It changed the way i see things.....
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Dev
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FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom approximately 10 stories about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.
NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.
According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."
There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.
Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."
WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors along with the building's unusual construction were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
jollygreengiant8
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sketchiness being that nobody would answer any fucking questions once it happened..
sketchiness how tower 7 fell without anything hitting it????
sketchiness how the plane that went down in the field left almost no debris
sketchiness how someone would fly a plane into the fucking PENTAGON
this shit comes nowhere near to adding up
and yes i understand i can run for office...but do YOU realize that in order to get elected to things most cut deals and lie about their intentions to gain more votes.....i only call it like i see it, prove me wrong
jsn9333
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Whether you meant to or not, you implied that anyone who thinks the movie is bullshit must also believe that the government doesn't ever lie. I didn't put words into your mouth at all. I said it "sounds like" you were saying people who didn't buy everything this bullshit movie says are naive.
If you didn't mean that, then thanks for clarifying.
As far as Bush in particular... at least we can agree on that.
If you didn't mean that, then thanks for clarifying.
As far as Bush in particular... at least we can agree on that.
i have called no one naive nor religion evil so dont put words in my mouth.
i was only saying the movie opens your eyes to what the government is capable of doing. the gov. does what is in their best interests not ours!!
i think its easy for them to get away with a lot of shit because they have the means to cover it up and control it...so there is no way for us to ever know what the fuck they are actually up to.
i am no conspiracy theorist, i only allow myself to examine what is being put in front of me, and Bush has shown himself as a power hungry greedy fuck who is not to be trusted.
Dev
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sketchiness being that nobody would answer any fucking questions once it happened..
sketchiness how tower 7 fell without anything hitting it????
sketchiness how the plane that went down in the field left almost no debris
sketchiness how someone would fly a plane into the fucking PENTAGON
this shit comes nowhere near to adding up
and yes i understand i can run for office...but do YOU realize that in order to get elected to things most cut deals and lie about their intentions to gain more votes.....i only call it like i see it, prove me wrong
- Having no answers after it happened? It would be sketchy if they had answers straight after it happened. Think about that.
- Tower 7 see my above post.
- Almost no debris at U93 crash site! There was a crater 10 feet deep and almost 50 feet wide. The fucking thing went in to the ground and burned. Debris was found around and unearthed around the area. I don't know exactly what you mean, please elaborate on this point.
- The Pentagon is pretty big and plausible for a skilled pilot to fly a plane into it.
As for as the "prove me wrong" comment. The onus is not on us to prove you wrong but you to prove your theory right. In the words of Hitchen's "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
PuGGz
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dude have you actually watched this movie? the facts are right there infront of you about 9/11 and if your too ignorant to know why the government attacked its own country then i think you should stay living under that rock of yours
PuGGz
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Everything in this movie is true and based on fact (not bias opinions)
In the sense of calling people naive this is only what the government wants us to be and im pretty sure that the PEOPLE who made this movie(not just one delusional dumbfuck) dont believe we are naive otherwise why would we be interested in such a movie.
i posted this thread to hopefully help people understand that what we live in isnt near our control and there are many things that happen behind our backs. Now if you want to be a raging class act that obviously doesnt want to know what will happen with our lives and our children's lives then please keep your bias opinions to yourself and go back to your hole...
PuGGz
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they blew up the 3rd building because the needed to have a certain amount of damage done and a quota of lives lost before they could pass the anti-terrorism laws, which in turn has now stripped the rights of any american who they suspect of terrorism. lets hope they dont want to look at you aye
PuGGz
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Listen up dumbshit,
1. This is not a conspiracy theory movie, IT ONLY STATES FACT
2. America needed to attack themselves so they could get more money and power and what happened....
3. George Bush is a front man for a lot of people we will never hear of or see.
4. History books will show you exactly the same thing as this movie, the many bad things the American government has done over the past 100 years
5. This is not about being a sceptic or proving people wrong, its about a higher knowledge compared to what the GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED MEDIA wants you to know.
PuGGz
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Ok so you want to know sketchy things about 9/11 hey
1. 6 of the 19 bombers are still alive and have never been charged with terrorism, 5 of the alleged bombers had died previously to the bombing.
2. If the fire was the cause of the towers falling why didnt it take at least 5 minutes to fall which was supposed to happen because it was built to take a plane crash and let people get out, instead the tower dropped in 10 seconds just like demolition.
3. Why were thermite splices found on the base of all tower structures cut exactly the same way they do in demolition
4. Why were people injured from an explosion that happened in the BASEMENT of the towers jsut before the tower collapsed.
and too be honest i could go on for hours with these FACTS, not theories, not bias opinions, not some wacked out trippa making shit up, ACTUAL FACTS but thats why i posted the movie so i wouldnt have to type it all up for simple people like yourself, so please do yourself a favour and watch the movie, hey if you don't believe in it then it shouldn't make a difference to your beliefs but if you think that your that much greater than anyone else for saying its all bullshit without even watching it then you are only lying to yourself and dont want to deal with the reality of LIFE.
PuGGz
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i know i will my friend i will give my life to ensure that the rest of my family wont have to live with the tirrany of a one world government where every single person on the planet is chipped and monitored on a 24/7 basis
PuGGz
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that is exactly what they want you to believe, now im not sure if you know about this or not but there was an ACTUAL team set up for the 9/11 attack and it was the real facts of what happened that fateful day. They found 101 facts and reason to prove they WTC7 was demolished by a team of expert demolition men. Again thermite splices on the structural base of WTC7, NO previous damage WHAT SO EVER FROM THE FIRST ATTACKS. i mean think about it how does all the rubble and fire cross from one side of the TC area all the way to the other side WITHOUT HITTING ANYTHING ON THE WAY, not one of the other WTC bulding were damaged from the plane hitting them, yes they had some damage from the falling debris when they tower fell, but nothing to instigate a fire or anything that would of ruined the structural integrity to of made it fall the way it did (just like a demo building in on itself). The funny thing about the 9/11 report was it was never viewed, it was never taking into account, WHY U ASK??? Because americas best scientists and demolition people and many others had proven that the WTC's did not fall from the planes, they were demolished. Im sorry if that upsets you but thats the truth, and when your an old person and when the government admits to what they have done(just like many past situations of such debarkles) you will feel like an absolute weenie because your whole life you have spent defending the same people who are stripping away your rights as a human being. good luck with that
jollygreengiant8
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exactlyBAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that is exactly what they want you to believe, now im not sure if you know about this or not but there was an ACTUAL team set up for the 9/11 attack and it was the real facts of what happened that fateful day. They found 101 facts and reason to prove they WTC7 was demolished by a team of expert demolition men. Again thermite splices on the structural base of WTC7, NO previous damage WHAT SO EVER FROM THE FIRST ATTACKS. i mean think about it how does all the rubble and fire cross from one side of the TC area all the way to the other side WITHOUT HITTING ANYTHING ON THE WAY, not one of the other WTC bulding were damaged from the plane hitting them, yes they had some damage from the falling debris when they tower fell, but nothing to instigate a fire or anything that would of ruined the structural integrity to of made it fall the way it did (just like a demo building in on itself). The funny thing about the 9/11 report was it was never viewed, it was never taking into account, WHY U ASK??? Because americas best scientists and demolition people and many others had proven that the WTC's did not fall from the planes, they were demolished. Im sorry if that upsets you but thats the truth, and when your an old person and when the government admits to what they have done(just like many past situations of such debarkles) you will feel like an absolute weenie because your whole life you have spent defending the same people who are stripping away your rights as a human being. good luck with that
1. What questions, are you talking about on the ground as the towers were falling? Of course no one would, they had no idea WTF was going on or this was just the opening salvo of a bigger attacksketchiness being that nobody would answer any fucking questions once it happened..
sketchiness how tower 7 fell without anything hitting it????
sketchiness how the plane that went down in the field left almost no debris
sketchiness how someone would fly a plane into the fucking PENTAGON
this shit comes nowhere near to adding up
and yes i understand i can run for office...but do YOU realize that in order to get elected to things most cut deals and lie about their intentions to gain more votes.....i only call it like i see it, prove me wrong
2. http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4213805.html
3. Drive your car up around 200 miles an hour and slam it into an immovable object (like the ground), now see what you are left with. Elementary physics.
4. What makes you think the pentagon was defended by surface to air batteries? This was not a conventional attack, the only attack the pentagon was meant to stand against would be the soviet kind, and we have many, many fighter aircraft for just that. Also even the latest and greatest man pad missile is not going to be real effective shooting at a 747 hauling bawls across your line of sight, not to mention the fact that AA missiles are not designed to destroy a plane, just to make it a flying brick.
In terms of running for office I can say that I have helped a local guy get elected here in my are to the US House and I would bet my house that he didn't have any meetings with the secret Zionist cabal.
jollygreengiant8
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1. Im talking once investigations began and press was asking questions Bush would only ignore those questions with a 'no comment' or something just as lame.
2. thermite splices? how where they found if this fire was eating through metal? because it wasnt thats why
3. have you ever seen a car crash?? there are pieces fucking everywhere.
When the shuttle Columbia exploded in the atmosphere they found pieces of the shuttle scattered everywhere.
4.The Pentagon has more security than you could ever imagine and to think that a fucking big ass plane was headed right towards them and them somehow not know or react...thats just dumb.
I am not saying all politicians are fake and liars, but 90% are.
Watch your rep. because he might pull a fast one on you, its been done before.
and please respond to the sketchiness Puggz brought up.
jollygreengiant8
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thanks to whoever for the anonymous negative rep 
im happy i could get under your skin with simple words
bend over so they can fuck you behind your back some more
im happy i could get under your skin with simple words
bend over so they can fuck you behind your back some more
el shaggy
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Think for yourself and always question authority.
Don't believe all of what the gov't feeds us and remain skeptical of media intentions. But also don't nose dive into conspiracy theories. Always think for yourself and choose the simplest most credible solution.
My two cents on 9/11 is, we had the intelligence, it was improperly handled. It likely wasn't an inside job. But I don't think the gov't really tried or wanted to stop it from happening. This topic has been beat to death all decade, though the History Channel was advertising a show that looked like it was all about home footage shot by New yorkers that looks fascinating. The real truth won't come out for a long time.
Don't believe all of what the gov't feeds us and remain skeptical of media intentions. But also don't nose dive into conspiracy theories. Always think for yourself and choose the simplest most credible solution.
My two cents on 9/11 is, we had the intelligence, it was improperly handled. It likely wasn't an inside job. But I don't think the gov't really tried or wanted to stop it from happening. This topic has been beat to death all decade, though the History Channel was advertising a show that looked like it was all about home footage shot by New yorkers that looks fascinating. The real truth won't come out for a long time.
jollygreengiant8
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Matthew are you done here? we dont get anymore answers from the oh-so-wise?
your explanations are weak, you should like Bush.
your explanations are weak, you should like Bush.