JB's New Growroom with Graphics

OrganicCanuck said:

Hmm, like i said i never actually seen the tents in person, so you are probably right. I thought for sure it looked like solid construction.

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It's going to be fabric with mylar on the inside. I think they're 900D threaded and are are pretty durable.

OrganicCanuck said:

Yep the best vaporizer, i actually met the owner he used to sell the units him self in the Greater Toronto Area, would deliver it right to your house. I think this was before it was all CSA approved and on the actual market. He would charge i think like 80$ at the time, came with the remote, bag kit, whip kit, and the "aroma diffuser". This is going back 2004 i believe i bought the unit, still fully operational. The only issue is constantly breaking the whip elbow. Always my mistake though, knocking off table or getting up off the couch with the whip still in hand and you probably know what happens after that lol.

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That's cool! I bought a Volcano earlier this year and sold it after a couple months. I can get so much compressed vapor off one balloon, and it's heavy and dense like smoke. Incredible flavor! But it does have it's downsides. The glass parts break, and to fill my perfect balloons I have to run the fan on 2, which takes 3 minutes to fill a bag. Cleaning the parts kind of sucks, but I'm used to it.

I'm not knocking the Volcano or anything. I'm saying that I have learned how to get the most out of my Arizer, and I wasn't able to achieve the same with the Volcano.

OrganicCanuck said:

I also read you were going to use titan controls, timer or what have you. Did you already buy that? i have read they can be quite unreliable. I have had nothing but issue trying to automate my set up using similar digital products. I am currently working on a fully "arduino" controlled system, but its turning out to be complicated, writing program that is very specific to my needs and wants. I thought it would be cheaper to DIY, probably not, but its learning experience. In hind sight i should of just bought something for these guys.

https://www.controlanything.com/Relay/Relay/TARALIST_RELAY

Not all that expensive and everything is easy to set up, while still having total customization. Would work well with your setup, and really put the icing on the cake. There is still DIY work with this route as well, mounting the board in enclosure, adding receptacles, sensors what ever you want. : )

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No, I haven't heard about the timers being unreliable. I haven't bought anything but have used these in the past. I didn't really give much thoughts to the timers, because it's just a timer. How could something so simple screw up, right? The Titans are popular, which is why I was going to go with them. I appreciate you bringing this up, because I'll do some research on them and may go a different route if they are flawed.

JSB99 said:

There are a lot of things you can build yourself, or cut corners, to save money. But if you want a very reliable system, you're going to have to pony-up and pay for some of the things that are specially suited for that kind of system. I always made my own bulkheads and used round buckets. But I know if I want reliability I need to use real bulkheads (not Uniseals) and square buckets (which cost more). If you're trying to build a Ferrari, putting Hyundai tires on it is going to cause some problems. So I'll spend the extra money so that I don't have to worry about leaks

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A little patience with a heat gun and a flat metal plate or an iron can make a flat spot on the side of a plastic bucket good enough for a bulkhead. Practice on a sacrificial bucket to get the hang of it, I melted through a couple times. Then there's always a plastic welder. Just weld the fitting on.

72camaross said:

I love the look and usefulness of the 80/20 stuff ....

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This is kind of the unknown variable, because I don't know the limitations. But, the 80/20 site is pretty helpful and you can send designs to them and they'll figure out what thickness is needed, or if it's even feasible. Part of the reason I want to use 80/20 is because it's just so cool looking (lol)! Another major reason was the weight. Being extruded, that stuff is pretty light. Keeping my fingers crossed about being able to use them

WeedFreak78 said:

A little patience with a heat gun and a flat metal plate or an iron can make a flat spot on the side of a plastic bucket good enough for a bulkhead. Practice on a sacrificial bucket to get the hang of it, I melted through a couple times. Then there's always a plastic welder. Just weld the fitting on.

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LOL, never thought of that! Necessity is the mother of invention

OrganicCanuck said:

I also read you were going to use titan controls, timer or what have you. Did you already buy that? i have read they can be quite unreliable. I have had nothing but issue trying to automate my set up using similar digital products. I am currently working on a fully "arduino" controlled system, but its turning out to be complicated, writing program that is very specific to my needs and wants. I thought it would be cheaper to DIY, probably not, but its learning experience. In hind sight i should of just bought something for these guys.

https://www.controlanything.com/Relay/Relay/TARALIST_RELAY

Not all that expensive and everything is easy to set up, while still having total customization. Would work well with your setup, and really put the icing on the cake. There is still DIY work with this route as well, mounting the board in enclosure, adding receptacles, sensors what ever you want. : )

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I run Titans stuff, seems better quality to me than most of the other stuff I looked at. I always wonder about people's equipment failures. How/ where was it mounted, how was it cared for, was the case and cooling vents kept clean, did it experience extreme humidity or temp fluctuations that could cause condensation, was it accidentally sprayed with water, etc.

Arduino based room control is something I've looked into, but I don't need any more projects.

OrganicCanuck said:

I also read you were going to use titan controls, timer or what have you. Did you already buy that? i have read they can be quite unreliable. I have had nothing but issue trying to automate my set up using similar digital products. I am currently working on a fully "arduino" controlled system, but its turning out to be complicated, writing program that is very specific to my needs and wants. I thought it would be cheaper to DIY, probably not, but its learning experience. In hind sight i should of just bought something for these guys.

https://www.controlanything.com/Relay/Relay/TARALIST_RELAY

Not all that expensive and everything is easy to set up, while still having total customization. Would work well with your setup, and really put the icing on the cake. There is still DIY work with this route as well, mounting the board in enclosure, adding receptacles, sensors what ever you want. : )

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All of my Titan equipment has been nothing but bulletproof.

I've got most of the power laid out. I also labeled some of the equipment because of some confusion with the fans.

I had talked earlier about getting the right equipment. I haven't seen any negative responses about the size of the pumps I'll be going with. To me, that is really good. I had done tons of research and asked lots of questions about what the actual ideal pump capacity should be for a setup like this. The two pumps are really powerful, but they are the correct sizes. So I'm interested to see what the "ideal" system is able to produce compared to the ad-hoc systems I put together before.

I met with my pharmer yesterday and was telling him about COB LEDs. He's got his doubts, but he also hasn't kept up with what's been happening over the past year or so. So I'm really hoping that they match, or exceed, the output of a 1k HPS. I'm hoping to prove him wrong, because I want really LEDs to work and have been waiting years for the technology to catch up!

ttystikk said:

All of my Titan equipment has been nothing but bulletproof.

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I'm expecting to hear some positive feedback on the Titan's. I think this is the first I've heard of problems, but maybe its just with certain timers of their's. I remember when I got my first Titan in 2008. It took me a bit to get used to some of the things. Not everything worked in the way I expected it to, but it did work in the way it was intended to. After that, I never had a problem with mine.

JSB99 said:

I'm expecting to hear some positive feedback on the Titan's. I think this is the first I've heard of problems, but maybe its just with certain timers of their's. I remember when I got my first Titan in 2008. It took me a bit to get used to some of the things. Not everything worked in the way I expected it to, but it did work in the way it was intended to. After that, I never had a problem with mine.

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My advice is to avoid getting equipment with internal timers. It's too easy to plug the trigger cord into an external timer, easily replaced if it quits.

ttystikk said:

My advice is to avoid getting equipment with internal timers. It's too easy to plug the trigger cord into an external timer, easily replaced if it quits.

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Totally! If that timer goes and you're not comfortable digging into it with a soldering gun and a new timer, forget it. I take all my electronics apart for cleaning and always fix my own stuff. Saves so much money in repairs, especially if you keep your gear clean. My buddy gave me his 55" plasma years ago because it had a power problem. I replaced a couple blown capacitors and the TV last about 6 years. I had to replace the caps every so often, but for a free plasma, I'll spend a couple bucks every now and then

ttystikk said:

All of my Titan equipment has been nothing but bulletproof.

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Are we talking about outlet timers? Because I have a bunch of the Titan digital timers all going strong. But they are clearly identical to literally every other China made outlet timer out there, just with a Titan badge. Harbor Freight, Amazon, eBay... all the same.

Take that to mean whatever you like. No problems here.

ruwtz said:

Are we talking about outlet timers? Because I have a bunch of the Titan digital timers all going strong. But they are clearly identical to literally every other China made outlet timer out there, just with a Titan badge. Harbor Freight, Amazon, eBay... all the same.

Take that to mean whatever you like. No problems here.

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True enough, the point being if they quit the power controller isn't affected and a replacement is cheap.

ruwtz said:

Are we talking about outlet timers? Because I have a bunch of the Titan digital timers all going strong. But they are clearly identical to literally every other China made outlet timer out there, just with a Titan badge. Harbor Freight, Amazon, eBay... all the same.

Take that to mean whatever you like. No problems here.

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Ever take them apart and compare components? I haven't, but I'd be curious. After working somewhere that made their own control systems, I saw first hand the difference in component quality. We lost a contract because of circuit board failures, which were traced back to poor quality parts, which were bought due to a minimal cost savings over the components we usually used.

Kinda like flat screen TVs, as of 3 years ago there were only 4 actual flat panel display manufactures, but hundreds of component manufactures, that's why you can get a 50"tv for $500 or $2000. Screens probably the same, just cheap chips, capacitors, etc.

It used to be a company designed their whole product, it was unique to that manufacturer. Now, for something like a timer, they set their specs, then find components to build it: cases, knobs, circuits,etc,etc. There's probably one or 2 plastics companys pumping out all those timer cases.

ruwtz said:

Are we talking about outlet timers? Because I have a bunch of the Titan digital timers all going strong. But they are clearly identical to literally every other China made outlet timer out there, just with a Titan badge. Harbor Freight, Amazon, eBay... all the same.

Take that to mean whatever you like. No problems here.

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Exactly! An electronic timer is so simple, there's not much that messes up. If there is something messing up, I would imagine the fix would've been simple and already done.

Titan's have been around for years, and it's probably because they have good timers. I don't doubt people may experience problems. But I would bet that it has to do more with getting familiar with the timer and learning how it works. Like I said, I had some issues with my first Titan, but that's because I was trying to set it like my other two, non-Titan timers. Once I figured it out I never had an issue.

WeedFreak78 said:

Ever take them apart and compare components? I haven't, but I'd be curious. After working somewhere that made their own control systems, I saw first hand the difference in component quality. We lost a contract because of circuit board failures, which were traced back to poor quality parts, which were bought due to a minimal cost savings over the components we usually used.

Kinda like flat screen TVs, as of 3 years ago there were only 4 actual flat panel display manufactures, but hundreds of component manufactures, that's why you can get a 50"tv for $500 or $2000. Screens probably the same, just cheap chips, capacitors, etc.

It used to be a company designed their whole product, it was unique to that manufacturer. Now, for something like a timer, they set their specs, then find components to build it: cases, knobs, circuits,etc,etc. There's probably one or 2 plastics companys pumping out all those timer cases.

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Mass production is so much easier when multiple companies use the same components. But you're right, all those timers are made from the same circuitry. There is a standard clock chip, a couple relays, a timer chip, and a display chip that they all use. Even if you find a US company making them, the chips still come from China.

Got some more designed and new renderings.

The first set shows pretty much all the wiring routed. I've got a little bit more to do for the details. I also updated some of the labels for easier reading.

The second set shows the workbench and cabinets I'm going to put in. I had always planned on doing that but didn't think it would have an impact on where things are located. Right away I see that the pumps and chiller can easily fit under the workbench. So I'm going to slide the reservoir down and get them positioned underneath. I know there's going to be some standing heat under the bench. So what I'll do is get a couple 120mm case fans to exhaust the heat.

Doing this means I'm going to be running more 2" pipe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the corners and length of the 2" pipe won't have an effect on the flow because the pump's input is either 5/8" or 3/4". I'll have very little in that size, and that's where any bottlenecks are going to occur. As long as there's an abundance of water where the smaller pipe meets the larger, there shouldn't be much, or any, resistance.

The bench frame and legs shown are 1" x 1" lumber (which is really 3/4" x 3/4"). I was trying to keep it light, but I know it'll be flimsy, especially the legs. So I'm going to do away with the legs and use cables to suspend it (think of a pick-up's tailgate). The bench top is split at about 60/40, but I might stiffen up the frame. I'll see how it looks once I have it rendered.



Added power lights and changed the driver's material to a metal with less reflection


Let me know if anyone has any questions on my wiring. BTW, can I run two drivers off a single dimmer?




Water pump



Workbench, soon to be changed. The little black squares on the wall under the cabinet, and on the bench top, are magnets to hold it upright

The chiller stand and pumps would fit very well under the workbench, which is 32" off the floor

A couple under-cabinet floro's


I'll be doing away with the fold-up legs

Just noticed I spelled "Exhaust" wrong on the fan speed controller

You know if you made a game.....with growing in it....never know..

You're making some big shoes for the talk thing to fill, lol