Inda-gro Induction...

chazbolin said:

nope your thinking LPS

the bulbs can explode.

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Yeah, the question prompted me to go look it up on wiki, since I don't know that much about bulbs really. There is a runaway process that can occur I guess. Hope that never happens to me lol

btw, saw the Inda-gro lights a couple weeks ago at a mmj exhibition here in Maine. Seriously considering giving them a go. I am currently running two rooms with 3200 (2x 1k, 2x 600) in each room. I could replace a couple of those, do some comparison.

But aren't hps bulbs open fixture rated...I know when I used to buy philips HPS at the home depot they don't mention enclosed fixtures only like the MH bulbs also sold their........strange/ yeah I know of the LPS but I thought HPS are also under low pressure........well shit I learned something new...... I have rarely heard of hps catastrophically failing when a quality bulb was used unlike MH.....


edit: okay now I see my confusion in thinking both lps/hps are low pressure that my lighting budy always told me........the bulbs themselves are both under low pressure(xenon/argon filled) surrounding the arc, but in a HPS the arc is under high pressure surrounded by low pressure gas......wew , yeah his generalization of the light tech was somewhat flawed.........

Intensity - inverse square law - http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/isql.html


Hps is a single point of light so it will be more intense. Led is multiple single points of light. sulfur, induction, and t5 are not single points of light so less intensity. Thos lights need to be and can be much closer to canopy. Benefit of spread out points of light - no dark spots.

Ever hear the phrase Jack of All trades, A Master of None? It applies to anything that is multitasking.

If you think about the life cycle of plants in nature...

Seeds are planted in early spring with very cool temps. The sun hitting earth is mostly blue light (virtually no > 615nms).

Plants are harvested in autumn, when there is not as much blue light, but a lot more red.

IMO, the closer we get to mimicking nature the better the result.

An Inda Gro PAR or isn't going to do that. Not sayin you can't get good results, but it is an expensive compromise compared to the more flexible HO T5 alternative. Now if Inda-Gro designs a hybid fixture so that far red-IR can be added when needed (flip of a switch) then it becomes interesting to me.

PetFlora, I am a relative newbie so you can take what I say with a grain of salt. But I do take issue with one of your comments, "the closer we get to mimicking nature the better the result." Sure, mimicking nature should produce a nice, healthy plant. But we want more than that. We strive to produce plants that are more potent, higher-yielding than they might be in just 8 weeks or so in nature, even in optimum conditions. So, we take all kinds of measures like super nutes, perfect H20, add CO2, etc etc. Surely light is part of that equation and we are, in some ways, trying to outdo nature by providing spectrums in higher abundance which are known to produce certain features, like bigger buds.
But, what do I know lol

@pet: you wanna talk expensive? Compare my sunblaze 48 against my Pro-200-PAR, one year projection:

------------------- Sunblaze 48 -- Pro-200-PAR
MSRP ------------- $280 ------------- $610
annual bulb cost - $120 -------------- $0
wattage ----------- 432w ------------ 200w

after one year, the sunblaze has had a raw cost of $400, but costs more than double the electric bill as the 200-PAR. The 200-PAR puts out at least double the light intensity of the Sunblaze 48, but it's greater PAR, and the plants respond to it much better. Depending on what 1 kWh costs where you live, the one year mark may be the break even point for the 200-PAR in this comparison. It's so funny how entry price is a common topic brought up in objection to these lamps, despite the better performance over HID lighting, but those price objections come from people that would rather spend many times more money over time in the form of bulb replacement and higher electric bills. imagine the breakdown of the 420-PAR vs a 1000w HPS; 150$ bulbs every 3-6 months... LOL, and you talk expenses... I think you are addicted to buyin bulbs!

@tet1953: i agree with you. Plants have spent several millennia evolving in earth's environment to come to their current mode of functioning. As such, the indoor gardener has the opportunity to craft a custom environment for their plants, one where the light is on or off at our whim, we set the RH and temp ranges, we choose when water happens, and how nourishing the soil(medium) is for the plant. So long as we have an understanding of the cause and effect of environment variables to plant activity, we are then free to change variables in order to control what the plant does (ymmv). It's not a matter of mimicking nature indoors, it's a matter of improving upon nature indoors.

Now to put this Thread on the right direction as the THREAD OWNER i tell all you LED T5 FAGGOTS TOO FUCK OFF!! THIS IS ABOUT INDA-GRO NOT INDA-GRO T5'S OR INDA-GRO LEDS PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

And for all those who think a 420w is comparable to a 1000w your dreaming! i would say put a 430w hps vs 420w inda-gro more comparable then 1000w..

I'm not sure if I would try to directly compare a 1000w HPS with a Pro-420-PAR... but then I'd never use a 1000w HPS. In running my 420-PAR vs a 600w HPS, I can see that they will light comparable areas, but due to the difference in spectrum, it's hard to really trust the eyes. In any event, tho, I'm running the 420 on a mover, and the plants under it are more developed and have denser, larger buds than the ones getting the 600w HPS treatment. I would figure for a 5x10 tent like mine, that two 1000w HPS lamps, or 3 420-PARs (potentially on a mover w/ slave trolly) would be capable of similar intensity at the canopy, but the PARs would clock 800w less, not need AC, be fine on a 120v circuit, give a fuller spectrum with all of the associated benefits of that.

The fools will get left behind hehe spliff!!

Let's see some bud pics from Inda-gro and that will tell us how good they are.

I respect your right to tell me to F off. However, my comments were Inda- Gro related. Good light but...

Ado

Yeah....a little harsh their spliff I'm just curios about these panels/only other grow I know is at icmag..............

did you guys ever check these panels http://www.fluorogrow.com/index.php/induction-grow-lights.html .......built in america/10yr warranty/good ballast 85% efficiency/ their 200w is the only good deal and if you use FGSPECIAL you get 10% off!!! really thinking about it..

good luck on your grows/ love too see more pics...........

PSUAGRO. said:

Yeah....a little harsh their spliff I'm just curios about these panels/only other grow I know is at icmag..............

did you guys ever check these panels http://www.fluorogrow.com/index.php/induction-grow-lights.html .......built in america/10yr warranty/good ballast 85% efficiency/ their 200w is the only good deal and if you use FGSPECIAL you get 10% off!!! really thinking about it..

good luck on your grows/ love too see more pics...........

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fluorogrow uses two 200 watt lamps and drivers to get the 400 watt rating. When lamps, like CFL coils construction for example, take the coils and bang photons against the back reflector or against opposing glass tubes that energy is then intensity lost to the canopy.

In the fluorogrow design you have the two rectangular shaped lamps with both lamps inner glass energy not being reflected to the canopy but with two lamps side by side you also have the outside edges of each tube that face each other not being reflected to the canopy. This design will cancel a lot of energy that should be directed down as energy lost to the plants.

This is simply a less expensive product to mfg and ship compared to the longer Inda-Gro lamps. The Inda-Gro 420 lamp covers a larger even footprint with more energy to the canopy and a utilizes a single driver for less money. Maybe someone will do a side by side and the fluorogrow will out produce the Inda-Gro and I'll be the first to mea culpa but until then has anyone seen a fluorogrow grow?

^^^like^^^yeah that makes sense, never seen anyone use that panel either/ figured multiple 200w single units would out perform one 420w par indagro......
their is also the CALIKING panel sold by webhydro that has the longer/narrower bulb similar to indagro..........i don't know, but i feel that indagro's 200w pricing is absurdly high compared to the higher wattage panel(420w)....

be safe and happy growing...

I'd love to see inda-gro 420 buds compared to HID 600W. Anyone know of pics or a side by side of that?

PetFlora said:

I respect your right to tell me to F off. However, my comments were Inda- Gro related. Good light but...

Ado

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Didnt mean to offend the other day dude... i was smokeless that day! I just wanna see positive shit in the thread about inda-gro!

YouGrowBoy said:

I'd love to see inda-gro 420 buds compared to HID 600W. Anyone know of pics or a side by side of that?

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Dude its right here... go back a few pages Splifferous and Chazbolin are both happy campers!

@Spliff Hows those girls treating you man? Im gathering my ammo on the canna boost v liquid lead discussion.. Im a noobie i dont believe in big $$ magic potions to grow plants! Simple Canna A+B Liquid Lead and PK for flowering!

YouGrowBoy said:

I'd love to see inda-gro 420 buds compared to HID 600W. Anyone know of pics or a side by side of that?

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dood... look back a couple pages in this thread. i posted a video. Pro-420-PAR vs 600w HPS.

harvest is 3 weeks out. i'll most likely post an update next week, and then one at harvest.

Buck123 said:

Dude its right here... go back a few pages Splifferous and Chazbolin are both happy campers!

@Spliff Hows those girls treating you man? Im gathering my ammo on the canna boost v liquid lead discussion.. Im a noobie i dont believe in big $$ magic potions to grow plants! Simple Canna A+B Liquid Lead and PK for flowering!

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hey Buck. ya, next run im gonna do a purple durban pair, identical everything except one will not get Canna Boost. then i'll know whats up on that for sure. the babies in the tent are getting off the chain! the PDP in there now is so damn sugary! i can't wait to get another 420 and then i can throw this HPS crap in the trash! also, i love the 200-PAR in veg so much, i listed my SunBlaze 48 on CL. cant wait to be rid of it!