Is ISIS the true manifestation of Islam?

Let me say upfront that I know most Muslims are not crazed like the ISIS gang is crazed. So, this thread is not meant as an indictment of Islam in general.

However, there are many thousands of ISIS style Muslims rampaging through the middle east, murdering innocent people, taking women as slaves, raping little girls, and just doing crazy shit. For every ISIS murderer there are bound to be many who believe and condone ISIS, so ISIS is not simply a tiny little cult amongst Muslims.

I know the progs will fall in here with "Christians are the worrisome ones..", "the Crusades...", "they don't want to let us abort babies...", etc. To them, I say go take a walk in Mosul and report back.

What say the rational people of RIU? If there are any Muslims amongst the RIU rabble, I would be particularly interested in their view point?

I think any comparison can be maid between the radical branches of the faiths. Radical Christians are comparable to the so called moderate Muslims. Moderate Muslims don't flinch at the apostasy means death rules. That is something even the most fervent Christian doesn't support.

desert dude said:

Let me say upfront that I know most Muslims are not crazed like the ISIS gang is crazed. So, this thread is not meant as an indictment of Islam in general.

However, there are many thousands of ISIS style Muslims rampaging through the middle east, murdering innocent people, taking women as slaves, raping little girls, and just doing crazy shit. For every ISIS murderer there are bound to be many who believe and condone ISIS, so ISIS is not simply a tiny little cult amongst Muslims.

I know the progs will fall in here with "Christians are the worrisome ones..", "the Crusades...", "they don't want to let us abort babies...", etc. To them, I say go take a walk in Mosul and report back.

What say the rational people of RIU? If there are any Muslims amongst the RIU rabble, I would be particularly interested in their view point?

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Religions are what people want them to be.

You have everything from the Amish who are peaceful and seem just want to be left alone to the people that blow up abortion clinics. It isnt the religion.

Is ISIS the true manifestation of Islam?

desert dude said:

this thread is not meant as an indictment of Islam in general.

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yes it is.

you might as well be asking if the KKK is the true manifestation of christianity.

i'm not sure why you, as someone who doesn't smoke or grow, decided to spam us with your racial hatred for years on end, but it's getting old.

desert dude said:

Let me say upfront that I know most Muslims are not crazed like the ISIS gang is crazed. So, this thread is not meant as an indictment of Islam in general.

However, there are many thousands of ISIS style Muslims rampaging through the middle east, murdering innocent people, taking women as slaves, raping little girls, and just doing crazy shit. For every ISIS murderer there are bound to be many who believe and condone ISIS, so ISIS is not simply a tiny little cult amongst Muslims.

I know the progs will fall in here with "Christians are the worrisome ones..", "the Crusades...", "they don't want to let us abort babies...", etc. To them, I say go take a walk in Mosul and report back.

What say the rational people of RIU? If there are any Muslims amongst the RIU rabble, I would be particularly interested in their view point?

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we had one a few weeks ago..

he said he disagreed with the muslim stuff..so we tried to get him to renounce Allah.

he wouldn't..not even in his mind, online anonymously.

they just can't do it.

doesn't that tell you anything?

schuylaar said:

we had one a few weeks ago..

he said he disagreed with the muslim stuff..so we tried to get him to renounce Allah.

he wouldn't..not even in his mind, online anonymously.

they just can't do it.

doesn't that tell you anything?

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All it tells me is that he is a devout Muslim, similar to a devout Christian; it doesn't mean he wants to kill the infidel. Unfortunately, for us and for peaceful Muslims, many of Allah's followers are not peaceful.

I am an atheist but I tolerate believers, and have no problem with them unless they are trying to do me harm.

schuylaar said:

we had one a few weeks ago..

he said he disagreed with the muslim stuff..so we tried to get him to renounce Allah.

he wouldn't..not even in his mind, online anonymously.

they just can't do it.

doesn't that tell you anything?

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you're completely misremembering things, schuy.

should i dig up the quote? it'll contradict your account completely.

desert dude said:

All it tells me is that he is a devout Muslim, similar to a devout Christian; it doesn't mean he wants to kill the infidel. Unfortunately, for us and for peaceful Muslims, many of Allah's followers are not peaceful.

I am an atheist but I tolerate believers, and have no problem with them unless they are trying to do me harm.

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you are clearly not atheist, you are as christian as they come. everything from your touting off pat roberts silly little "college" to calling anything under the sun "religious freedom" as long as it denies rights to women or lets EMTs watch gays die.

you are fooling no one.

desert dude said:

All it tells me is that he is a devout Muslim, similar to a devout Christian; it doesn't mean he wants to kill the infidel. Unfortunately, for us and for peaceful Muslims, many of Allah's followers are not peaceful.

I am an atheist but I tolerate believers, and have no problem with them unless they are trying to do me harm.

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the whole point was that he said he didn't believe or whatever, yet he wouldn't renounce.

now THAT'S indoctrination.

UncleBuck said:

you're completely misremembering things, schuy.

should i dig up the quote? it'll contradict your account completely.

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post it.

schuylaar said:

the whole point was that he said he didn't believe or whatever, yet he wouldn't renounce.

now THAT'S indoctrination.

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for fuck sake, schuylaar.

Zaycor said:

Cheers Buck, glad to know one person actually read my post. Just to reiterate...Muslims can & should co-exist with other's...are you reading this Doer? nowhere in the teachings of Islam does it encourage world domination, read those verses about how there is 'no compulsion in religion' (2:256), in other words religion should not be shoved down people's throats! Extemists like so called 'ISIS' are scumbags...their hearts & minds are closed, consumed with arrogance & rage. They are dogs of war who have no place amongst humanity...most Muslims despise them because not only do they kill other Muslims & bring misery to communities but they do so in Gods name...what a laugh! Islam is not about violence &/or domination, its about peace & doing right by God & your fellow man.

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schuylaar said:

post it.

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with gusto!

Zaycor said:

actually most people including some Muslims are wrong when they they think Jihad means holy war...it actually means to struggle or strive for the sake of God. The notion that Islam must conquer the world by the sword just isn't found in the texts, but its a notion that served its purpose many times in the past by the Crusaders for example as well as today's Muslim extremists. Therefore yes there is a place for all different peoples on earth & no-one has the right to force or coerce others into following a particular religion including Islam. Take it easy buddy

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nowhere in there did you ask him to "renounce allah", schuylaar.

doer and you pestered the guy to "swear before Allah other religions have an equal place beside Islam", and he did.

the last thing this forum needs is more of this desert dude type racial hatred.

i thought you were better than that.

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Oops.

BigNBushy said:

I think any comparison can be maid between the radical branches of the faiths. Radical Christians are comparable to the so called moderate Muslims. Moderate Muslims don't flinch at the apostasy means death rules. That is something even the most fervent Christian doesn't support.

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Your quoting historical events while the OP is talking current events , there isnt any modern day comparison to the death , destruction ,intimmidation , rape kidnapping & genocide that ISIS is commiting vs the actions of any modern group of Christians .

I only see a few vandalism on there, which why was it included anyway?

Tree spiking? lol

spandy said:

I only see a few vandalism on there, which why was it included anyway?

Tree spiking? lol

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there's a shit ton of "vandalism" on there, along with "destruction of property", or even "attempted arson" which hurt or killed not a single person.

if we're going to include spraypainting fur coats as an act of terror, then i say we get to include every racist post from you guys on this forum as an act of terror!

UncleBuck said:

for fuck sake, schuylaar.

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oh. yeah. it was one of those threads.

panhead said:

Your quoting historical events while the OP is talking current events , there isnt any modern day comparison to the death , destruction ,intimmidation , rape kidnapping & genocide that ISIS is commiting vs the actions of any modern group of Christians .

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I don't disagree. I meant to say don't think there can be a comparison.

Moderate Muslims are more extreme than extremist Christians.

You'd have to get to the 0.? Percentage of Christianity to find the moderate muslim parallel.

desert dude said:

What say the rational people of RIU? If there are any Muslims amongst the RIU rabble, I would be particularly interested in their view point?

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Its no secret at RIU that im married to a Lebanese woman & have been most of my life , while i am not Muslim my wife is , her family & friends have put her through hell for decades over marrying a Nasrani , even though her families dirty little secret is that they were once a Christian family before converting to Islam to avoid persecution by radicals , my deceased father in law used to call me an Infidel even though im a Christian & am not without a god , he was barely literate & I remember her explaining to him why i wasn't an Infidel ,he hated her being college educated & her mother would allways try & make her feel bad for not acting submissive twords her father & brothers .

My wife thinks much of the violence stems & is fueled by illiteracy rates within the religion itself , leaving many to rely on clerics with agendas for literal interpretation of the Quran , For me it makes sense when i imagine trying to lead my life according to the old testament while not being able to read most of it .

I dont think you'll find a single person who can justify the actions of ISIS or the existence of the group itself .