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Having stated your intentions to become a LP, itd be hard to view your statement as unbiased. IF say, a DG is inspected and passes, whats to say they can't provide a clean safe product? Shit we have to take LPs word for it! And they are allowed 6 or 7 pesticides which they can use straight through harvest if they want. And not have to tell their CUSTOMERS about it. Hows that fit into your pesticide question earlier? They dont view ppl as patients plain and simple

itsmehigh said:

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Either way someone gets a golden ticket, if I was sick I would want some sort of peace of mind that my meds were safe. There are many unscrupulous people out there growing, and their only concern is their bottom line. Your telling me that if you were sick and needed to choose from a producer you would pick one that was not regulated to test and provide safe meds? How would you choose what producer to use?

Itsme.

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i can look at what they produce. i have a bud scope for a closer look that magnifies 100 times. as well as see the grow. if you see healthy plants, they're doing something but if you see wilted, dark green stressed plants, run away
do you test your own product? if not, why not? someone chose you to produce for them....what are your testing policies? how did they chose you?

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Absolutely I can. But can you identify the pesticide or fungicide that was used to treat your meds? hypothetically how would you choose a supplier of your meds? From an unknown source or from a source that needs to follow some sort of GMP?

Itsme.

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So we've gone through this circus with Ricky already, but it's myth that there's some sort of epidemic of 'sprayed' (seriously this is the dumbest thing ever) weed.

People do not spray weed just for kicks, and I'm still waiting to see proof of people in Canada getting sick from 'tainted' weed.

Do you require GMP when you buy fruit from a farmer's market? This isn't rocket appliances here, look at the product, and look for any signs of mold.

If a person is paranoid enough that they need to send every vegetable they eat to a lab, that's fine, but again that does not fit into the 'reasonable person' criterion, which legally, is what matters.

The 'but GMP!!' is a poorly disguised argument in favor of artificial barriers to entry. No different than the ridiculous hoops LP's are forced to jump through.

itsmehigh said:

Absolutely I can. But can you identify the pesticide or fungicide that was used to treat your meds? hypothetically how would you choose a supplier of your meds? From an unknown source or from a source that needs to follow some sort of GMP?

Itsme.

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GMP's allow pesticide..approved ones anyways. I've never needed it and I believe thats mostly due to the scale of my grows and I keep a close eye on clones I purchase from whoever

So IMO, I would avoid a large scale operation if I was concerned.

CalyxCrusher said:

Having stated your intentions to become a LP, itd be hard to view your statement as unbiased. IF say, a DG is inspected and passes, whats to say they can't provide a clean safe product? Shit we have to take LPs word for it! And they are allowed 6 or 7 pesticides which they can use straight through harvest if they want. And not have to tell their CUSTOMERS about it. Hows that fit into your pesticide question earlier? They dont view ppl as patients plain and simple

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I was a dg for 5 years, I never used a non natural or non organic IPM, it can be done, but I've seen lots of people using nasties too.
No you take the lab test word for it.
There are many Un approved poisons on the market that are used in non regulated grows.
LP's are just like any other producer you will have good ones and bad ones, the onus is on the patient to due their due diligence to pick one that they feel meets their personal criteria.

Itsme.

doingdishes said:

i can look at what they produce. i have a bud scope for a closer look that magnifies 100 times. as well as see the grow. if you see healthy plants, they're doing something but if you see wilted, dark green stressed plants, run away
do you test your own product? if not, why not? someone chose you to produce for them....what are your testing policies? how did they chose you?

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I don't need to test my product because I know everything that went into the cultivation of my garden.

Itsme.

If I was looking for a caregiver, I would ask to see the grow. If the grower says no, its a sign to keep looking.

ive been growing since the 80's, I like to think I have a firm grasp on how to grow a clean quality product. I also have ethics and consider myself to have compassion. Regardless of Regulated GMP's my cannabis will be grown free of pesticides or fungicides, but if I had the choice to buy cannabis that was grown under unknown conditions or cannabis that was grown with some sort of GMP I would pick the tested one. Just like how I purchase my fruits, veggies, and meats, fresh,local,organic. Iam very careful in this day and age to what I put into my body. I do my due diligence and ask questions where my food comes from, cannabis should be no different.

Itsme.

Do you use synthetic nutrients?

Brian Savage said:

Do you use synthetic nutrients?

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No I use refined mineral salts...nothing synthetic about it.

itsmehigh said:

I don't need to test my product because I know everything that went into the cultivation of my garden.

Itsme.

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so why can't that be the same for someone else? that's the answer from every grower.
i'll try this-if i was looking for a DG and was looking at you-how would you go about showing me that you're a good choice?
you asked how a DG would be chosen etc and should be testing their product and then you say you don't test. kind of contradictory don't you think?

doingdishes said:

so why can't that be the same for someone else? that's the answer from every grower.
i'll try this-if i was looking for a DG and was looking at you-how would you go about showing me that you're a good choice?
you asked how a DG would be chosen etc and should be testing their product and then you say you don't test. kind of contradictory don't you think?

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I would have no problem showing you and educating you on my grow, In fact I would be proud to show you my gear. That's the point I'm trying to get across not all LP's are bad or evil. There are some very good people out there like myself, and you can't paint all LP's with the same brush. Currently I'm not growing for other people just myself, but if I was growing somebodies meds. I would insist it be tested. I got no qualms about throwing away tainted meds, unlike the monstrosities like tweed that just irradiate failed product. i take offence when I'm lumped in with those monstocities, I'm not a corporation or big business, I'm just a regular guy with a passion and skill, wanting to share the fruits of my labour. Does that make me a bad guy?

Itsme

itsmehigh said:

There are many Un approved poisons on the market that are used in non regulated grows.

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Proof please.

Also with regard to 'unknown' conditions, this is another FUD ploy. When I go to a farmer's market, and look at tomatoes, I know roughly what 'conditions' they were grown under, someone planted a tomato plant. That is the part that is 'no different than cannabis'.

With no proof of your allegations, to use a Phelan phrase, there is a 'paucity of evidence' that does not justify your proposed regulations, which the court would undoubtedly find 'over-broad' and without justification.

itsmehigh said:

I would have no problem showing you and educating you on my grow, In fact I would be proud to show you my gear. That's the point I'm trying to get across not all LP's are bad or evil. There are some very good people out there like myself, and you can't paint all LP's with the same brush. Currently I'm not growing for other people just myself, but if I was growing somebodies meds. I would insist it be tested. I got no qualms about throwing away tainted meds, unlike the monstrosities like tweed that just irradiate failed product. i take offence when I'm lumped in with those monstocities, I'm not a corporation or big business, I'm just a regular guy with a passion and skill, wanting to share the fruits of my labour. Does that make me a bad guy?

Itsme

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The issue here is not what you do, or some vague character judgement, but whether everyone else should be forced to. Or more accurately, whether a reasonable person would say they should be forced to.

Ever heard of avid, Nova, they are regularly used on BM cannabis crops. Except your talking about food I'm talking about someone's medicine. First your a professor now your a judge.....geeesh tough crowd.

Itsme

itsmehigh said:

Ever heard of avid, Nova, they are regularly used on BM cannabis crops. Except your talking about food I'm talking about someone's medicine. First your a professor now your a judge.....geeesh tough crowd.

Itsme

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Once again, prove that these pesticides are used, and that they have led to people getting sick.

We can go around and around forever here, but the bottom line is the LPC can rewrite the MMPR to say you have to be able to stand on one leg for an hour to qualify, but that doesn't mean it's constitutional (it isn't). So if you want to speculate on how we can further involve the nanny state in our business, be my guest.

However, what I'm telling you are the legal realities of the world, if you want to try and rewrite the magna carta / Charter go ahead, but I don't think you're going to have very much success.

JungleStrikeGuy said:

Once again, prove that these pesticides are used, and that they have led to people getting sick.

We can go around and around forever here, but the bottom line is the LPC can rewrite the MMPR to say you have to be able to stand on one leg for an hour to qualify, but that doesn't mean it's constitutional (it isn't). So if you want to speculate on how we can further involve the nanny state in our business, be my guest.

However, what I'm telling you are the legal realities of the world, if you want to try and rewrite the magna carta / Charter go ahead, but I don't think you're going to have very much success.

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I think it would be impossible to prove certain pesticides are being used in a BM grow. But I wouldn't doubt it. More likely a large OC grow would do that than someone who is smoking their own.

You seem like an intellectet person, and the fact that you shop at a farmers market tells me your concerned what goes into your body. Then why would you consume cannabis that you have no idea how it was grown or if any poison was used in the cultivation. That makes no sense to me, I for one would like to know that some form of GMP was used to bring a safe test product to market, it's just common sense to me.

Itsme

Monstrosity is the word you were looking for and yes you are just as bad as the rest of the lp's and lp wannabes. Dirty as fuck. You played fast and loose withe the mmar and tried to play the mmpr game but got denied. Everything that you've been suggesting isn't to keep anyone safe it's to restrict our access to medication. Not gonna fly mr dirty as fuck. Hi it's me..