Is Jack's Nutients organic?

louise2308 · Nov 24, 2012

Hello to all.....I am fast approaching harvest time, just passed 8 wks ystdy so my question is I have been using Jack's or Peters (aka) and wondering if this product is organic....it says water soluable but nothing about organic, I am now switching over to plain ph water for the remaining time....1-2 wks Anyone out there knowledgable about these fetilizers? Thanks for any help offered...first grow and took a sample ystdy. Got a loupe but it's only 20X so may return/exchange for a higher power this wknd. Trichs look cloudy or milky to me....no amber in sight!? Smells divine....btw! lol

T.H.Cammo · Nov 24, 2012

No,it's not. But it is a complete nutrient - as opposed to MirecalGro.

Wetdog · Nov 24, 2012

Not organic, but I've used it for ~40 years and it's good stuff.Wet

potpimp · Nov 24, 2012

FYI, plants do not uptake organic compounds.

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO · Nov 25, 2012

potpimp said:
FYI, plants do not uptake organic compounds.

Ummm.....have you forgotten basic organic chemistry and photosynthesis. To be considered an organic molecule all you need is a carbon atom....plants do "uptake" and use organic molecules my friend.

ru4r34l · Nov 25, 2012

potpimp said:
FYI, plants do not uptake organic compounds.

LOL

regards,

potpimp · Nov 25, 2012

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO said:
Ummm.....have you forgotten basic organic chemistry and photosynthesis. To be considered an organic molecule all you need is a carbon atom....plants do "uptake" and use organic molecules my friend.

OK, where is your evidence?

chuck estevez · Nov 25, 2012

and here I thought all it needed to be organic was an omri listing

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO · Nov 25, 2012

potpimp said:
OK, where is your evidence?

Ok.......WOW lol pick up any ELEMENTARY chemistry book and proceed to the organic chemistry chapter......than I want you to read read read read, prolly something you haven't done in a while but just read and it explains everything bud. As far as evidence goes Louis Pasteur or any other famous chemist could argue this better than I can.....again basic chemistry my friend, that's all the evidence I should have to furnish.

T.H.Cammo · Nov 25, 2012

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO said:
Ummm.....have you forgotten basic organic chemistry and photosynthesis. To be considered an organic molecule all you need is a carbon atom....plants do "uptake" and use organic molecules my friend.

If this were a forum on chemistry, you would be absolutely correct. But alas, it's not! To an organic "Farmer" the word "organic" has a whole other meaning. Go to the Organic forum and educate yourself about what it means to grow "Organic". You might find a whole new deffinition for the term "Organic".

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO · Nov 25, 2012

T.H.Cammo said:
If this were a forum on chemistry, you would be absolutely correct. But alas, it's not! To an organic "Farmer" the word "organic" has a whole other meaning. Go to the Organic forum and educate yourself about what it means to grow "Organic". You might find a whole new deffinition for the term "Organic".

Maybe you should practice what you preach and reread what the guy posted. "Plants don't uptake organic compounds" well they do, he didn't say plants don't uptake organic nutrients.

ru4r34l · Nov 25, 2012

why is this even being argued over, probably a simple mistake that was caught (I hope)

regards,

potpimp · Nov 25, 2012

I obviously remember a lot more of my college chemistry than you remember from your English classes. Maybe I used too broad of a sentence. As an example, lots of people use molasses, thinking that the plant uptakes it and makes the taste sweeter. Molasses is obviously an organic compound (C[SUB]6[/SUB]H[SUB]12[/SUB]NNaO[SUB]3[/SUB]S) and cannabis will NOT uptake this. Cannabis plants feed on rudimentary elements such as N, P, K, Fe, Mg, Ca, S, B, Cl, Cu, Zn, Mo, and Ni. The plant absorbs Carbon, as well as O and H, in the air and water. What is good about organic ferts is that it breaks down quickly and is easily utilized by the plant, rather than using chemicals that require a chelating agent.

T.H.Cammo · Nov 25, 2012

I have no desire to argue about chemistry semantics. The point is that cannabis plants have great difficulty uptaking many organic compounds, as provided directly by organic fertilizers.

Your narrow chemistry definition of organic (while correct) is irrelevant, as it doesn't apply to the real world application of organic nutrients. The OP's opening question was about "Nutrients" not "Compounds". Without going into a long, drawn out, explaination; true organic fertilizers generaly need to be processed by Mycorrhizae fungus in order for thier nutrients (compounds?) to be transformed into a usable form. Are you saying that Mycorrhizae fungus is a waste of time?

I'm more of an organic grower than an organic chemist so the "Carbon Compound" definition of organic is purely academic to me. I live in the world of organic fertilizer - and without help (from the "Micro-herd"), it doesn't work so well! Am I wrong?

cannabineer · Nov 25, 2012

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO said:
Ok.......WOW lol pick up any ELEMENTARY chemistry book and proceed to the organic chemistry chapter......than I want you to read read read read, prolly something you haven't done in a while but just read and it explains everything bud. As far as evidence goes Louis Pasteur or any other famous chemist could argue this better than I can.....again basic chemistry my friend, that's all the evidence I should have to furnish.

There is an inorganic chemistry of carbon. Carbon dioxide is considered inorganic, as is the brace of ions roots recognize as nutrient. Urea is the principal N source in feeds like this, and while it is considered an "organic chemical" by the standards of the science, it is not "organic" in the gardener's idiom. It's made from ammonia (sourced via the Haber process) condensed with industrial CO2, most of which is a byproduct of calcination of lime and Portland cement.

Roots can take up some (chemist's definition) organics, but this is neither a usual nor an efficient process. cn

potpimp · Nov 25, 2012

T.H.Cammo said:
The point is that cannabis plants have great difficulty uptaking many organic compounds, as provided directly by organic fertilizers.

My point exactly.

T.H.Cammo said:
Your narrow chemistry definition of organic (while correct) is irrelevant, as it doesn't apply to the real world application of organic nutrients.

And tell me how "facts" somehow do not apply.

T.H.Cammo said:
The OP's opening question was about "Nutrients" not "Compounds". Without going into a long, drawn out, explaination; true organic fertilizers generaly need to be processed by Mycorrhizae fungus in order for thier nutrients (compounds?) to be transformed into a usable form. Are you saying that Mycorrhizae fungus is a waste of time?

Not at all; I didn't want to waste your time by going into how it is done, only that it is broken down: "What is good about organic ferts is that it breaks down quickly and is easily utilized by the plant".[/QUOTE]

T.H.Cammo said:
I'm more of an organic grower than an organic chemist so the "Carbon Compound" definition of organic is purely academic me. I live in the world of organic fertilizer - and without help (from the "Micro-herd"), it doesn't work so well! Am I wrong?

The whole point is that it does work. My original point was only to mention that plants do not uptake purely organic compounds such as molasses, grape juice, etc.

HeartlandHank · Nov 25, 2012

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Krondizzel · Nov 26, 2012

4TWO - you don't have to be rude about it. Post your references if your correct.

potpimp - remind me not to argue with you on science stuff. ooowee. you'd have me so busy with google it'd make me cry haha

Krondizzel · Nov 26, 2012

t.h.cammo said:
i have no desire to argue about chemistry semantics. The point is that cannabis plants have great difficulty uptaking many organic compounds, as provided directly by organic fertilizers.

Your narrow chemistry definition of organic (while correct) is irrelevant, as it doesn't apply to the real world application of organic nutrients. The op's opening question was about "nutrients" not "compounds". Without going into a long, drawn out, explaination; true organic fertilizers generaly need to be processed by mycorrhizae fungus in order for thier nutrients (compounds?) to be transformed into a usable form. are you saying that mycorrhizae fungus is a waste of time?

I'm more of an organic grower than an organic chemist so the "carbon compound" definition of organic is purely academic to me. I live in the world of organic fertilizer - and without help (from the "micro-herd"), it doesn't work so well! am i wrong?

he shoots, he scores!!!

chuck estevez · Nov 26, 2012

well, I'm no scientist, But water is not organic, so as soon as you use water, the whole thing goes out the window, right?

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