didn’t know what I didn’t know. I believe I have given the info. I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. Peace to all
 
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Hrrmph said:
And I know you don’t care and hate me or whatever but I did give that info for the most part. I think I only left out ph and if he had asked I would have told him. It’s hard to list every single variable off the top of my head. I just think you were looking for an excuse to be abusive
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No one hates you. New folks always seem to come in give zero info and get upset when the info coming back isn't pin point accurate.

With the limited info he did the best he could do for you. Which tbh should have gotten you much further than before you made this thread.

If you want help we can help. But accept that with limited info you will get limited info back brother.
 
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Wizzlebiz

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Hrrmph said:
Ok fine. I’m in the wrong. I really thought I put and exhaustive list of info at the top but I didn’t know what I didn’t know. I believe I have given the info. I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. Peace to all
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Its all good. Just see it as investigative research
 
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Hrrmph said:
Ok fine. I’m in the wrong. I really thought I put and exhaustive list of info at the top but I didn’t know what I didn’t know. I believe I have given the info. I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. Peace to all
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And really, truly, I didn’t mean to be rude. I just don’t know how to go from 5 things it could be to the one thing it is when I obviously think I am doing all 5 right or I wouldn’t be doing them that way. See the problem?
 
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Hrrmph said:
And really, truly, I didn’t mean to be rude. I just don’t know how to go from 5 things it could be to the one thing it is when I obviously think I am doing all 5 right or I wouldn’t be doing them that way. See the problem?
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No I dont really see the issue tbh.

Pic a topic presented and ask questions.

For example. He mentioned Ph possible issues.

So if you dont know much about that begin asking questions.

If you have never Phd your water it might be a good place to start. If you have Ph nailed down and have no questions about that move to the next topic.

Systematically break down the topics.

General rule of thumb if you are seeing things being said that you don't know about its probably part of the issue for your plants.

Just dig a little. Ya dig? :lol:
 
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Couple things I noticed and will compare w/ my experience in FFOF. Something to consider. I never PH’d my water, and I never added calmag. And my leaves never looked wonky like yours do. I will say, my tap comes out around 7 PH and 150 ppm, So maybe I didn’t need to alter much? Idk I’m not a scholar... but from my understanding soil has natural PH buffering capability, and you could pour loads of low or high PH water through w/o affecting root zone PH very much. If you’re using phosphoric acid for ph down, there’s P in that. NER (nutrient element ratios) are important thing to keep in check i.m.o.... If I were you, I’d try ditching the calmag and using a balanced food w/ not just a bloom boost. If anyone w/ more experience / knowledge wants to correct anything I’ve said that they know to be false, please do. This is all from memory and mines bad lol
 
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KeyLimeRye said:
Couple things I noticed and will compare w/ my experience in FFOF. Something to consider. I never PH’d my water, and I never added calmag. And my leaves never looked wonky like yours do. I will say, my tap comes out around 7 PH and 150 ppm, So maybe I didn’t need to alter much? Idk I’m not a scholar... but from my understanding soil has natural PH buffering capability, and you could pour loads of low or high PH water through w/o affecting root zone PH very much. If you’re using phosphoric acid for ph down, there’s P in that. NER (nutrient element ratios) are important thing to keep in check i.m.o.... If I were you, I’d try ditching the calmag and using a balanced food w/ not just a bloom boost. If anyone w/ more experience / knowledge wants to correct anything I’ve said that they know to be false, please do. This is all from memory and mines bad lol
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Soil has a natural buffer up to a certain point. After a while of feeding bottled nutrients the microbes can become inactive. Happens alot during flower. At this point Phing the water becomes paramount to the plant being able to uptake the nutrients that it is given.

If Ph is not controlled later in the cycle and you haven't given the proper amendments to reactivate the microbes the plant can look alot like his due to lock out.

No active microbes to deliver nutrients and no Ph control to deliver nutrients.
 
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Cant fix by doing a top dress & adding something like recharge every water? If he found out his root zone PH, and you say buffer capability is only to a certain point.. and he is passed that point, could he benefit from a flush w/ a certain PH water...Move that needle a bit? Or he’s @ point of no return now? like to learn and also feel bad for this dude, want to help lol
 
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