GrassBurner
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After this grow, pick you up a sip and some Dr Earth dry ammendments. Super simple and perfect watering everytime 
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What is a Sip?After this grow, pick you up a sip and some Dr Earth dry ammendments. Super simple and perfect watering everytime
Fahn2k
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Sub irrigated planter
So yesterday the bigger plants leaves were droopy. It had been 2 or 3 days since it had been watered. So I watered all of them pretty well. This was yesterday morning. Get home from work today and same thing. Just the biggest plant. So, again I watered it and again in 15 minutes it perked right up. I checked the soil both times before watering and the soil was very dry and fluffy. I guess my question would be does a plant use water up in 24 hours? The other 2 seemed fine.
Budzbuddha
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Sometimes medium gets hydrophobic… you think it hydrated enough but really only partially.
I had to pull plants ( in fabric pots ) sit in a catch pan and slow methodical watering. Adding a wetting agent like yucca / aloe can improve moisture retention.
I had to pull plants ( in fabric pots ) sit in a catch pan and slow methodical watering. Adding a wetting agent like yucca / aloe can improve moisture retention.
LeastExpectedGrower
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Makes sense. I have some rarely watered houseplants where water can sit on the surface for 5 minutes or more before soaking in.
I'm new at it, but I'm finding slow and easy is the best for bags. It's pain, but I do .75 liters per plant, then come around and do another .75 to each until I get runoff; concentrating on pouring evenly across all the surface area and not getting sidewall pour-through. It's about 1 gallon per plant once I'm done and I'm getting runoff. But I've always thought that run-off is only partially about flushing previous nutrients out of the soil...the other part is getting the soil deep down fully saturated through the substrate.
Cousin_suds
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if your using general hydroponics nutes the bloom has the magnesium in it. along with other micronutrients. they do that to keep them from precipitating out. you at least have to give them micro and bloom. Look up the "Lucas Formula "
LeastExpectedGrower
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Yeah, and the darkness of those leaves hints that there's plenty of Nitrogen already...so Bloom is probably where to weight things...especially since those appear to be headed into flower. My autos got a bit yellow mid-plant and I leaned into the Potassium/Phosphorus to green them up a bit.
I am rotating between watering with water and then next watering is with micro, gro and cal mag. I have not used bloom at all yet. When I water I can water all 3 plants with a 17 ounce soda bottle with holes in the lid. Do you all think that maybe that is not enough water per plant? I also spray each plant with some water each morning. My lights are still set for 18/6. How long should I wait before switching to 12/12 light cycle? Sorry so many questions, just trying not to screw it up.
LeastExpectedGrower
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Again, not more than a beginner here either, but most of the schedules and formulas I've reviewed for GH Trio has you applying all three in varying percentages across a grow to create a full slate of nutrients that are weighted differently along the way, especially earlier on.
These days I'm applying trio and alternating with pH'ed water (for me that's a feed-rest-rest-water schedule for my soil to dry out appropriately. And recently I moved to not necessarily measuring my water (or feed) but pouring to run-off which seems to be working better (as others have also said). That gives the water a change to 'rinse out' the leftover chemistry from feeding; then the feeding to fully permeate the soil. For me that amounts to about a gallon of fluid per plant (5g bags filled to about 4g) in the 3rd week of flower.
Note the feed charts below:
Flora Series® Feedcharts (Old)
Explore our feedcharts for Flora Series professional nutrient system.
generalhydroponics.com
This one skips grow late in bloom:
This one also skips grow late in the cycle, except for autos which do use it:
GHE Feed Chart: General Hydroponics Feeding Chart - Usage Guide | Fast Buds
GHE Feed Chart: how to use general hydroponics fertilizers in soil, hydro or coco and the best feeding schedule for using them with autoflowering cannabis.
2fast4buds.com
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Zo3_Organix
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They seem to be over watered. When they are this small they don't drink much. Even if the top layer is a bit dry there is still plenty of moisture in the pot. The top layer of your soil is drying out fast because your environment is to hot and dry. I have seen stunted plants come back with an average yield but it's usually not worth the headaches with all the other problem that overwatering may cause later on. If you have more seeds I suggest getting those started. If not, let the pots dry out completely then slowly start giving them small shot glasses of water. Earlier this year I had some seedlings that were in a similar position. After they sprouted, they stayed the same size for 2 or 3 weeks. After diagnosing the problem I realized the self watering pot I started the seeds in was holding too much water! After I let them dry out & was more careful with how much water I gave them, they bounced back very well & are now 8 & 9 feet tall outdoor.
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LeastExpectedGrower
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Are we sure that's water related and not clawing due to excess nitrogen?
See, I didn't know that. I thought if I fed with bloom it would make them flower early. I will give the charts a look and make some modifications.Again, not more than a beginner here either, but most of the schedules and formulas I've reviewed for GH Trio has you applying all three in varying percentages across a grow to create a full slate of nutrients that are weighted differently along the way, especially earlier on.
These days I'm applying trio and alternating with pH'ed water (for me that's a feed-rest-rest-water schedule for my soil to dry out appropriately. And recently I moved to not necessarily measuring my water (or feed) but pouring to run-off which seems to be working better (as others have also said). That gives the water a change to 'rinse out' the leftover chemistry from feeding; then the feeding to fully permeate the soil. For me that amounts to about a gallon of fluid per plant (5g bags filled to about 4g) in the 3rd week of flower.
Note the feed charts below:
Flora Series® Feedcharts (Old)
Explore our feedcharts for Flora Series professional nutrient system.
This one skips grow late in bloom:
This one also skips grow late in the cycle, except for autos which do use it:
GHE Feed Chart: General Hydroponics Feeding Chart - Usage Guide | Fast Buds
GHE Feed Chart: how to use general hydroponics fertilizers in soil, hydro or coco and the best feeding schedule for using them with autoflowering cannabis.
Well, when I check the soil, I go down 3-4 inches and it's bone dry. I have loved way too many houseplants to death by overwatering so I have been really mindful with these guys.
Gosh I don't know. The only thing they are getting is micro and gro. I started that a couple of weeks ago. I mixed it at half strength and use it ever other watering.
LeastExpectedGrower
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Again my disclaimer about not being an expert, but from the pictures and your description it doesn't sound like over-watering. I bet if you suss out those different schedules for Flora Trio (and there are plenty of others online too), and also review some info about watering & feeding to run-off you'll probably be just fine. Dark leaves plus clawing tips from everything I've looked at suggests that excess nitrogen may be a plausible cause.
So yesterday came home and old droopy was in her prone position. I watered much heavier yesterday with distilled water and finally had run off. Whipped out my brand new PH pen to find that it was defective. So checked the run off with the regular PH reagent kit. Water was slightly acidic, hopefully where it should be. After I watered old girl she perked right up in 10-15 minutes. Just kind of feeling my way through the entire process. Hope to get the nutrition formula dialed in. LeastExpectedGrower I really appreciate your input and advice. The fact that I have drowned them is amazing to me so everything beyond that is a win.
LeastExpectedGrower
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I never had illusions of being a king master indoor covert horticulturalist on my first round no matter what. So I knew a few things going in:
-Buy more seeds than I thought I might need.
-This 'grow' was going to cost about 500%-1000% more than any other grow (to buy tent, light, gear & supplies for round one).
-I'd make a hell of a lot of mistakes along the way.
-I'd spend a ton of time online doing research, looking up science and figuring stuff out.
-I'd be adjusting and tweaking setup from minute one (for me this is in my nature anyway).
-Most of all, next round would be better than this one.
So far, most of these things have come to pass. Along the way I've learned stuff like why it's important once your plants are established to water to runoff, how much light is too much, how much nutrient feeding is too much, etc.
Also, I see your 'yellow pen' for pH testing... I found out of the box and not having experience it was super hard to feel like I'd calibrated it right. After about 3 weeks I went back and did the routine again and it was WAY easier and quicker. Rather than mix my own for calibration, I bought. pre-made fluid since it was cheap and easy works like a charm. I'll continue to re-calibrate it every 2-3 weeks or so. Also keep a bit of water or storage solution in the cap and keep it stored cap-down.
In just a few short weeks things have become easier to handle. I can pH my water and adjust quickly because I know how much Up or Down to use per gallon. I have a good idea of once my nutrients are in, what the solution will read and what adjustments to make, etc. I also use Photone on my phone for quick reads of PPFD and DLI in my tent...no more fussing about how many inches stuff is from what...just take the readings at plant level and adjust accordingly.
I sort of love/loath the fact that home cannabis culture is the same 'retail space' as home brewing, home bee-keeping, etc.. Example: Find a way to use a 3$ 5 gallon bucket that's slightly and cheaply modified then charge the hobbyist 75$ for it.