Irish Boy's 2011 Spectra Led Grow (Revenge Of Casey Jcnes))

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jdizzle22

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irishboy said:
another day of 95F in the room and its not even close to being as hot as its going to be.lol. its going to be 110F in that room.lol

heres the girls at 1 week under the spectra 500 light. ive only fed with VF-11 the whole time and just once with seaweed and bio roots, but just fed with some VF-11 today. not PHing with the VF-11 as it brings my PH to 6.8. it seems to flex up and down the PH range and i think thats its trick to how it works hit a wide range of PH to make every thing taken in? IDK but as you can see it seems to work and remember i am in a soiless mix thats not packed with food like soil.

i am very happy with the growth so far its seems very fast and they just love the light. look how healthy they are for already being that hot
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How high are you vegging at Irish? I told you about my node issues with this GLH light correct?
My 395w is a bit less powerful for the 252 diodes it has than 252 from the 500 panel (how many does the 500 actually have?), and I finally figured that 4 ft is probably just right for veg for me (I'm thinking maybe a new rule of thumb would be 1ft for ever 100w of fullspectrum/12wavelength 3w panels - what do you think? I imagine there would be a good difference with this rule and a 60 degree lens panel and a 120, but GLH is 90 so at least its half way between the 2 extremes most companies go with.
 
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irishboy

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Shwagbag said:
Crossed! And watching with interest lol.
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thanks bro
ninjagaiden said:
irishboy, when you are going to see the TRUE LIGHT, and get ur girls into some fucking canna coco. :D. after switching from soil/other soiless i dont think ill ever turn back. wowrd of advice though, gnats do love coco. easy remedy for any medium with gnats is a good 1/2 - 1 inch later of find sand on the top of the medium.

if the gnats came from the bag (i dont doubt this at all btw, ive seen this one too many times from multiple major brands), it is almost impossible to get rid of them as by the time u get the bag from actual processing, the gnats have prob multiplied are just chillin and growing in teh bag.

beat of luck homie. Got my 290's in and will be putting them to use in a couple weeks.

and out of curiosity, what is the temp in your room without the lights on?
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ya bro ive tried coco but not canna, it is next once it cools down because i dont want to run it in the summer heat and have to water every day.lol i love peat moss base mixes though and they have treated me great.

companies get to big and thats how you get gnats, they move out doors and they just breed in the bag so its infested when u plant it.
jdizzle22 said:
How high are you vegging at Irish? I told you about my node issues with this GLH light correct?
My 395w is a bit less powerful for the 252 diodes it has than 252 from the 500 panel (how many does the 500 actually have?), and I finally figured that 4 ft is probably just right for veg for me (I'm thinking maybe a new rule of thumb would be 1ft for ever 100w of fullspectrum/12wavelength 3w panels - what do you think? I imagine there would be a good difference with this rule and a 60 degree lens panel and a 120, but GLH is 90 so at least its half way between the 2 extremes most companies go with.
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my light is 24" right now
i already posted how many leds are on this light when u asked me when i 1st got them, not sure off the top of my head but i posted it for u back then on here.

in the 20's seems to be a good veg height with these lights i have.
temps with the lights out are 93F and with them on is 96F
 
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jdizzle22

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irishboy said:
thanks bro

ya bro ive tried coco but not canna, it is next once it cools down because i dont want to run it in the summer heat and have to water every day.lol i love peat moss base mixes though and they have treated me great.

companies get to big and thats how you get gnats, they move out doors and they just breed in the bag so its infested when u plant it.

my light is 24" right now
i already posted how many leds are on this light when u asked me when i 1st got them, not sure off the top of my head but i posted it for u back then on here.

in the 20's seems to be a good veg height with these lights i have.
temps with the lights out are 93F and with them on is 96F
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Sorry bro, I think I remember you saying it was 252 which was the same as my 395w and I guess the feeling that they couldn't squeeze 105w more from 252 3w diodes made me forget :P I guess they finally made a jump from like 1.5w to 1.9-2w (not sure why I couldn't think of that at the time). Man if you can grow at 2 ft and not have such an issue with me even though you have a more powerful light it must be the Mykos and the Azos or something? :O I must have used too much! They're eating too well and getting uber powerful LED light! Oh man now I gotta run around and do damage control, I totally spaced on that and was starting to warn people about having enough room for the 500w spectras... :(
 
Green Dave

Green Dave

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Hey guys cant remember if i asked this before but , Can you have too much LED power in a space?
If so what would the problems I would see?
Thanks
 
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gonnagro

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Green Dave said:
Hey guys cant remember if i asked this before but , Can you have too much LED power in a space?
If so what would the problems I would see?
Thanks
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I wonder about this too. I'm currentl using a 500W Blackstar in a cabinet and th plants look pretty pathetic. Lost all the fan leaves, (all turned yellow and died). Buds are still green but hardly any bulk. Using AN with Coco based Basement Mix. Temperatures in the cabinet have reached 103F with the Blackstar.
 
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jdizzle22

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gonnagro said:
I wonder about this too. I'm currentl using a 500W Blackstar in a cabinet and th plants look pretty pathetic. Lost all the fan leaves, (all turned yellow and died). Buds are still green but hardly any bulk. Using AN with Coco based Basement Mix. Temperatures in the cabinet have reached 103F with the Blackstar.
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How big is your space? A 500w Blackstar is probably only 260-270w (maybe 340w if they are using the 3w that run at like 2w each which I seriously doubt, you can count the # of diodes on your panel to figure it out), so unless your space is less than 3x3 I really doubt its too much light. I thought I was getting too much light from my 395w spectra in my 2.5ft x 2.5ft x 6ft space but I totally forgot about using a bunch of Mykos and Azos, so I realized my growing issues (way too many nodes) was not too much light (at like 61w per sq.ft). I'd say as long as you are under 50-60w of LED per sq. ft you shouldn't have to worry about too much light, although I think more than that is a waste).
 
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irishboy

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jdizzle22 said:
Sorry bro, I think I remember you saying it was 252 which was the same as my 395w and I guess the feeling that they couldn't squeeze 105w more from 252 3w diodes made me forget :P I guess they finally made a jump from like 1.5w to 1.9-2w (not sure why I couldn't think of that at the time). Man if you can grow at 2 ft and not have such an issue with me even though you have a more powerful light it must be the Mykos and the Azos or something? :O I must have used too much! They're eating too well and getting uber powerful LED light! Oh man now I gotta run around and do damage control, I totally spaced on that and was starting to warn people about having enough room for the 500w spectras... :(
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ya i think that rings a bell 250 or somthing?

could be the mykos or azos maybe not mixing right with ur food? or throwing PH off? not sure but i am having my light at 24" and another dude is having 1000w of his leds 24" and their great. for the most part i keep them 30" from the light but just messing around with these lights
Green Dave said:
Hey guys cant remember if i asked this before but , Can you have too much LED power in a space?
If so what would the problems I would see?
Thanks
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gonnagro said:
I wonder about this too. I'm currentl using a 500W Blackstar in a cabinet and th plants look pretty pathetic. Lost all the fan leaves, (all turned yellow and died). Buds are still green but hardly any bulk. Using AN with Coco based Basement Mix. Temperatures in the cabinet have reached 103F with the Blackstar.
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jdizzle22 said:
How big is your space? A 500w Blackstar is probably only 260-270w (maybe 340w if they are using the 3w that run at like 2w each which I seriously doubt, you can count the # of diodes on your panel to figure it out), so unless your space is less than 3x3 I really doubt its too much light. I thought I was getting too much light from my 395w spectra in my 2.5ft x 2.5ft x 6ft space but I totally forgot about using a bunch of Mykos and Azos, so I realized my growing issues (way too many nodes) was not too much light (at like 61w per sq.ft). I'd say as long as you are under 50-60w of LED per sq. ft you shouldn't have to worry about too much light, although I think more than that is a waste).
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nope never heard of too much led for a small space, i doubt thats ur case as ive read ur light really only uses like 250w or something? i am certain its something els.
 
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jdizzle22

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irishboy said:
ya i think that rings a bell 250 or somthing?

could be the mykos or azos maybe not mixing right with ur food? or throwing PH off? not sure but i am having my light at 24" and another dude is having 1000w of his leds 24" and their great. for the most part i keep them 30" from the light but just messing around with these lights


nope never heard of too much led for a small space, i doubt thats ur case as ive read ur light really only uses like 250w or something? i am certain its something els.
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The only apparent issue with my plants besides the slow increase in mass but MASSIVE increase in nodes is they seem a little darker than my last round of plants did when I put them under the Spectra. I think the Azos and Mykos are at fault, but that there is also probably too much N although not too much too much.

I'm not the one with the Blackstar Irish, it looks like you addressed that to me (I was addressing it to someone else). How much azos/mykos/calcarb have you been using or have you not been? I haven't heard anything about the tea packs they were testing on you in awhile?
 
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irishboy

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jdizzle22 said:
The only apparent issue with my plants besides the slow increase in mass but MASSIVE increase in nodes is they seem a little darker than my last round of plants did when I put them under the Spectra. I think the Azos and Mykos are at fault, but that there is also probably too much N although not too much too much.

I'm not the one with the Blackstar Irish, it looks like you addressed that to me (I was addressing it to someone else). How much azos/mykos/calcarb have you been using or have you not been? I haven't heard anything about the tea packs they were testing on you in awhile?
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nope not using their stuff on this grow, just going to use Dyna gro and that should be it. wasn't trying to add micro life them dump salt synthetic nutes in a kill them.

i was talking to them but clicked on ur post also for the multi post.
 
DelSlow

DelSlow

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What can you do to promote bigger side branches? I always end up with single cola plants, which isn't bad, but I've never had a plant super-stacked with multiple colas. I know you can top and lst but I've seen some plants left alone (no training) and they had multiple colas. Is it just genetics?
 
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irishboy

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DelSlow said:
What can you do to promote bigger side branches? I always end up with single cola plants, which isn't bad, but I've never had a plant super-stacked with multiple colas. I know you can top and lst but I've seen some plants left alone (no training) and they had multiple colas. Is it just genetics?
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genetics for the most part. or not vegging long enough will do that
 
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irishboy

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heres my girls 2 weeks since ive had them. temps have been pretty bad this last week hitting 99.9F+. my meter only goes to 99.9F i believe? any was heres the highest the temp has been recorded on my meter and the lowest for this grow. my room runs about 3F more when the 500w light is one.

i just transplanted them yesterday to 1 gal pots, the roots were very nice and i let them go a little longer then they should have in the smaller pot i noticed because of them stretching, the very high temps dont help either.

i took a pic also of one of my runts, the flash on the camera makes them look more yellow then they are. with lights out they look green all around to me. just started feeding Dyna gro and some silica. will start to LST in the next few days.

light is about 25" about the tallest plant.

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jdizzle22

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illmattio said:
so your saying i only need one spectra led 500w for my 4x4 tent?
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I would say so, my 395w is over kill for my 2.5 x 2.5 space at like 62w per square foot of floor and its about .5w per diode less powerful than the 500w. If I were you though i would get 3-4 180s or a couple 290s instead of a single 500w for that space, the advantage of more units is too great for a space bigger than 3x3. I would say anything over 50w of LED per sq. ft of floor is too much, 30-40 is probably good if you want to grow like HID at 50w per sq. ft and still save a fair amount of electricity

You can raise some lights for plants that are growing taller faster than the rest
You can use less power/fewer units until you need it (don't need much LED to veg the first month that space)
You have multiple lights should you decide to get multiple growing spaces
If you ever need to send one in for repairs you still have others to use in the mean time
Better light distribution (diodes more spread out over canopy with multiple units)
etc
etc
Of course the bigger the growing area the sooner one may wish to switch to 500w on light movers so they don't have soo many lights to deal with
 
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illmattio

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jdizzle22 said:
I would say so, my 395w is over kill for my 2.5 x 2.5 space at like 62w per square foot of floor and its about .5w per diode less powerful than the 500w. If I were you though i would get 3-4 180s or a couple 290s instead of a single 500w for that space, the advantage of more units is too great for a space bigger than 3x3. I would say anything over 50w of LED per sq. ft of floor is too much, 30-40 is probably good if you want to grow like HID at 50w per sq. ft and still save a fair amount of electricity

You can raise some lights for plants that are growing taller faster than the rest
You can use less power/fewer units until you need it (don't need much LED to veg the first month that space)
You have multiple lights should you decide to get multiple growing spaces
If you ever need to send one in for repairs you still have others to use in the mean time
Better light distribution (diodes more spread out over canopy with multiple units)
etc
etc
Of course the bigger the growing area the sooner one may wish to switch to 500w on light movers so they don't have soo many lights to deal with
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Thanks bro, yea i Have a 4x8 tent split into two rooms only got two kessil 150 for veg at the moment they're turning out really good under them, Kinda confused why people hatin on them... but looking for the best solution for flowering i also need to add to the veg lights. The 180's are you talking about the jumbo ones from prosource? but those are 600 a pop i haven't been able to find any 290's who makes them?
 
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jdizzle22

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illmattio said:
Thanks bro, yea i Have a 4x8 tent split into two rooms only got two kessil 150 for veg at the moment they're turning out really good under them, Kinda confused why people hatin on them... but looking for the best solution for flowering i also need to add to the veg lights. The 180's are you talking about the jumbo ones from prosource? but those are 600 a pop i haven't been able to find any 290's who makes them?
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Sry I thought we were both talking about growledhydro/GLH Spectra LEDs, 2 kessils for veg should be good enough and about 500w (a single 500w unit, 3-4 180s, two 290s) however you cut it on the flower side

Hey Irish, do you mind if I help out people like this in your thread? I'm just trying to be helpful (saves you and them time), but I do worry that I'm sorta hijacking your thread sometimes
 
irishboy

irishboy

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illmattio said:
so your saying i only need one spectra led 500w for my 4x4 tent?
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i have no doubt my 500w would do great in my 4x4 tent. but IMO you would be better off with two 290's for around the same price. Do not get the Jumbo UFO's from PS i have two of them sitting in my closet and cant even find myself to sale them because that would be wrong. stick with the spectra GLH's IMO.
DelSlow said:
lookin good irish!
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thanks brother
jdizzle22 said:
Sry I thought we were both talking about growledhydro/GLH Spectra LEDs, 2 kessils for veg should be good enough and about 500w (a single 500w unit, 3-4 180s, two 290s) however you cut it on the flower side

Hey Irish, do you mind if I help out people like this in your thread? I'm just trying to be helpful (saves you and them time), but I do worry that I'm sorta hijacking your thread sometimes
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ya it all depends on the grow set up. if looking for a single unit them of course i would rock the 500w, but trying to do more plants and a bigger area then two 209's would be idea. if trying to grow allot of plants over a wide area then four 180's would be choice. i like the idea of two 290's

please do help out if you can, this is what these threads are about.. my thread is ur thread bro, ive been under the weather so it dose help out
 
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