If Your Plant Comes Out Worth Less Than a Poopy Flavored Lollipop You May Suck

chief blunts

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a mongo frog

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well from someone in the "know" you do know that anyone with some computer smarts can look at the gps coordinates of where the video was taken right? same with any and all pictures/videos taken with a smart phone....

just a heads up.
stop sayin and acting like that. your acting like a fuckin cop. im not defending the op, i dont agree with any thing hes sayin about bad info here on this site. but dont act like a cop. thats not needed.
 

chief blunts

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lol, all in good fun...

just passing along the common knowledge is all...

and im pretty sure were on the same page in regards to op.
 

My420

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well from someone in the "know" you do know that anyone with some computer smarts can look at the gps coordinates of where the video was taken right? same with any and all pictures/videos taken with a smart phone....

just a heads up.
AHAHAHA wife erased videos when she read that because she said people will rob your dispensary if they know where it is....... Not like my patients who come every day all day long dont know? Anyways thanks I got out of getting yelled at for not cleaning the house today because she erased my videos without thinking...... I have a legal grow and a legal dispensary here in Ca. But i will be reposting some pics here soon. Also in Ca. I do not go close enough to 100 plants to worry about it.
 

My420

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all hail professor weed... lame.... maybe bad information is spread because misinformed people are afraid to ask informed arrogant ass fucks like you....massa weed massa can weez dum o dum folk have sum real tips massa so weez can growz sum weeds like you
No not today grasshoppa.... Maybe when you learn ways of the earth I will teach thee... ()::::::::::::::::: )

Also thanks for the compliment..
 

1oldgoat

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Ok so I made this thread because I think that it is so funny how much bad information is out there. Whether it is intended to purposely make people grow worse or it is just because there are a lot of uneducated stupid people who grew one harvest that came out so bad it can barely pass as dirt weed but swear that is was the best and produced 6 ounces per plant off of a 18 inch tall and 14 inch wide plant with colas the size of a lighter when still wet is rediculous. It is so funny to see people talking so much crap when they have no clue. You always can tell who they are because they only talk crap and never have any educated or facts or proof to back it up. If you tell me that you did this that and the other SHOW ME and to anyone that does not believe what I do works... Watch the video of my grow room as I keep making them so hopefully someone will give me a hint to get better but so far all I have come across is uneducated guesses to what they may think you have to do to make it better. I would love it because if you can SHOW ME how to get better bring it on but please if you are a stupid newb who grew 1 harvest only to produce a plant less valuable then a poopy flavored lolipop please do not embarrass yourself anymore and cancel your account and kill yourself. No one needs bad or uneducated advice when it is obvious that you have no clue. So to all the people who know whats up this is for you. Show me some good healthy plants that are in veg or flower and tell me what is working for you but please do not waste space or time giving us some uneducated ridiculous way to increase yields that you heard from some guy that heard from some guy who's dad's brothers uncles second cousin used once. If you have a suggestion post some evidence of it. Video or picture and flex your skills. No proof then do not bother to post because I will not respond. Will respond to any questions that are not idiotic and please do not try to make yourself seem like you know what your talking about if you do not have a clue. It only makes you look stupid.
Like the people that say things like this.

"85 is ok for veg but not for flowering you want to be at 70 degrees in flowering to get the best chrystal formation/production."
 

My420

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Like the people that say things like this.

"85 is ok for veg but not for flowering you want to be at 70 degrees in flowering to get the best chrystal formation/production."
Flowering temp is right, Veg I do not like to go past 78 because if it gets past 88 the plants cell structure starts to break down. Not sure on temp tho I think its 85 or 88. Plant gets best Co2 intake at 82-83 I THINK I would have to look that up again because I can not remember the temps correctly.
 

budlover13

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There's lots of ego in growing threads, imho. IMHO is the thing i look for to denote "i have tried it and these are my results.", imho.
 

The420Guru

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Yea For sure.. Hey my420 Dude I am looking at your grow saw the video before your girl erased them and must say man you know your shit. I see a lot of typing from people but not a lot of evidence. I like when people post pics to what they say like you. To be honest I really do not even see a lot of grows on here that look 1/2 as good as yours. Most people are newbie to average even with just ok grows and yields but exagerate them to be way more then they are. One thing I would suggest is not to call so many people out on their BS because you get every other newbie that has never had a good grow saying how you are so worong because if they actually admit your right they have to admit they are wrong. Experience is also showed a lot just from the grow setup. Past problems lead you to do things and design things differently. Like as in your grow I know that you have a lot of experience and from what you say you do not stop experimenting which can only make you better. So props man on being at least honest and not letting people tell other people bad advice but believe me you will eventually realize that no matter what you know for a fact and try to help people with there will be 100 people telling them things like " this works great " when they have no clue that in reality is only descent at best. Keep experimenting and keep updates on your grow because I know for a fact you will be happy with results. New to the site just signed up today but been looking around and think I will be staying here for a bit.
The 420 Guru
 

1oldgoat

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Flowering temp is right, Veg I do not like to go past 78 because if it gets past 88 the plants cell structure starts to break down. Not sure on temp tho I think its 85 or 88. Plant gets best Co2 intake at 82-83 I THINK I would have to look that up again because I can not remember the temps correctly.
You really shouldn't have to look up anything. This is a quote from one of your threads.
 

The420Guru

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You really shouldn't have to look up anything. This is a quote from one of your threads.
Well I do not understand this one.. If he said
85 is ok for veg but not for flowering you want to be at 70 degrees in flowering to get the best chrystal formation/production."
and then goes on to saying when the plant starts to break down and what is best for Co2 intake I think that is 2 differant statements. I think he meant at what temp the plant starts to break down after that temp right? Or were you saying that it would be ok to go to 85 or 88? Or was it about the Co2 intake?
 

My420

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Was talking about the max temp you can veg at before the plant starts to break down, and also the Co2 intake. Oh yea for people who just are trying to say things like you are saying that I am wrong I guess Temp also helps in density of the nugs. So Since your post is obviously trying to say I do not know what I am talking about why don't you re read it because I said it is ok to veg at 85 because if you go over that a few degrees the plants breaks down. asking me what temp is ok to veg in and me saying I can not remember what the max temp is you can push it to before the CELL STRUCTURE breaks down and what temp is best for Co2 intake are two different things.
 

My420

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Well I do not understand this one.. If he said
85 is ok for veg but not for flowering you want to be at 70 degrees in flowering to get the best chrystal formation/production."
and then goes on to saying when the plant starts to break down and what is best for Co2 intake I think that is 2 differant statements. I think he meant at what temp the plant starts to break down after that temp right? Or were you saying that it would be ok to go to 85 or 88? Or was it about the Co2 intake?
OMFG THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO READ ON HERE.............. BRAVO rep for that LOL
 

The420Guru

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OMFG THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO READ ON HERE.............. BRAVO rep for that LOL
Ok cause I was wondering if I was missing something here that is what i was thinking you meant. Sheesh why so grouchy.. I think you have been on here too long trying to help people who do not really want it and getting to many people who do not know what they are talking about replying to your threads/responses. Hey man do not get upset over other people's ignorance. Trust me it is not worth it.
 

1oldgoat

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Well I do not understand this one.. If he said
85 is ok for veg but not for flowering you want to be at 70 degrees in flowering to get the best chrystal formation/production."
and then goes on to saying when the plant starts to break down and what is best for Co2 intake I think that is 2 differant statements. I think he meant at what temp the plant starts to break down after that temp right? Or were you saying that it would be ok to go to 85 or 88? Or was it about the Co2 intake?
I don't know, but here is the thread:

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/320312-my-first-grow-please-comment-2.html#post4016723
 

gweddo6868

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Cell structure breakdown will happen at anything above 92 degrees. They say 78 to 80 degrees is the sweet spot. Just remember when growing inside your trying to reproduce the environment which they naturally grow in for starts anything above 36000 lumens is considered equatorial varieties so if u have at least a 400 watt light your good there pending your grow space. Natural co2 is the astomsphere is 300 ppm so anything above that is a plus all the way to 1500 ppm which all plant life will die mine is at 1200 ppm.
I hate when people say don't trim fan leaves at any cost well what the hell do you buy expense nutes for I'm not saying take ever leaf down but be selective. Watering I give mine 300 ml everyday plants love routine. To me anything above 88 degrees your going to have problems ur plants won't grow right and if u have crazy flexes in temp in our grow room, u will get attacked by hermies caus once the plants natural response is to try to survive so it becomes a boy girl to insure the next gen makes it just trying to pass some insight
 

COMeds

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+rep to the OP

I don't post much on here (trying to become more active), but I've spent literally hundreds of hours over the past couple years READING on RIU and other forums (although I believe RIU has the best community of active, informed growers). I personally believe that once I find a tasty nugget of new information that I think I might want to try, I need to spend the time to search other forums and consult the grow books to vet the information, run it through my own BS filter and internal engineer & chemist, and then actually try it myself. If I haven't tried it myself, I feel that I shouldn't volunteer my opinion on it.

For example, the endless argument about HID vs CFL vs LED: I've proven to myself that HID is superior in every conceivable way (except the power bill!) for producing the "biggest buds" and largest yields when growing indoors. CFLs definitely have their place, and are perfectly capable of producing a great product, and I *do* actively use CFLs, even for flowering (when I do breeding or create seed stock), and for the small scale grower doing just a few plants for their own needs, I actively encourage CFL use because it's easier on the budget and no heat issues for a closet or cab grow. LEDs -- I've never used them, therefore I don't comment.

This temperature conversation that seems to have sprung up...I didn't read the whole thing, but here's my suggestion: Test. Figure out what works best for your combination of environmental factors, strains, etc. Based on numerous grow cycles with controlled factors, I know what temperature my four primary strains grow best at in DWC and in dirt, and those temperatures are 4 degrees F apart.

I also know what nutrient levels my particular strains grow best under, and at what stages. For 3 of my 4 strains, I run the nutrients extremely hot in flower compared to what just about everybody in the world would suggest, and those 3 strains LOVE LOVE LOVE the high nute levels, but those same levels will kill my 4th strain each and every time. How did I get to this optimal level? By testing and tweaking, testing and tweaking. Also, I'm willing to bet that moving the entire grow op to a different location, in a different building, would significantly alter all my parameters of nute level, temperature, light distance above canopy, etc.

For reasons of my own choosing, we recently started moving to Subcool's Agent Orange strain as our primary, mainstream patient strain, and we're doing it in dirt, which is kind of foreign for me, and creates a whole new set of issues. We're in our 3rd flower cycle of Agent Orange, and our nute levels in flower are so low that people would think we're insane, but the plants are absolutely, positively thriving. The Agent Orange flower room is also running a tad cold, which defies logic (averaging about 68 degrees). But again, the plants are thriving.

I would just encourage everybody to test things out for themselves. I realize that can often be a budget issue, but if enough other people have tried it and it works, and it accomplishes something important to you, then give it a shot. If it doesn't work for you, then either figure out why or move on to something else.

As somebody else already said, growing cannabis ain't that damn hard: Dirt, water, light. After all, it's a freakin' weed. I've had some killer weed that was grown in straight Perlite in a 6 inch pot, watered with just tap water, and sitting under a single CFL in a clamp-on reflector. Total cost: Under $20, all from Wal-Mart. Were the buds super dense? No. Did it have massive trich clusters? No. Was it dank? Hell yeah it was dank! (it was OG Kush, for anybody that cares).

Anyway, try new things for yourself. I think it's what makes growing interesting (OK, besides the fact that you have a wonderful end product!).
 

My420

Active Member
+rep to the OP

I don't post much on here (trying to become more active), but I've spent literally hundreds of hours over the past couple years READING on RIU and other forums (although I believe RIU has the best community of active, informed growers). I personally believe that once I find a tasty nugget of new information that I think I might want to try, I need to spend the time to search other forums and consult the grow books to vet the information, run it through my own BS filter and internal engineer & chemist, and then actually try it myself. If I haven't tried it myself, I feel that I shouldn't volunteer my opinion on it.

For example, the endless argument about HID vs CFL vs LED: I've proven to myself that HID is superior in every conceivable way (except the power bill!) for producing the "biggest buds" and largest yields when growing indoors. CFLs definitely have their place, and are perfectly capable of producing a great product, and I *do* actively use CFLs, even for flowering (when I do breeding or create seed stock), and for the small scale grower doing just a few plants for their own needs, I actively encourage CFL use because it's easier on the budget and no heat issues for a closet or cab grow. LEDs -- I've never used them, therefore I don't comment.

This temperature conversation that seems to have sprung up...I didn't read the whole thing, but here's my suggestion: Test. Figure out what works best for your combination of environmental factors, strains, etc. Based on numerous grow cycles with controlled factors, I know what temperature my four primary strains grow best at in DWC and in dirt, and those temperatures are 4 degrees F apart.

I also know what nutrient levels my particular strains grow best under, and at what stages. For 3 of my 4 strains, I run the nutrients extremely hot in flower compared to what just about everybody in the world would suggest, and those 3 strains LOVE LOVE LOVE the high nute levels, but those same levels will kill my 4th strain each and every time. How did I get to this optimal level? By testing and tweaking, testing and tweaking. Also, I'm willing to bet that moving the entire grow op to a different location, in a different building, would significantly alter all my parameters of nute level, temperature, light distance above canopy, etc.

For reasons of my own choosing, we recently started moving to Subcool's Agent Orange strain as our primary, mainstream patient strain, and we're doing it in dirt, which is kind of foreign for me, and creates a whole new set of issues. We're in our 3rd flower cycle of Agent Orange, and our nute levels in flower are so low that people would think we're insane, but the plants are absolutely, positively thriving. The Agent Orange flower room is also running a tad cold, which defies logic (averaging about 68 degrees). But again, the plants are thriving.

I would just encourage everybody to test things out for themselves. I realize that can often be a budget issue, but if enough other people have tried it and it works, and it accomplishes something important to you, then give it a shot. If it doesn't work for you, then either figure out why or move on to something else.

As somebody else already said, growing cannabis ain't that damn hard: Dirt, water, light. After all, it's a freakin' weed. I've had some killer weed that was grown in straight Perlite in a 6 inch pot, watered with just tap water, and sitting under a single CFL in a clamp-on reflector. Total cost: Under $20, all from Wal-Mart. Were the buds super dense? No. Did it have massive trich clusters? No. Was it dank? Hell yeah it was dank! (it was OG Kush, for anybody that cares).

Anyway, try new things for yourself. I think it's what makes growing interesting (OK, besides the fact that you have a wonderful end product!).
Yea true that a lot is from strain but I did re look up the temp and optimal temperature for Photosynthesis is at 85 degrees but the problem is that the curve starts to drop so fast after that it is kind of risky to keep it there. That is good for Co2 intake as well. But I also know that some strains like other temps.
 

My420

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As you can see in that thread says over 1 year ago but the info is still correct. So yes if you look at the photosynthesis curve it does say 85 is best for photosynthesis. ALTHOUGH some strains like it different so you really have to research each particular strain. It also sucks because in flowering at 70 degrees you get great crystal formation and denser nugs but at the same time you slow down the bud formation because photosynthesis is not at its peak ( 85 degrees ). In my experiments I have found that 85 is ok to veg at and 70 is great for flowering but I only go to 70 last 2 weeks. I try to keep it at about 78 degrees till the end of week 6 about. I found that works very very well for me. If someone else has different results could depend on a lot of things.. Strain nutes, etc etc. Even if you have the temp right but others are off you can still can get bad ending result.
 

1oldgoat

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As you can see in that thread says over 1 year ago but the info is still correct. So yes if you look at the photosynthesis curve it does say 85 is best for photosynthesis. ALTHOUGH some strains like it different so you really have to research each particular strain. It also sucks because in flowering at 70 degrees you get great crystal formation and denser nugs but at the same time you slow down the bud formation because photosynthesis is not at its peak ( 85 degrees ). In my experiments I have found that 85 is ok to veg at and 70 is great for flowering but I only go to 70 last 2 weeks. I try to keep it at about 78 degrees till the end of week 6 about. I found that works very very well for me. If someone else has different results could depend on a lot of things.. Strain nutes, etc etc. Even if you have the temp right but others are off you can still can get bad ending result.
So you like small hard nugs, as opposed to large hard nugs? To each his own I guess. I use 80-82* lights on and 70-72* lights out and get large rock hard colas covered with trichomes. Even the lower buds are hard and sticky. I had a criticism from one of my patient that it's too resiny and is hard to keep lit. Go figure. I also use ultraviolet light for 6 hrs a day.

Correct me if I'm wrong. When you say you use 70* for flowering, you mean 78*. When you say 85* for vegging you mean 70* and when you say "this is my buddy's grow" in one of your earlier threads https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/326795-first-grow-please-comment-good.html it's actually yours. And when you say "this is my first grow, so I hope I'm doing good, here is the grow room" https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/327960-2-weeks-5-days-into.html , you actually mean it's your buddy's grow room....Right? Because the picture of your buddy's grow and the grow room you say is yours in the other thread are the same room and they both show flowering at 70*.
 
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