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natro.hydro said:

Was also curious how much you like that light mover you have? Thought about getting one but seems like it would be quite the hassle... could be wrong of course was just my guess. Its between a light mover for my 420 so it will get good coverage in my tent or 2 area 51s (was stuck between sgs and xgs since have seen good results with sgs and xgs is still pretty new but now they came out with a newer sgs so its back to the drawing board on that) The mover wouldnt add to my thermal output atleast but have heard they can be prone to failure. Heat might not even be a real issue with those panels as i havent read anything to elude to that but ya never know.till its in ur hands.... garden is looking awesome by the way mr.urb

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hey hey Natro,

i like movers, for the most part. when i started the garden i was given a bunch of used equipment, and i literally had more light movers than lights... they aren't a hassle to set up tho. the only thing is to make use to use pliers to cinch down the thumb screws that act as the bump-stops for the switch on the motor unit. if it's not screwed down securely, the mover may push it to the end of the rail, and get stuck as it high-centers itself just before it would otherwise take the mover and light off the rail (that happened to me once in the first week of using the set up, and it scared the crap out of me! lesson learned for sure!) otherwise, if the screw if not verticle enough to make contact with that switch, then the switch may pass under it, and the motor will not change direction; it'll just push against the obstruction in the path until you fix it. this causes the motor to get hot; but fix the issue, let it cool, and it'll work like a boss. that has happened to my oldest mover (5yrs old, i think) a few times in the first year i had it, and it's still in use over veg... these things are very robust in my opinion.

what size space are you working with? you can revisit my last run videos on youtube, where it was the Licorices and stuff in the 5x8; that run was the same tent that is currently going with half the light on a mover. by the end of this run, we should see whats up between movers or 2x light... so far i'm def leaning towards the "more light" option

I have the frame of a 4x6 silver edition hydrohut (long story but the tent was lost in storage) that i am going to be using as a veg structure later this summer once i relocate and was thing of throwing it up in that letting the 420 rock out in veg or was thinking of putting it in the 57"x57" tent i have now but feel like it would be cramped. Only reason i was really considering the mover is i liked the look of yours and how close you could get it to the canopy. Really just comes down to trying to get a better spread without losing intensity and maybe gaining some in the end. Plus a mover is like half the price of getting new lights lol. Just trying to look down the road at what i need to start saving for whether it be new lights or a mover. Thanks for that info btw just xant rep ya anymore

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natro.hydro said:

I have the frame of a 4x6 silver edition hydrohut (long story but the tent was lost in storage) that i am going to be using as a veg structure later this summer once i relocate and was thing of throwing it up in that letting the 420 rock out in veg or was thinking of putting it in the 57"x57" tent i have now but feel like it would be cramped. Only reason i was really considering the mover is i liked the look of yours and how close you could get it to the canopy. Really just comes down to trying to get a better spread without losing intensity and maybe gaining some in the end. Plus a mover is like half the price of getting new lights lol. Just trying to look down the road at what i need to start saving for whether it be new lights or a mover. Thanks for that info btw just xant rep ya anymore

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actually, that is the small tent i have... it's oversized tho.. bigger than a true 4 feet by 6 feet. idk why i started calling it 5x8... hmph...

but so ya.. anywho... you can look at that frame and visualize it as being the same exact frame that is my current vids. my eventual plans are for it to be moved to veg with 2 200-PARs in it once i get another of the larger (4x8, i guess) tents.

i think a single combo would do well in a 57"x57" space... with or without a mover. in my current setup, i miss the lights being able to get to all the buds at all the various angles, but then i like how things are looking with the light in a static arrangement. i'll know better once harvest comes up. for me, my current thoughts are; if you got the area perfectly lit, a mover will make things better my spreading the adequate light around evenly. if, on the other hand, the space could truly benefit from more light, then a mover is a band-aid and not a solution. like they say in some parts of the racing world... "there's no replacement for displacement." from a PAR Watt perspective, if you need more, you need more. for your numbers, a 57"x57" is great for a 420... imo, slight overlight is better than slight underlight. now, you do have room to use a 1 meter rail, and that would give you the ability to move the perfect amount of light just enough to make the plant photonically perceive that the entire "sky" is the sun. the trick is that you don't want the single light to be so close to the canopy (or the canopy so large) that when it's at one far end of the movement, that the canopy on the far other side is not lit. you nailed it with the line i bolded in your quote.

and where you note that a mover is half the cost of a light... true. except this: if you need another light (like, that's the real truth of the matter), then the price of the mover is going to hold you back from the true solution (getting the additional light you need). from where i sit now, i'd vote to wait on the movers until you (the universal you, not you Natro) have abundant light. they don't fix not having enough light (but a 420 in a 57" square is enough); they make having enough light better. that's just in my opinion... ymmv.

much love.

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Here is a pic I am putting in my thread that of my gals under the 420+pontoon. They got real floppy since I did not cage them up quick enough but have been busy non stop since the new year. Getting some early fade on the 2 in the middle in 5 gals. cus I tried to push the pk booster a lil too hard this time around, lesson learned. My super soil is gassing out a lil early on these plants as well cus it is kind of an old mix so picked up some Age old organics bloom 5-10-5 so guess I see will how well that gets me to harvest.
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have you got any plant yo-yos? i use zip-ties to hold them to the tent frame, and they do wonders for holding floppy bishes up. be sure to get the ones actually marked on the bag as "Plant Yo-Yo", and not the "Nie-Co-Rol". the former has these little insert buttons so that you can set it at the drop you want it at. the Nie-Co-Rol's are identical to the Yo-Yo's, but do not come with said button (it's a separate, additional push-in piece), and so they will just keep pulling on your plant if the limb doesn't have sufficient weight to balance the force of the device.

Have to check those yo yos out, thanks for that. Got ratchet hangers that I could essentially use as yo-yos, have to try it in the future, that tent is coming down in 2 weeks so would be a lil to much hassle imo lol (lazy). I do not have a problem with it lighting up the space its just that the center of my room gets noticably bigger buds than the other side of the canopy, suppose I could start turning my plants more (seriously just occurred to me, stupid stoner moment) but would have to stick with my constructo cage instead of the yo yos dont want a tangled mess of buds lol. Would rep ya but

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Edit: Man I really missed your long breakdowns of stuff while you were gone lol, you break shit down really well,

natro.hydro said:

Have to check those yo yos out, thanks for that. Got ratchet hangers that I could essentially use as yo-yos, have to try it in the future, that tent is coming down in 2 weeks so would be a lil to much hassle imo lol (lazy). I do not have a problem with it lighting up the space its just that the center of my room gets noticably bigger buds than the other side of the canopy, suppose I could start turning my plants more (seriously just occurred to me, stupid stoner moment) but would have to stick with my constructo cage instead of the yo yos dont want a tangled mess of buds lol. Would rep ya but

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Edit: Man I really missed your long breakdowns of stuff while you were gone lol, you break shit down really well,

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for the text i bolded above, you want a light mover then. it will spread those lumens out so that the canopy is more even. and then you don't have to worry about turning or rotating plants and the Yo-Yo's are a full go!

note to mods: the picture above is included for the reader's reference only; as this is exactly what i use. i am not endorsing a place to get them from or saying that they work better than ones that are colored blue , or yellow . even tho, i just now found those sexy 2-hook yellow ones hump in a google image search, and now i want those ones instead of the ones i have... man, look at those spring loaded buttons on them! fml i have like 100 yo-yos to replace...

but i digress... so ya.. my last run in the 4x6, with the Lic's and the Cheese, and the Magoo... that was a case of (ya, i'll say it myself) "i shoulda had more light for that canopy". but hey... i work with what i got... the other 420s were, at that time, over the UC; and i had the soil plants that if i didn't flip them i woulda had to firewood them... underlit buds > no buds every time... so this time when i was planning the tent, i didnt have UC lined up and so those plants could claim both combos... im planning on getting another combno and another pontoon to round out my naked (3rd) 420, then i can get the UC running. unfortunately i haven't been able to outpace these unexpected expenses that keep tapping out my "Spliffie's New Light Fund"...

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Amen bro exactly why I was thinking with the light mover, dont even wanna ask what kind you use for fear of incrimination.... their watching lol. And that double yo yo seems legit, I know I have seen em at the rack they got at check out full of lil shit that stoners look at and are like "ooooo" at the local hydro shop. Just not sure if they are the bunk ones you mentioned or actual plant yo yos. Should start a kick starter bro, idk what you would give in exchange for donation but kickstarters actually seem to get shit done.

Do Not Try This At Home. This is being done by highly trained professionals.

Now are there any thoughts as to why someone would want to submerge a perfectly good, modified 420 lamp into a tank of fresh water, light it off and then stick their hand in there? What the hell could they be thinking?

chazbolin said:

Do Not Try This At Home. This is being done by highly trained professionals.

Now are there any thoughts as to why someone would want to submerge a perfectly good, modified 420 lamp into a tank of fresh water, light it off and then stick their hand in there? What the hell could they be thinking?


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The guys a moderate to heavy tweeker? Prolly works graveyard shift at Kmart with all the other tweekers?

Tweekers don't work. They steal.. Those are just rednecks imported from Iowa and Kentucky

hyroot said:

Tweekers don't work. They steal.. Those are just rednecks imported from Iowa and Kentucky

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Lol...gotcha man

If you didn't phosphor coat the bulb a
submerged indagro 420 would be a bad ass UV steralizer !!!

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SCARHOLE said:

If you didn't phosphor coat the bulb a
submerged indagro 420 would be a bad ass UV steralizer !!!

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Yup.

When submerged this 250 watt lamp we built out of quartz glass will sterilize water to drinkable levels at the rate of 250GPM. Pretty impressive if I do say so myself.

The phosphor coated lamp beneath it will be growing commercial algae. Another cash crop if you will.



That NH21 x MM is looking seriously delicious Scar! Nice run bro!

chazbolin said:

Yup.

When submerged this 250 watt lamp we built out of quartz glass will sterilize water to drinkable levels at the rate of 250GPM. Pretty impressive if I do say so myself.

The phosphor coated lamp beneath it will be growing commercial algae. Another cash crop if you will.

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That NH21 x MM is looking seriously delicious Scar! Nice run bro!

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will the quartz glass bulbs be for sale at anytime? That may be cheaper than running filters in the long run. or run both

I'm told there will be 100 watt lamps available for retail by the end of the year. The larger ones are going to a few OEM companies that are purchasing them for a variety of applications. One such that I know of involves swimming pools where they want to eliminate chlorine altogether from the system.

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I'm told there will be 100 watt lamps available for retail by the end of the year. The larger ones are going to a few OEM companies that are purchasing them for a variety of applications. One such that I know of involves swimming pools where they want to eliminate chlorine altogether from the system.

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that would be great for hotels. You know shadow ridge. They have a huge salt water pool. They add chlorine to it. So many people are in that pool everyday. Adding chlorine to salt water is an oxymoron.

I'm going to grab one or 2 of those at the end of the year.

Its funny intold Tony wu @ riant about the UV sgeralizer market he didn't care
Lol
Hope Daryl makes $ off em.


Coukd yiu ask Daryl about a switch to run the 730 nm during the day for emmerson effect??
I bet it woukd help hemp growth. ....

Coukd yiu ask Daryl about a switch to run the 730 nm during the day for emmerson effect??
I bet it woukd help hemp growth. ....

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The phosphors already emit a small amount of 730nm. You don't want the 730 to overpower the 660 at lights on and that was the concern with running the 730 diodes at lights on. But I have no problem wiring one up to trial it on my next run. I know they won't trial it on tomatoes because the results they are already getting at day 52 on their greenhouse are truly impressive and they have alot on their plate right now with some of these other projects.

Its funny intold Tony wu @ riant about the UV sgeralizer market he didn't care
Lol

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The Chinese simply do not innovate. They mimic what works and build it cheaper. I'm not surprised you got that response. A friendly little laugh with a pat on the head and a request to buy more of the shit they already make.

Hope Daryl makes $ off em.

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Money will be made on these types of products because it's simply a matter of improving on an already amazing technology. Making boatloads of money is not what drives them. They have already refused purchase offers that would have made alot of sense from the cash out standpoint. Their response is 'we are not done yet.'

hey gang!

new update time, unfortunately i haven't got time to jibber-jabber about it... got to plant and water a bunch of clones and then finish taking cuts for the night...

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