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We TaRdED

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Isn't it you that said money should be printed and controlled by the government, not the Federal reserve (A private banking organization)? If you look at your statement, it is an oxymoron as the money is already controlled by private bankers, and we can see what a wonderful job they have done. Raping the American taxpayer with interest that should actually be going to pay for government programs. Make up your "mind". Seems to me that the private system has bankrupted the country.
Good point MM...

But you have to take into consideration that the USA corporation/gov't allowed the private monopoly to incur. They are the ones that passed the "Federal" reserve act. Where is the competition in that?

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
 

medicineman

New Member
you frightened me for a moment there vi.

let's not forget that the irs is backed by the full weight of the government and, should we need a reminder, we need only look to viet nam or afghanistan or iraq to see what a mess they can make of things. though for every citizen the government's collection agency stakes out for the vultures there are a hundred who live peacefully under their radar, the majority traipse blithely along under the slavery of the state's "tax as thou wilt" attitude. the law is enforced however they determine it should be interpreted and the will of the people has little or nothing to do with the matter.

the shell game is complete. we are misdirected by a thousand small movements in the foreground while, behind the actors, the chains are secured. we are given scenes of starving children and told that we must feed them. we are shown the sick and dying and convinced that we must heal them. we are faced with a scarred landscape and persuaded that we must sacrifice to assure the survival of our planet. the we, of course, can't include those with any true power, only those over whom they have gained control. should the powerful, for a moment, have to bear some small cost, that price is so easily handed down to those who's self-determination the powerful have usurped. for each new sin our pockets are picked and the state's coffers grow fatter while our dinner grows more meager. slavery need not be a physical action or a social phenomenon, its basis is found in economic bondage. the true slave owns less and less until he doesn't even own himself.

of course we are given a scapegoat from time to time. the criminal rich or the idle poor, the communist and the anarchist, the religious right then the secular left, the smokers, the drinkers, the fornicators and the fooles. each in turn are pilloried for the edification of the masses. of course we are kept amused. the trickle of valid information in the nightly news is followed by the antics of will and grace, the latest give-aways to prove you can get something for nothing and the most recent slices of some false reality. we are regaled at every turn with the wisdom of our beneficent leader. the fathers and mothers we employ to conduct us toward our destiny, but who are more interested in retarding our development and maintaining us in our perpetual childhood.

the citizenry is lulled into believing that they have some control over the bureaucracy that enslaves them. "but, the law will keep us safe from such tyranny" they cry, as their elected representatives and appointed judges decide for themselves how best to ladle out those few freedoms they decide we should keep. charlatans label themselves to please the masses and gain access to the halls of power, then don the robes of caesar and rule as petty gods. they quash all hope of revolution, branding any participants as enemies and traitors, then calm the roiled population with platitudes and the promise of some future immediate gratification (no, the paradox is not unintentional).

so, is it all some grand conspiracy? doubtful; when the very nature of power is to exceed its own scope, conspiracy is unnecessary. our preoccupation with the means to power only further ensures our slavery and our divisions over which lie best suits our immediate need are the nails that seal the coffin. we squabble over the leavings of power, managing to rescue a cheeseburger with fries and deluding ourselves into imagining that we have "gotten it our way". if you want freedom you must fight for it. your weapons are puny compared to the enemy's so you must starve him out, withholding from him the means to enslave you.


the preceding was brought to you by those who are, most likely, soon to be "detained for questioning". we now return you to your regularly scheduled programing. i think it's the lost episodes of CHiPs.
I think you have described the current situation with surprising clarity, albeit a little frightening if you take the time to comprehend the total gist of the post. The path to enlightenment is long and hard, or maybe just one acid hit away, but there remains a so what now? If it cant be fixed, then what, revolution? You'd first have to close down all the fast food restaurants, disable all TV, Cut off food stamps, welfare, and distribute M-16s to the masses, then start a maverick TV station with a kill the government program running 24-7, and I don't believe any of that is feasable, so we still ask, so what now! I've been aware of this situation for nigh on to 40 years and have decided that I won't sacrifice my freedom for the impossible. Give me 10 million like minded individuals and I would take my life savings and supply arms for as many as I could and walk from Nevada to DC to demand change. But as you can plainly see, we are lucky to get 2 individuals on this site to agree, let alone 10 million. Everyone is too comfortable in their little niche to be bothered with these facts of existence. My personal bone to pick is with corporate rule and selfish rich people, but that is just my most agitated state of mind. the rest of what you've said I can agree with also, But so what now???
 

wes87t

Active Member
What now? Pardon me?

So.. what you're saying is you want the greedy and corrupt people (you mean the ones who have money) to give hand outs? You want everyone to abolish everything you take for granted and to just fight it out, like they did a couple hundred years ago? Okay....

What now? Go get yourself an education, start an industry or a business or whatever, become a "player" in the game, and start making your own decisions. Lets see how you do.

You're blessed with the opportunity to be able to do something like that. Or you also have the choice of sitting in your so called niche and living your life, which is not wrong at all. How is that evil?

What I don't like is people talking about how bad they have it and not doing anything about it. Bitching and whining if you will.

That's my opinion. I read these posts all the time here, and mostly just lurk... but this time I felt I had to say something. This was in reply to the last post about what to do... I DO however agree that we pay way to many taxes. Income tax is bogus. I live in Canada, and we get raped with taxes... way more than the americans do. But that is, in my opinion, a population problem which we have... for every one canadian, there are 10 americans, and our land mass is bigger. You do the math...

What do you think?
 

We TaRdED

Well-Known Member
What do you think?
Welcome to the political section of RIU:clap:(that smiley face is actually me waving.....) :lol:

There is nothing wrong with "bitching and whining" about a sincere cause that isn't trivial. The point is to try and get the word out(it would be another thing if he was complaining about superficial trivial 'nonrelivant' issues.) . There is nothing wrong with that, in my honest humble opinion. Keep bitching MM and others, lets educate the masses:mrgreen:

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
 

medicineman

New Member
What now? Pardon me?

So.. what you're saying is you want the greedy and corrupt people (you mean the ones who have money) to give hand outs? You want everyone to abolish everything you take for granted and to just fight it out, like they did a couple hundred years ago? Okay....

What now? Go get yourself an education, start an industry or a business or whatever, become a "player" in the game, and start making your own decisions. Lets see how you do.

You're blessed with the opportunity to be able to do something like that. Or you also have the choice of sitting in your so called niche and living your life, which is not wrong at all. How is that evil?

What I don't like is people talking about how bad they have it and not doing anything about it. Bitching and whining if you will.

That's my opinion. I read these posts all the time here, and mostly just lurk... but this time I felt I had to say something. This was in reply to the last post about what to do... I DO however agree that we pay way to many taxes. Income tax is bogus. I live in Canada, and we get raped with taxes... way more than the americans do. But that is, in my opinion, a population problem which we have... for every one canadian, there are 10 americans, and our land mass is bigger. You do the math...

What do you think?
Well, I'm kinda thinking you should work on the problems in Canada where you may have an opportunity to make changes or move here and take all the crap we have to take without any medical, and start your own bitching.
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
The path to enlightenment is long and hard, or maybe just one acid hit away....
haven't been able to find anything clean in my neck of the woods for far too long. maybe that's what's needed to give us all the necessary boost.

I've been aware of this situation for nigh on to 40 years and have decided that I won't sacrifice my freedom for the impossible.
so much apathy is based on fear of loss. when one man is falsely imprisoned a dozen others may be motivated to embrace the cause, when one man bleeds a hundred more may become enraged at the sight, when one man dies a thousand may be there to pick up his sword. these things are the possible even though improbable.

Everyone is too comfortable in their little niche to be bothered with these facts of existence.
you complain about those who hold apathy dear, yet you embrace the concept of comfortable poverty and deny the path to excellence.

My personal bone to pick is with corporate rule and selfish rich people, but that is just my most agitated state of mind.
who are the ones who empower corporate rule and are the poor any less selfish that the rich? avarice cannot be legislated away and power that has been stolen may be taken back. venting your rage at the symptoms of a disease is a futile gesture.

so what now???
so be among the hundred or be the one, just don't be fooled by the deceptive practices of the political animals and allow them to cage you further without a fight. scream at the top of your lungs over ever abuse of those in power, being careful to identify the root of those abuses and the true nature of that power. live with conscience, act where possible and wait when prudent. these are all that can be expected of any man. expect revolution, but don't count on it; each small pin prick is as important as the slash of a sword.


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by the way - amendment IV, search and seizure rights. i know you are very literate and the misspelling bugs the holy shit out of me.


one toke over the line?
 
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medicineman

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haven't been able to find anything clean in my neck of the woods for far too long. maybe that's what's needed to give us all the necessary boost.

so much apathy is based on fear of loss. when one man is falsely imprisoned a dozen others may be motivated to embrace the cause, when one man bleeds a hundred more may become enraged at the sight, when one man dies a thousand may be there to pick up his sword. these things are the possible even though improbable.

you complain about those who hold apathy dear, yet you embrace the concept of comfortable poverty and deny the path to excellence.

who are the ones who empower corporate rule and are the poor any less selfish that the rich? avarice cannot be legislated away and power that has been stolen may be taken back. venting your rage at the symptoms of a disease is a futile gesture.

so be among the hundred or be the one, just don't be fooled by the deceptive practices of the political animals and allow them to cage you further without a fight. scream at the top of your lungs over ever abuse of those in power, being careful to identify the root of those abuses and the true nature of that power. live with conscience, act where possible and wait when prudent. these are all that can be expected of any man. expect revolution, but don't count on it; each small pin prick is as important as the slash of a sword.


one toke over the line?
Pretty much true, except I really don't embrace comfortable poverty, I just happen to be immersed in it, and suppose, I don't have the energy or inclination to struggle any more.. I've fought the good fight and finally reached "retirement". When you've done physical work all your life, your body starts talking to you. The 10 years I ran an 8 lb sledge hammer took the hardest toll. Arthritus abounds in my body. My desire to aspire has waned, so I sit on the sidelines and comment. For those with high aspirations, I say go for it. you never know, you may be one of the lucky ones.
 

We TaRdED

Well-Known Member
Any part you play is better than being apathetic, in my opinion. Just because you are not in your 20's does not make you any less of a person than a "young buck". Just because your "older" does not make it impossible that you can't partake in a truth revolution. Being in your position(retired), I would think you would have an the advantage of spreading the truth via the internet. :mrgreen:

Do what you can if you believe its a just cause. I'm not saying you have to financially or physically support anyone or anything, but simply do what you can as you see fit.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
 

medicineman

New Member
Any part you play is better than being apathetic, in my opinion. Just because you are not in your 20's does not make you any less of a person than a "young buck". Just because your "older" does not make it impossible that you can't partake in a truth revolution. Being in your position(retired), I would think you would have an the advantage of spreading the truth via the internet. :mrgreen:

Do what you can if you believe its a just cause. I'm not saying you have to financially or physically support anyone or anything, but simply do what you can as you see fit.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
I try WE, but my position seems rather unpopular on this right wing biased site. Sometimes all that comes to mind is a fuck you, mostly because I've explained the position many times before and I'm still being mis-labeled or maligned. Sometimes I get tired of repeating things. Maybe I should just type a page of my viewpoints and post them every day and let the comments flow without any retort. That way, the neo-cons and libertarians could all feel like they told me the way the cow ate the cabbage. Just repeat the same post every day ad-infinitum. Quote. this is Medicinemans views, have at em.
 

We TaRdED

Well-Known Member
I try WE, but my position seems rather unpopular on this right wing biased site. Sometimes all that comes to mind is a fuck you, mostly because I've explained the position many times before and I'm still being mis-labeled or maligned. Sometimes I get tired of repeating things. Maybe I should just type a page of my viewpoints and post them every day and let the comments flow without any retort. That way, the neo-cons and libertarians could all feel like they told me the way the cow ate the cabbage. Just repeat the same post every day ad-infinitum. Quote. this is Medicinemans views, have at em.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I got a good laugh from that one!!!:mrgreen:

I feel the same way about my "conspiracy theory" stuff. I too get tired of people calling me a conspiracy nut and stuff. I just called email462 a "moron" in another thread(and you know I never call names). HAHA.. I have high regards for email and have a lot of respect for him, but I just don't understand why he can't use his imagination and put the pieces together about 911. I know even you think that 911 was not as they lead us to believe and that there are still many unanswered questions....

But ya, I feel ya.... ~LOL~

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
 

ViRedd

New Member
Money is in the control of the government. That is anti-liberty and anti-freedom. In a truly free society, the citizens have control of the money through a private banking system and money backed by precious metals.

Isn't it you that said money should be printed and controlled by the government, not the Federal reserve (A private banking organization)? If you look at your statement, it is an oxymoron as the money is already controlled by private bankers, and we can see what a wonderful job they have done. Raping the American taxpayer with interest that should actually be going to pay for government programs. Make up your "mind". Seems to me that the private system has bankrupted the country.
No, I've never said that money should be "printed" and controlled by the government. I've said that Congress should coin money and set the value thereof (Article I, Section 8.). I've also said that the Federal Reserve should be abolished as its unconstitutional. The money of account should be precious metals and what you consider "money" should be nothing more than certificates of deposits for those precious metals being held in the vaults of private banks. Understand that Med, and you'll be on the road to understanding exactly what our government has done to our monetary system, and why. Once our monetary system is understood, you'll understand why the IRS is nothing more than thuggery placed at the disposal of our liege lords in Washington.

Vi
 
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