Insurers shrink from coasts

Dankdude

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As insurance companies retreat from their coverage of coastal areas along the Eastern Seaboard, legislators in Annapolis and other state capitals are stepping in to protect homeowners faced with fewer and fewer options.

Maryland legislators have grilled insurance executives at hearings and introduced bills that would force companies to cover all areas of the state. Lawmakers also are looking at granting the state's top regulator more authority over the industry, and offering tax breaks to encourage residents to safeguard their homes against storm damage.

The confrontation comes as Allstate Corp., State Farm Insurance Cos. and Nationwide Mutual Insurance Co. - three of the largest insurers in Maryland - have moved to limit their liability along the Atlantic Coast and in some cases near the Chesapeake Bay, areas feared to be at heightened risk from hurricanes. Similar changes have been made in other coastal areas; State Farm recently decided to stop selling new policies on homes and small businesses in all of Mississippi.

"We have to send the message you just can't pick and choose based on some prediction of what may happen in the future," said Sen. Norman R. Stone Jr., a Baltimore County Democrat. "If things were 100 percent guaranteed, you wouldn't need insurance."

Companies are not only refusing new policies in coastal areas; they are raising rates, imposing higher deductibles and dropping coverage for certain claims, such as mold damage. They are doing so even though many states, including Maryland, have taken on higher-risk homeowners through government-run insurers of last resort.

The changes by insurance companies follow devastating coastal storms in recent years, and an explosion of waterfront development such as expensive homes and condos. Also, some forecasters are making cataclysmic predictions of a hurricane costing $100 billion in insured losses, or twice as much as Hurricane Katrina, which pounded the Gulf Coast two years ago.

"Coastal exposure is potentially bankrupting exposure," said Joseph J. Annotti, spokesman for Property Casualty Insurers Association of America, which represents some of the nation's largest homeowner insurers.

Climate changes, and a warmer Atlantic Ocean, have led insurers to fear that more intense hurricanes could make landfall. Risk modelers, who forecast natural disasters for the insurance industry, have changed their methods to take into account the higher sea temperatures that fuel storms. While there is debate in the industry over whether global warming or a long-term cyclical trend is to blame, insurers are responding.

"There is a growing nervousness in the insurance community about global warming, and the more nervous they are, the more they charge for coverage," said Robert E. Litan, an economist and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank. "Consumers may say, 'I've been in my home 20 years and never made a claim,' but insurance companies say that, unfortunately, the past is not prologue."

Industry attacked
The industry's retrenchment has been assailed by consumer advocates.

"These companies are making record profits, and it's not like there have been a lot of hurricanes in Maryland lately," said J. Robert Hunter, director of insurance at the Consumer Federation of America and a former federal insurance administrator. "If states don't act, then some people are going to get hurt."

Allstate announced in December that it would stop writing new policies in all or part of 11 Maryland counties while continuing to renew existing policies. It also said it would charge hurricane deductibles of up to 5 percent, which on a $500,000 condo would be $25,000. Last week, the company told lawmakers that it was voluntarily delaying the changes until it satisfies inquiries from state regulators.

Other insurers have made less-sweeping changes. State Farm decided to stop writing policies within 2,500 feet of the ocean, up from 1,000 feet, and to introduce a hurricane deductible of 2 percent. Nationwide capped new business in coastal areas and won't write new policies in some areas near Ocean City.

While regulators say that insurers are still available in every part of the state, choice is limited in some places. When Ellicott City retiree Jim Hagan bought a vacation home in Ocean City two years ago, he contacted his longtime insurance company for a homeowner's policy, only to be told it doesn't provide coverage in that area. He thumbed through the phone book for another insurer, with no luck. Eventually a broker found him a policy, but a year later, that insurer dropped him.

Now he has a policy through Lloyd's of London with an unregulated carrier, an option for those who can't find coverage elsewhere. "My worry is that suppose we do have a big storm in Ocean City and Lloyd's decides to pull out of the area," Hagan said. "Who's left? I don't know."

On Smith Island, Maryland's most isolated island community and home to 400 people, Lloyd's of London is one of a few companies that will insure homes. The island has lost one-third of its landmass to rising sea level and erosion over the past 150 years and could be submerged by the end of the century.

"People who are trying to buy homeowner's insurance to protect their home are finding it extremely difficult to find someone to insure them, and if they do, it's prohibitively expensive," said Del. Susan L.M. Aumann, a Baltimore County Republican. "What they call it in the banking industry is redlining."

Maryland Insurance Commissioner R. Steven Orr, a former executive with an affiliate of insurer Zurich Financial Services Group appointed by then-Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., has cautioned legislators against passing a law that would require insurers to provide coverage in coastal areas, saying that it would only exacerbate the situation by prompting companies to leave the state entirely.

Sen. Thomas M. Middleton, chairman of the Finance Committee and a Charles County Democrat, said that he doesn't think the bill filed by Stone requiring coverage in coastal areas will pass but that other legislation, suggested by Orr, might have a better chance. Those proposals would allow Orr to pre-approve changes to an insurer's geographic perimeters and require that companies consider a certain amount of historical data in risk modeling. They would also give tax breaks to residents who take steps such as putting up storm shutters or anchoring home foundations.
 

Dankdude

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Gov. Martin O'Malley's office is looking at Stone's bill and a companion measure by Del. Joseph J. "Sonny" Minnick, a Baltimore County Democrat, said O'Malley spokesman Rick Abbruzzese.

"Certainly if Isabel taught us anything, it's that people need a safety net," he said.

Many legislators working on the issue say their districts were hit hard by Tropical Storm Isabel in 2003, which spawned floods and caused more than $400 million in property damage in Maryland.

Lisa Ray of Pasadena said that insurers shortchanged her on claims from Isabel, which brought waves crashing through the ground floor of her home on Patapsco Bay, nearly destroying it. So when she heard about some insurers limiting their business in areas such as her neighborhood, she started contacting legislators. The insurers were not involved in her fight over flood insurance, which is underwritten by the federal government, but she was miffed nonetheless.

"It was immediately a hot button with me; I just saw this as another huge injustice and that the insurance companies are at it again," she said. "If they are allowed to choose only low-risk policies, they are going to make even more massive profits than they already make, while putting some homeowners at risk."

Other states have taken more drastic action.

In Connecticut, the attorney general has opened an investigation into attempts by some insurers to require that coastal homeowners install storm shutters, which can be costly, as a condition of continuing coverage. In Georgia, officials are investigating whether an insurer is trying to circumvent a law aimed at ensuring that coastal property owners get coverage. Several states also have fought rate increases, and California ordered several insurers to cut premiums by more than $400 million.

In Congress, legislators are investigating the insurance industry's handling of Hurricane Katrina claims. They are also considering a bill that would add wind coverage to the National Flood Insurance Program; this came after homeowner claims were denied by private insurers who determined damage from Katrina was the result of flooding, not wind.

Insurance companies say they could be on the hook for potentially huge payouts on natural disasters. According to the most recent hurricane study from A.M. Best Co., an insurance rating agency, a Category 4 hurricane plowing ashore near Atlantic City could cause $110 billion in damage throughout the Northeast and leave as many as 30 insurers "in severe financial stress." Category 5 is the strongest storm level.

Unprofitable business
While property and casualty insurers saw their profits rise 12 percent in 2005 to $43 billion despite record-high catastrophe losses, industry officials say other lines of business, including auto insurance, are included in that figure. At the same time, the cost of re-insurance, which is purchased by an insurer to protect against especially large risks, has increased sharply.

Homeowner insurance can be an unprofitable business - insurers paid out $10.4 billion more than they earned in Florida over the past 15 years, according to the Insurance Information Institute. In Maryland, Allstate has been asked by regulators to provide information on its premiums and payouts in the state.

Insurers also say that part of the blame must lie with developers and residents who build in vulnerable places. "I don't think the industry should be vilified for saying, 'You shouldn't be building in a place that floods every year or on those sand dunes, and if you still want to build, it will cost you this much for insurance,'" said Wendy A. Baker, president of Lloyd's America.
 

medicineman

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I think about all those other states where catastrophic loss is not much of an issue. The millions of homes like mine that have never filed a claim. They take my money willingly as they know the risks are slim to none, But if you live a mile away in a flood zone, you either pay through the nose for flood insurance, (floods in the desert, who'd of thunk) or get no coverage from flood damage. In my humble opinion, Insurance companies are the biggest ripoffs on the planet. If there is a risk, they don't want to cover you but no risk and they are right there collecting. They are the shining light of Capitalism.
 

medicineman

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Too many stupid people on this earth. They build in places that are known trouble areas.
Yeah, it's stupid to want to live in a beautiful ocean front home. Why didn't I think of that. Those people are just plain stupid and deserve what they get after paying exhorbitant home insurance for all those years, stupid fucking idiots! Hey I'm with you on this one, fuck those rich bastards, they should have to live in downtown Detroit.
 

mogie

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It's stupid to let greed overtake common sense. If you live in tonado alley and a tonado flatens your house you shouldn't be surprize. If you live where hurricanes hit year after year. Guess what might just squish your house? Same with the idiots that live in flood zones, on quake faults, where fire trucks can't get to them. Stop whining you choose to live there or at least you didn't move.
 

medicineman

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It's stupid to let greed overtake common sense. If you live in tonado alley and a tonado flatens your house you shouldn't be surprize. If you live where hurricanes hit year after year. Guess what might just squish your house? Same with the idiots that live in flood zones, on quake faults, where fire trucks can't get to them. Stop whining you choose to live there or at least you didn't move.
I'll agree to part of your tenet, but the Insurance companies that have been collecting premiums for years are bailing out, that is criminal, and a sure sign of greedy Capitalism. I myself don't live in a flood zone and have not many worries but I would expect my Insurance Company that I have been paying premiums to for many years to cough up if something happened to my house.
 

mogie

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If the insurance companies contract didn't cover flooding what is the problem? Why shouldn't they bail? Most of the people you are referring to are in New Orleans right? Most didn't have any insurance at all. Those that did weren't covered by floods. Some were.
 

medicineman

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If the insurance companies contract didn't cover flooding what is the problem? Why shouldn't they bail? Most of the people you are referring to are in New Orleans right? Most didn't have any insurance at all. Those that did weren't covered by floods. Some were.
Yeah, but even the ones that were covered have been fighting to get their money since the Katrina tradgedy took place. The Ins. Co.s are shirking their duty and the government agency that is supposed to regulate them is doing nothing, thanks to Bushco! Say, are you sure you're not a member of the radical Christian Right? Sounds like it.
 

mogie

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I am a Independant. I believe that people should rely on themselves not the government. Diaster has struck before. People pull themselves up and move on. Now they just sit back and wave their arms yelling "government come save me".
 

Wavels

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Hi med, mogies’ display of common sense, I suspect, disturbs you.
Why else attempt to tarnish her with your radical Christian Right accusation?
Mogie has it exactly right.
Individual responsibility has seemingly gone the way of the dodo bird!
Insurance companies have the right to make a reasonable profit..
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from article:
Homeowner insurance can be an unprofitable business - insurers paid out $10.4 billion more than they earned in Florida over the past 15 years,
 

Dankdude

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No your a right winger who claims to be Independent. That would make you a libertarian. I have noticed that in your post you espouse corporate supremacy, that you think the Bush Administration is doing the right thing at every turn... Right Winger.... Libertarian... Take your pick, but you are far from an independent.
And in this Instance the Government needs to step in.
Personally if I were in office I would be telling the Insurance companies either they insure all areas of the United States, or they insure none… Meaning that they practice fairness in the industry and meet their obligations or they are out of business.

Oh and your full of shit here too wavels.
 

Wavels

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Hi Dankdude,
What happens when they ALL go out of business?
How do you propose to replace profit motivated insurers with some ponderous government program?
Government over-regulation is largely to blame for this mess, IMO!
 

Dankdude

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No Deregulation is to blame for most of the messes we have been in, in the recent past. Does Enron ring a bell?
What Reagan did in the 80's was needed for the time, but it has created robber barons in the long term.
The reason Regulation was brought about in the first place was for companies like US Steel in the 1920s.

Refresh yourself Wavels.
U S v. U S STEEL CORPORATION , 251 U.S. 417 (1920)

Besides it's your right wing hero’s who are out sourcing the jobs out if this nation, so in essence that would make toy question rhetorical. Because it's already happening....
What's funny is that the United States is the largest consumer of goods in the world, second only to China, What needs to be done with the companies that are leaving the US in order to increase their profits is if they take jobs away from Americans by leaving the country, then they don't do business here either.


 

Wavels

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Nope, sorry, anti-trust is an entirely different issue, I generally agree with anti trust restrictions. Monopolies are not the problem with the property insurance industry.

After you succeed in regulating property insurers out of existence, how is the government gonna help insure risk taking home owners?
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
You have to get flood insurance from the Government, property insurance should also be taken over by the governemnt....
Funny thing is, I don't have any flood insurance... But the time my house would be flooded, the rest of my town would be under 18 feet of water
 

ViRedd

New Member
Damn ... at what point do you start supporting government food production and distribution, Dank?

Vi
 

medicineman

New Member
Here's a plan: in Australia when you register your car, you pay a fee, pretty minimal, and the state insures you. It is a no-fault insurance and you can't sue for compensation. The state takes care of all expenses, medical and property. Why couldn't the Government put a fee on your home taxes and have the same type of coverage. The more at risk your abode, the more you pay, the more expensive your home the more you pay. This can be based on an assesed value and locational risks. Just take the insurance greed mongers out of the loop. Insurance is the biggest criminal enterprise in the world. they charge an arm and a leg for coverage and when you file a claim they try and either refute the claim or lowball you to the bone. All Insurance needs to be nationalized, Health, auto, life, homeowners, all need to be sheltered under the umbrella of government. If you want to go private, then it should be your priveledge to pay exhorbitant prices for coverage, just like private Dr.s . But the Auto insurance thing is a great Idea. That would even satisfy some right wingers that seek tort reform, no more costly lawsuits.
 
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