Is Gay Marriage Really That Big Deal?

Green Cross

Green Cross

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PadawanBater said:
That's the point, homosexual couples have no legal rights to eachother. They might as well be a stranger, legally speaking.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" - MLK

If I were gay, I would feel like my government, and even my fellow countrymen, are denying me equal rights as heterosexual people, simply because I am gay, I was born that way, and there is nothing I can do to change it.

If gay people feel any kind of guilt for being gay, I'd imagine it would be because of circumstances where their father was ashamed of them, or their community looked down on them, stuff like that. Not for actually being homosexual, as there is nothing you can do about it, it's just the way you are born, just like if you're white, that's the way you were born.. I don't understand why people can't grasp that.

I didn't mean to put words into your mouth, sorry man. :peace:
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If people are born gay, then explain the increase in the US gay population, compared to other countries like Australia.

And how do explain the significant rise in homosexuality amongst the male prison population? It's obvious, many people have the inclination to become gay given the right environment.

The claim that every who is gay was born that way isn't factual, accurate, or scientifically proven.
 
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Keenly

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Green Cross said:
If people are born gay, then explain the increase in the US gay population, compared to other countries like Australia.

And how do explain the significant rise in homosexuality amongst the male prison population? It's obvious, many people have the inclination to become gay given the right environment.

The claim that every who is gay was born that way isn't factual, accurate, or scientifically proven.
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cause nobody has sex against there will in prison:neutral:
 
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fdd2blk

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PadawanBater said:
That's the point, homosexual couples have no legal rights to eachother. They might as well be a stranger, legally speaking.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" - MLK

If I were gay, I would feel like my government, and even my fellow countrymen, are denying me equal rights as heterosexual people, simply because I am gay, I was born that way, and there is nothing I can do to change it.

If gay people feel any kind of guilt for being gay, I'd imagine it would be because of circumstances where their father was ashamed of them, or their community looked down on them, stuff like that. Not for actually being homosexual, as there is nothing you can do about it, it's just the way you are born, just like if you're white, that's the way you were born.. I don't understand why people can't grasp that.

I didn't mean to put words into your mouth, sorry man. :peace:
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what point? :neutral: :-?

you're mixing facts with opinions and it's confusing me.
 
hom36rown

hom36rown

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Green Cross said:
If people are born gay, then explain the increase in the US gay population, compared to other countries like Australia.

And how do explain the significant rise in homosexuality amongst the male prison population? It's obvious, many people have the inclination to become gay given the right environment.

The claim that every who is gay was born that way isn't factual, accurate, or scientifically proven.
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I could really care less whether they are born that way or not. If they are born attracted to women and somehow choose to be gay for some reason (I doubt it) then thats their choice. What is inherently wrong with to guys or two girls having sex?
 
jesters missus

jesters missus

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Green Cross said:
Farm boys have sex with cattle too, but I suppose some would argue. "they are born that way". lol
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I totally agree. You are born with no ideas and no knowledge of the outside world, so how can one say they are 'born' gay?
They can't.
They have made the decision on their own. Some people just like to do things a little differently, like Green Cross stated lol.

Peace:bigjoint:
 
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PadawanBater

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If people are born gay, then explain the increase in the US gay population, compared to other countries like Australia.

And how do explain the significant rise in homosexuality amongst the male prison population? It's obvious, many people have the inclination to become gay given the right environment.

The claim that every who is gay was born that way isn't factual, accurate, or scientifically proven.
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I would attribute the increase in the homosexual population in the US to this generation, my generation. People born mid-late 80's and 90's. Being someone in this group, it really amazes me the older people, older generations didn't figure this shit out sooner.. Seriously, does it need to take hundreds of years before we ALL have equal rights? First the only ones who had rights were white males, even in the land of the free, if you weren't white and male, freedom didn't have quite the same ring to it. Then came the black people, after over 150 years of white males enjoying freedom, entire generations of people going without knowing what freedom meant, and people being born into slavery never getting a taste of it... you people forget that shit happened on the soil where you stand, that was America. Finally a half a century later women got fed up with being second class citizens and fought for their rights. Havn't you learned anything from the civil rights movement? Did you ever take a US history class? Every single person IN THE WORLD deserves the EXACT SAME rights you have. You can get married, anyone should be allowed to get married, anyone. You can adopt a child, anyone should be allowed to adopt a child. You are simply denying another person, OPENLY, equal rights. You are a biggot.

People feel free to express themselves openly in America, in certain parts, there are still those southern states that are filled with ignorant retards who believe Jesus showed up on a piece of toast. That's why more homosexuals don't feel the need to stay in the closet about it. Plus, they're being encouraged by people like me to come out, there's nothing wrong with it, they shouldn't have to hide anything.

Significant rise of homosexuality in the male prison population? - VERY EASY even you will grasp this one GC. There are not very many females in prisons, so male prisoners resort to raping or engaging in consentual sex with another male prisoner, because of the absense... Pretty easy to see where you're going with this, but there is a problem with your reasoning. You're of the opinion that it's "wrong" (whatever subjective meaning you have in your little mind for that is) to be homosexual, I'm not, not even if one were to choose to be homosexual. So if a couple male prisoners want to get their rocks off together in prison, why should I care at all? How does that affect me in any way? Why does it matter? Simply because you think it's gross? Is that really what it comes down to? Be honest. This says nothing about the VAST MAJORITY of homosexual people. They DO NOT choose their sexuality, just like you do not choose your sexuality. You are simply born the way you are and you like whatever sex you like. Would you be arguing this position if you were homosexual?

Everyone who IS GAY is born that way. People who say they are gay, who are not actually gay, are not born gay. See the difference. There are people who say they're gay who are not actually gay, nobody is denying that. What I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with a straight person engaging in consentual sex with another straight person if that's what both of those people want to do, but if that's what they want to do, how can you say they're straight?
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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It's not about the church service. gays aren't turning any more religious because of their wants of marriage.

It's about insurance and wills. It's about having the same legal rights as any other couple which wish to tie themselves together economically. That is what marriage is all about.

The church services today are merely the traditional trappings of a ritual,nothing more.
 
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fdd2blk

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CrackerJax said:
It's not about the church service. gays aren't turning any more religious because of their wants of marriage.

It's about insurance and wills. It's about having the same legal rights as any other couple which wish to tie themselves together economically. That is what marriage is all about.

The church services today are merely the traditional trappings of a ritual,nothing more.
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you can file insurance papers and wills WITHOUT being married.

it's about gays NOT WANTING to feel like gays. :roll:

period.
 
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fdd2blk

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if they want insurance then their beef is with THE INSURANCE COMPANY. :wall:

AND ANYONE CAN WRITE A WILL. WTF are you even talking about? A will? you can't leave somebody something if they are gay? you don't even know what you are going on about.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Civil unions are still "separate, but equal" if straights can do it. The idea that opening civil unions to straights solves the problem of civil unions be "separate, but unequal" fails a very simple test. While heterosexuals may have equal access to civil unions, do gays have equal access to marriage? No. Clearly, therefore, allowing straights to participate in civil unions while continuing to deny gays the right to marry does not nullify the argument that civil unions are akin to "separate but equal" and actually unequal.


Civil partners can only file taxes in registered state. Married couples can file both federal and state tax returns jointly. Civil Union couples can only file jointly in the state of civil registration. This is an additional way in which civil unions create unequal rights and second class status.
 
doobnVA

doobnVA

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fdd2blk said:
if they want insurance then their beef is with THE INSURANCE COMPANY. :wall:

AND ANYONE CAN WRITE A WILL. WTF are you even talking about? A will? you can't leave somebody something if they are gay? you don't even know what you are going on about.
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When you're married, you don't necessarily need a will in order to pass your earthly fortunes (or whatever) on to your spouse. It's implied, if you don't have children, that your spouse is the beneficiary.

some people die before they get around to writing a will. In the case of same-sex couples who can't marry - their significant other has no rights to the personal property or estate of the deceased without a will.

Same thing with the deathbed visitation. Unless you've planned for something catastrophic and prepared written instructions as to who can visit - the significant other is once again left in the dark. when you're on your deathbed, you aren't always able to whip up a legal document (in some cases, you aren't even able to breathe without the aid of machines), so saying "they can always sign a piece of paper" is a glaring oversight. They cannot always sign a piece of paper.
 
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