Jack's Old Time Haze

Jack is in the back right corner (you can see it sticking up above the bin several inches, I had it tied down last night). It's a daily effort to keep it tied down. I'm trying to keep it at around the same canopy height as the rest of my grow. I never got a chance to take good pics but here's a crappy one. The fan leaves on jack are bigger than my hand by a couple inches. Never seen such a long skinny leaf set. Neato!

I have a bunch of pics to take tonight so I'll try to get some of the grow.

In this pic the front bin has a headband-707, 2 blue dreams and 7 SnS diesels. This is going to be a scrog. I'll buy some 1" wire mesh this weekend for it. The set on the back left are my 2 SnS diesels. They're about a week from choppity chop time. Looking like they'll net 2 ounces apiece dried but could be a tad less or more. I got my bubble bags so I'll be making some pressed hash soon too. Just behind the set of CFL's that make a V in the middle is my big SnS diesel. I decided to flower my mother and just get more clones later. Looks like there's 2 branches I need to tend to tonight.

The daily attention to tying down will really start to fuck with you. The screen will be key, eventually you should really start to consider the Haze as your only flowering plant...you could get some seriously AMAZING smoke from it and make things A LOT easier for yourself...Just my 2 cents.

I only say this because I had one totally out of control grow a wee bit back and it was a bitch to manage EVERY DAMN DAY as far as taking my gi-fucking-gantic plants out of my box to get to other ones for either watering or tying. It was just fucking too much man. That grow made me change my entire MO...I will never fuck with something like that again. I think I am just traumatized from that one, but my change has worked out for the best I think. Trials are still underway.

Either way the colas you are about to chop look nice from here. Enjoy your efforts!

better pics:

side view of SnS Diesels.


2 week flowering in back, 1 week in front.





Top view of SnS Diesels

More pics.

Foliar growth is impressive. It's been a serious effort to keep the branches at the same height as my primary canopy. I can't get over the size of the base of the stem though.


Here's the base of the stem. It's blown apart the rockwool. You can't see very well but one corner is completely shredded and the remaining 3 corners are fully split off the main block.


The haze is getting a PK spike this week (6ml/gal). Then after I harvest the SnS Diesel on the left side of the bin (a month away) I'll wait a couple weeks and then hit the Haze with another PK spike in week 11 and then in week 15 I'll hit it with a 50% strength PK hit. It's getting Sweet Raw (10ml/gal) and the usual Botanicare nutes every 3 days. Later today and then every other week I'll be sticking a 1lb block of dry ice per day in the room too. I'm determined to get more production out of this run and with the haze I'd like to have a few ounces laying around since I won't be growing it again for a while. I'm considering taking a clone of it now.

Ruiner: seahaven, that may be in the same "area" as me. Are you in the "area"? I'm about a hour east if you're where I think you are. If you are I'd consider making a couple clones of mine and letting you cruise over and pick them up and take a bong rip.

Dude...That haze is out of control! On a side note...We just harvested some more late crop purple haze (Original Haze X ?? - he doesnt remember what pollinated it from a year ago) from a 13 footer...I stuck some in my vaporizer and MAN I was fucking SPINNING for an hour, the taste and smell is like an insanely delicious anise-flavored pink lady apple. If you let it go long enough, and expose it to some cold, you could get the purpling effect (if that matters to you). It looks really cool, but it doesnt really make a damn bit of difference as far as potency.

I would take you up on the bong rip for sure...but I am in W. Los Angeles, "Seahaven" was taken from a movie as a kind of personal joke to myself. I have plenty of access to amazing Haze genetics, like that which just produced the purple candy I get to enjoy on a daily basis soon here.

All in all, things look good man! I can wait to see the beast in the later weeks...

By the way, trimming Haze is a PAIN IN THE ASS. Dont be afraid to cut the "fluff" away... you will be better off for it later.

I stabbed a 10lb block of dry ice in the room yesterday as an experiment. To date all my fan leaves have been fairly perky, at least perpendicular to the axis of the stalk but after about 6 hours with the dry ice in the room and all the fan leaves on all my plants flat reached for the sky like it was a bank robbery. So that tells me 2 things, 1: I need CO2 in the room bad. 2: My harvests are definitely going to be limited by lack of CO2 if I don't fix that.

So, I'm picking up a new CO2 system and we'll see what happens. I can't continue to use dry ice from Safeway as it's 1.50 a pound and a pound doesn't go very far. I'd like to find a cheap source of 30-50lbs blocks. I have a DIY nitrous oxide kit that I'm converting to a CO2 kit but that's just ghetto so I'll get a proper kit and use bottles.

Next time I'm headed down south I'll ping you and maybe we can do some strain swappin'.

Damn! well, CO2 is cool...I am glad it works for you. I personally dont run it...although it would be friggin' sweet to do so. I could only imagine the haze buds with CO2...dreamy...I wonder if von's (safeway in the south) carries the dry ice here...maybe I could try a block and see what happens... Glad to hear that you are always improving your set up...as the saying goes: "weeds not addictive, growing it is!"

Did you chop the diesels yet?

yep, 2 big SnS diesels are chopped. Man that's some seriously strong stoney head killin' weed too. Most of it is still curing but I pulled a little to enjoy in the meantime. Netted 2 ounces per plant + 6g of pressed hash total. 4g from one and 2g from the other.

I went out yesterday and got and installed a proper CO2 kit and 20lbs bottle. It's flowing at 2CuFt/hr for 15mins 4 times a day. I can already see a difference in the plants. All the leaves reached for the sky overnight (treated them to a nice dose 2hrs before the lights went out). The total buy-in for the kit including a filled bottle was about 380 bucks, which seems expensive till you figure it and the more intense nutes will probably double my production capacity. Filling the bottle is only 32 bucks each time and I'm figuring a bottle will last about a month.

Vons carries dry ice. Every major grocery store does I think... Just ask for a 10lbs block when you get to the register. The fridge for it is usually locked so you just ask the checker. Man I miss Vons. And Stater Bros, haven't been to a SB or a Vons in years. I grew up down there... south of Perris a bit. A note, it's a buck-fiddy a pound for frozen CO2 and it's impossible to really meter the flow. I stick the blocks in a ice chest that doesn't seal really well and sorta let it go from there for a few days. Usually lasts 2-3 days. The bottle system allows you to put in very specific amounts at specific times. I can't say the bottle is any better though, just more precise.

Don't let the dry ice touch your dirt. It'll freeze it solid. In fact, keep it at least 4-6 inches from the plants and 1 inch off the soil.

CO2 system update. It's now blowing 3 cubic feet per day into the room spread out over the whole day in 15 minute bursts. It sprays just before the lights come on, 2 midday runs and 1 afternoon run. With the PK spike + Sweet + CO2 I'm hoping for a 20-40% production gain. I need to work on getting a CO2 sniffer now. I should get 2 months on a 20lbs bottle. I may up the flow rate though after I get the sniffer. 5x5 room though, 2 months is about right. 1 bottle per grow cycle.

That brings the total cost of each grow cycle to about 150 bucks. Pulling a QP from 150 bucks is pretty ok but since Jack takes so long I'm kinda hoping I might pull that much from just jack. What's your experience there with haze? Does the long cycle time also allow it to make nice big mass (bigger than an 8 week indica anyway)?

Reason for changing the flow rate was, yesterday I came home and found the thing not blowing when it was supposed to be. So I had to hard reset the timer and when I did that I figured I might as well make the cylinder last exactly 1 grow so I could time the refill better.

r3dn3ck said:

CO2 system update. It's now blowing 3 cubic feet per day into the room spread out over the whole day in 15 minute bursts. It sprays just before the lights come on, 2 midday runs and 1 afternoon run. With the PK spike + Sweet + CO2 I'm hoping for a 20-40% production gain. I need to work on getting a CO2 sniffer now. I should get 2 months on a 20lbs bottle. I may up the flow rate though after I get the sniffer. 5x5 room though, 2 months is about right. 1 bottle per grow cycle.

That brings the total cost of each grow cycle to about 150 bucks. Pulling a QP from 150 bucks is pretty ok but since Jack takes so long I'm kinda hoping I might pull that much from just jack. What's your experience there with haze? Does the long cycle time also allow it to make nice big mass (bigger than an 8 week indica anyway)?

Reason for changing the flow rate was, yesterday I came home and found the thing not blowing when it was supposed to be. So I had to hard reset the timer and when I did that I figured I might as well make the cylinder last exactly 1 grow so I could time the refill better.

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Nice work on the CO2...sounds like it was a good call. I think my lady would kill me right now if I splurged that kinda cash right now though...I gotta make this next pull fucking SHINE if I want to do that...it is looking NICE right now though...I am probably 7-12 days out from chop and I pulled down my tester XJ13 (which looks amazing, and has a most pleasant aroma), I put my tester white widow in the dark (two weeks...? we will see), its ready, and I culled two Headbands (original diesel, Giesel, etc) that are getting chopped tonight...I will at least take some phone pics and put something up...

As far as the Haze yield...you may get more from it than a standard 8week indica strain, but I hate to say not very much more. I think at a certain point (especially outdoor growers of haze) hash-making becomes a viable option to make the most out of the entire plant due to the very high leaf/calyx ratio. For me personally, when my friend was saying that I could get rid of the haze I earned for my services, I just laughed and said "What? are you crazy? Wait another year for my Haze? Purple fucking haze? Hell no, I aint a dummy, I'm keeping that shit!"

It's just very special smoke IMO, I hope that doesnt deter your experiment.

not at all. I'm an old pure sativa fan. The indicas are great for my medical needs but the really classical sativas are the super fun time. It'd be nice if it'd make more bud but I will probably make hash out of the whole thing anyway since it'll keep longer and I won't want to use my happy-fun-ball bud for my daily medicating.

Here's some pics of the primary canopy height. Jack averages 2" higher. The super short ones in the middle are blue dream.

Came home last night to find my tall girls 4" from the light. They'd stretched 2 more in 18hrs. I should almost be able to watch them grow at this rate. Jack is 4" taller than she was. I had to re-tie it down again. CO2 FTMFW!

I went to the club yesterday and talked to one of the guys, he's telling me to expect it to keep stretching until mid-February and then it'll fill out. It's already got the biggest stem I've ever seen on one. I finally found the first pistils coming off it last night. Each tip has a pair of pistils shooting out.

Mid-feb at least...how long has it been already? Damn...either way this is why this is the first thread I subbed to. CO2 might make your job harder at this point...Everything looks really damn healthy...great job.

I put it in to flower about the first of December. Guy told me to expect 3 full months of stretch.

Pics from this morning. Flower formation is continuing. Seeing more and more pistils pop out. It's like watching a hybrid flower in slow motion except it keeps getting taller.



Pics of the others just for giggles:
3 strains growing big single cola's. An experiment.

12 weeks of stretch...good god almighty.

things are looking really good in there...what 3 strains did you use for the single cola?

the one in the left front of the bin is a 707-Headband (like regular HB but without the MasterKush inclusion), the other 6 tall ones are Sweet-n-Sour Diesel. The runts are Blue Dream. I lollipopped em all and pulled off the beginnings of popcorn bud formations on all of them except the blue dream. On the HB & Diesels I'm letting the top 3 budding sites on each branch go to full fruit. There's around 4-6 primary branches per plant on the Diesels all treated to the popcorn delete. The HB has a more LST'd top so a lot of sub branching. For all the trimming I did, I left the relevant fan leaves in place wherever possible. No sense shutting down the power plant ey. The Blue Dream's on the other hand have about 12-16 branches each but the internode distance is so short I didn't want to lollipop it any further. I only cut the branches on the BD's that would never see much light so it wasn't a major change. The indica dominance is strong in my BD's.

On that note: It's really cool to be growing the strains I am. I have a short indica dominant hybrid, a bushy 50/50-ish hybrid, a tall lanky sativa dominant hybrid and a pure sativa. I'm trying to find a set of true pure indicas to start in veg. I decided I wanted a complete selection end to end. Thinking about Mazar. It's not pure but it's close.

I recently found a local breeder that has a Hindu kush male that he crosses with pure afghani females...I would really like to give those a go sometime...

Sounds like you definitely know how to clean up the girls...I also am militant on keeping as many actual fan leaves as possible and only remove shoots...Never understood why people are so hasty to remove leaves that actually help...

I am going this weekend to bag up the purple haze we tore down a week ago...it looks fucking incredible. I will post some pics of it within a day or so...

And if you are curious, I posted some pics of my personal grow here...

please do!

Jack has 6 pistils at each site. I'm going huntin' for a few days so hopefully I'll come back to some nicely forming buds. The room is really starting to smell pretty heavily.

Now, what kind of weed do I take hunting? There's 3 non-tokers but they'll all want a rip, they always do . Do I take my brain melting SnS diesel, couch locking Mazar or speedy MyDawg? I'm thinking of taking the Diesel since it's the strongest stuff I have. It'll weed out the men from the boys, read: I'll be the only one awake after 30 minutes.

I like giving really strong sativas to non-smokers...just kidding, people freak out when I have done that...fuck I freak out still I can only imagine their ordeal.

I think you made the right decision though because usually when I am with non-smokers I am with pro-talkers and on a hunting trip I would want them to be as quiet as possible...knock 'em the hell out and get the trophy shot for yourself!

what are you hunting?

went out for wild hogs. Got a nice 125lbs boar. Netted 50lbs of the best pork in the world.

I tipped a bowl to 2 of the others, they were pretty jacked up for about 5 hours from 1 toke on the sweet-n-sour diesel but not freaking out. Mostly they wanted to be knocked out so the snoring from one of the other guys wouldn't keep them awake. Best sleep any of them had in a while and no hangover. Definitely 1 hitter quitter stuff for the average joe. I warned them and let them have a 20 minute come-up between tokes. Only 1 of them decided to have a 2nd hit.