Insanely Concentrated Wealth Is Strangling Our Prosperity

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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st0wandgrow said:
No, the difference is that you make everything personal...
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At least he didn't go on for days about how black people do not know what is in their best interests or thatthey tend to embrace antisemitism and homophobia, like you did.

And you wonder why people don't like Bernouts...
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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st0wandgrow said:
A few.

So, clarify what you meant then by "hate the game, not the player"? Foggy and I aren't in agreement with what you meant.

Who's "the player" in your scenario. What's "the game"?
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If you want rich people to pay more taxes, then raise their taxes.

If they're committing unprecedented blue collar crime, arrest them, if the law allows for it then change it.

But sitting on the internet crying about how they spend their money is just pathetic jealousy at work.

Did you not see how quickly your homie TTy the mountain man lone(r) revolutionary jumped to defend corporations once I mentioned that LED manufacturers rip off their customers by charging 4 - 7 times their cost?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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SneekyNinja said:
If you want rich people to pay more taxes, then raise their taxes.
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I can't. I can only vote for someone that proposes to do that, and it's pretty slim pickings.

SneekyNinja said:
If they're committing unprecedented blue collar crime, arrest them, if the law allows for it then change it.
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Assuming you mean white collar crime, see above.

SneekyNinja said:
But sitting on the internet crying about how they spend their money is just pathetic jealousy at work.
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I wasn't crying about anything. I was debunking the fallacy that you trotted out that a million dollars in one hand would be spent on par with a million dollars in many hands. That's simply not true. How do you think a billionaire becomes a billionaire? Certainly not by spending every penny they earn. Middle class families on the other hand spend every penny they earn out of necessity. Every penny goes back in to the economy, unlike billionaires that hoard money in off shore accounts. There's an estimated 3 trillion dollars from American citizens sitting in off shore accounts as we speak. How much of that money do you think belongs to the bottom 90% of the country?

"Hate the game not the player" is a stupid, right wing thing to say. How do you think the "game" got to be where it's at today? By the players buying off politicians in exchange for favorable legislation. Do you really think the Koch brothers spend hundreds of millions of dollars in donations to political campaigns because they oppose gay marriage? No, they spend that money because they get it back ten-fold in the form of lower taxation, corporate welfare, and lax environmental policy.

The game has been rigged, and it has been rigged by both "the players" and crooked politicians. If you haven't clued in to this yet then you're not paying attention, or you're not very bright.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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st0wandgrow said:
I can't. I can only vote for someone that proposes to do that, and it's pretty slim pickings.



Assuming you mean white collar crime, see above.



I wasn't crying about anything. I was debunking the fallacy that you trotted out that a million dollars in one hand would be spent on par with a million dollars in many hands. That's simply not true. How do you think a billionaire becomes a billionaire? Certainly not by spending every penny they earn. Middle class families on the other hand spend every penny they earn out of necessity. Every penny goes back in to the economy, unlike billionaires that hoard money in off shore accounts. There's an estimated 3 trillion dollars from American citizens sitting in off shore accounts as we speak. How much of that money do you think belongs to the bottom 90% of the country?

"Hate the game not the player" is a stupid, right wing thing to say. How do you think the "game" got to be where it's at today? By the players buying off politicians in exchange for favorable legislation. Do you really think the Koch brothers spend hundreds of millions of dollars in donations to political campaigns because they oppose gay marriage? No, they spend that money because they get it back ten-fold in the form of lower taxation, corporate welfare, and lax environmental policy.

The game has been rigged, and it has been rigged by both "the players" and crooked politicians. If you haven't clued in to this yet then you're not paying attention, or you're not very bright.
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Boo hoo, I got my colors mixed up...Ive spent most of the day so far in my yard smoking plant and there ain't any sign of stopping after lunch either.

The rest of it is either strawman or fantasy...

You're getting tedious, you type so much but say so little but hockey players aren't known for their intellectual prowess I suppose.
 
Fogdog

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zeddd said:
The "free" healthcare in the uk is a ruse, the clinical standards are far poorer than in the US, eg misdiagnosis for primary health care runs at 40%. This is due to lack of adequate central funding, however there is always money for bombs and new, redundant, aircraft carriers.
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I envy your eminently fixable problem. Outcomes and costs are leagues better in the UK compared to US. We have no clear path to solving this problem any time soon. The party in control is determined to make it worse.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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SneekyNinja said:
Boo hoo, I got my colors mixed up...Ive spent most of the day so far in my yard smoking plant and there ain't any sign of stopping after lunch either.

The rest of it is either strawman or fantasy...

You're getting tedious, you type so much but say so little but hockey players aren't known for their intellectual prowess I suppose.
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So I'll take that non response as an admission that you're oblivious to the billions of dollars spent on political camapaigns in exchange for tax breaks and corporate welfare.

Jesus H, you have no room to be yapping about intellectual prowess. I'd expect to be explaining this shit to a mouth breathing Trump voter.

:dunce:
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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zeddd said:
The "free" healthcare in the uk is a ruse, the clinical standards are far poorer than in the US, eg misdiagnosis for primary health care runs at 40%. This is due to lack of adequate central funding, however there is always money for bombs and new, redundant, aircraft carriers.
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Thank your neoliberal government.

How's that working out for ya?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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SneekyNinja said:
By his fucked up logic:

•Pot smokers provide a market for cannabis
•Cartels and gangs supply it

Therefore pot smokers are to blame for Cartel violence.
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That's a dumb analogy. Here's a more fitting one...

By your logic, police that kill unarmed black men aren't to blame. They are only working within the system that's in place. Don't blame the hard working, honest police squeaky! If they have any fear for their lives, they should fire away. That's what the law says. No blame falls on them. If you don't like it, change the rules!

Hate the game, not the players!

That's how retarded your argument sounds.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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SneekyNinja said:
Boo hoo, I got my colors mixed up...Ive spent most of the day so far in my yard smoking plant and there ain't any sign of stopping after lunch either.

The rest of it is either strawman or fantasy...

You're getting tedious, you type so much but say so little but hockey players aren't known for their intellectual prowess I suppose.
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He had specific points and you said, 'stoned', 'fantasy' and 'tedious'. Scintillating rebuttal, exactly what I'd expect from a closet Republican.

I'm going with both woefully uninformed AND not very bright, Stinkydigit.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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ttystikk said:
You are a fake.

Defending and allying yourself with those who apologise for defense companies' sending your brothers in arms off to die for the great cause of quarterly profits.

You must've really gotten your bell rung.
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There is nothing in this post that is accurate or true. I have criticized and berated almost everyone in this forum at one point or another. Just because I drop the truth on your head so hard doesn't mean I am "defending and allying", it just means I think you're completely full of shit. There almost seems to be a consensus forming around this.

Don't try to invoke the deaths of my battle buddies to make a bullshit political point unrelated to the war. It is extremely offensive.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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ttystikk said:
You are a fake.

Defending and allying yourself with those who apologise for defense companies' sending your brothers in arms off to die for the great cause of quarterly profits.

You must've really gotten your bell rung.
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@rollitup I was tagged by this person not as a response to something I posted, but simply to toss an insult. Now this guy wants to make this sort of comment and I can only see one reason why.

I just thought you'd like to keep an eye on him.
 
Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
So I'll take that non response as an admission that you're oblivious to the billions of dollars spent on political camapaigns in exchange for tax breaks and corporate welfare.

Jesus H, you have no room to be yapping about intellectual prowess. I'd expect to be explaining this shit to a mouth breathing Trump voter.

:dunce:
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I think you are reading too much into what Ninja is saying.

I don't see him as supporting trickle down economics or crying over poor downtrodden billionaires or protecting their outsized influence through huge campaign donations. He's just saying focus on the actions required to implement policy change.

In order to repeal the Citizens United decision or implement wealth redistribution or institute universal access to healthcare, there are a number of thing that must happen first. None of those includes bitching.

The wealth creators, founders such as Hewlett and Packard, Jobs, and other entrepreneurs who grew businesses and created new jobs are different from the rent seekers like Trump and the vulture capitalists like the Kochs. Not all paths to great wealth are vile. Tax policies that soak the rich should encourage investment that grows jobs and the economy. This isn't hard but requires thought and political will.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Fogdog said:
I think you are reading too much into what Ninja is saying.

I don't see him as supporting trickle down economics or crying over poor downtrodden billionaires or protecting their outsized influence through huge campaign donations. He's just saying focus on the actions required to implement policy change.

In order to repeal the Citizens United decision or implement wealth redistribution or institute universal access to healthcare, there are a number of thing that must happen first. None of those includes bitching.

The wealth creators, founders such as Hewlett and Packard, Jobs, and other entrepreneurs who grew businesses and created new jobs are different from the rent seekers like Trump and the vulture capitalists like the Kochs. Not all paths to great wealth are vile. Tax policies that soak the rich should encourage investment that grows jobs and the economy. This isn't hard but requires thought and political will.
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Thank fucking God someone can actually read.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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ttystikk said:
You lumped all LED makers into one pile. Yet another glaring logical error on the part of the Republican in the closet.

High quality LED is drastically different from the cheap garbage hawked on Amazon by Chinese suppliers.
If you knew fuck all about LED you'd have never made the mistake.

You don't grow shit, do you? Not even a lawn.
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Oh, so you don't lump people into groups at all, no?

You're a hypocrite and a pretty fucking dumb one at that.

And I've told you I design and build my own electronics and yet you keep questioning my knowledge of the subject...

And nope, I don't grow*

*Wouldn't admit it on the internet with Trump as President either way
 
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