greencropper
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thanks, i will look into it, im desperate in truth, loathsome disease it is
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Vnsmkr
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Cant hurt thats for sure. Yeah, sounds pretty fucked. I do think combination of LAB's/ bokashi would help restoring the natural there. Heres another few references. Hope it helps
greencropper
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thanks very much man, information is ammunition
Vnsmkr
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Absolutely, welcome
greasemonkeymann
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i'm 99% sure its not root bound, that looks totally different, it's possible your mix maybe staying too moist?
greasemonkeymann
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yea, but that's the exception to the rule.
there are WAY more advantages rather to the small possibility that a mold would attack and cause issues.
at least in my yrs of doing no-till, which no-till is NOT the "end-all-be-all", but for early mixes with little "runs" on the soil will have a less efficient soilweb, not quite as "dialed" in on the Ph from the root exudates
Not to mention the sheer fact that roots are LOADED with nutrients. All roots will accumulate nutrients that way, sort akin to dynamic accumulators only not as efficient.
google "sir howard's law of return"
that's the reason I was inspired to start a compost pile to begin with, that and to replace peat moss.
in a perfect world the entire plant would degrade back into the soil, but we "steal" the flowers and leaves, and therefore the growing media has to be replenished.
hence my adoration for leaves and grassclippings as the reamendment of choice, increase cec, has inherent slow release nutrients, and coupled with comfrey and you don't need to add traditional nutrients but maybe once a calendar yr or longer.
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Joe Blows Trees
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I sprayed the room again @greasemonkeymann so hopefully she'll straighten up for me and good to know it's not root bound.
@Vnsmkr I've placed my order for neem today and lacewing larvae. I found some aphids on my roses so I want to treat them too. Gonna spray them with soapy water tomorrow. Hoping the rain has knocked off alot of them today. I have some lavender herbs going now, plan to germ some more herbs this weekend. Might put some in the flowering chamber.
I'm going to run a setup with one plant in a pot with the rootball still in it and one with the rootball completely removed using clones of the same strain in a few weeks. I love learning.
@Vnsmkr I've placed my order for neem today and lacewing larvae. I found some aphids on my roses so I want to treat them too. Gonna spray them with soapy water tomorrow. Hoping the rain has knocked off alot of them today. I have some lavender herbs going now, plan to germ some more herbs this weekend. Might put some in the flowering chamber.
I'm going to run a setup with one plant in a pot with the rootball still in it and one with the rootball completely removed using clones of the same strain in a few weeks. I love learning.
greasemonkeymann
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is it this one man?
the grey one is a bitch for sure.
if so I got a remedy for you my man
this little bitch here
it's for roses, (I grow hybrid tea roses), spray the main stems EVERY day when its humid out.
greasemonkeymann
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reason I say it's not root bound is I've seen many plants that are five times the size and in half the container, even organically.
but you should see what those chem-hydro guys are doing in a party cup man, it's impressive to say the least.
greasemonkeymann
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if I were to make an educated guess i'd look at aeration/or too dense a soil media, or possibly the containers don't have good drainage, with a lot of organic material sometime settling can occur and the bottom get coagulated, that's why I LOVE the coco-wool to line the bottom, it acts like a spongey screen to keep the bottom from compacting.
but all those can lead to a moist media, which is inherently acidic, and anaerobic, which leads to even more problems.
I've made soil mixes before that were PERFECT, with the minor exception that over time they compacted and the drainage suffered, which equaled a less than optimal grow, after fluffing up that same mixture it did awesome.
but the way that claws down i'd look at PH, drainage or possibly that manure/compost is a lil richer than it indicated
or maybe a salt issue?
I've never used manure before
i'd bet large amounts of money if you transplanted into a different soil they'd BUST
well ironically I am using manure right as we speak in a experiment, but more so out of curiosity really. But that is in an established mix of mine
Joe Blows Trees
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The 12/12 Dr Grinspoon is actually in a compost, leaf conditioner and EWC mix with some lava rocks for aeration. I used that mix on a few plants while my soil mix was breaking down.
It could be compaction though or the soil is staying moist. I appreciate you saying something about it GMM because I'm gonna let it dry out well now and see how she does. Hopefully between that and the treatment, she'll bounce back.
It could be compaction though or the soil is staying moist. I appreciate you saying something about it GMM because I'm gonna let it dry out well now and see how she does. Hopefully between that and the treatment, she'll bounce back.
greasemonkeymann
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to help it dry out I suggest "scraping" or poking holes in the media with a shish-kebob skewer.
I have a feeling the DM on top is "sealing" it a lil when it dries, it compacts sorta similar to how peat does
when you trans next time try using these guys at the base, just cut them to fit.
this shit is golden, I NEVER go without it.
I also like to drill a BUNCH of holes at the bottom of the container to ensure it drains really well, I like half inch holes, as much as you can without compromising the structural integrity of the container
greencropper
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thanks but its not that one, its in the roots below surface level, its some form of root rot im not sure which one or a combo of others, i gather its across the surface of the ground here like an microscopic web, eg if i bring home a small potted mint plant within 3 days of placing pot anywhere on my property on top of the ground that plant will become very sick already, f i plant that plant out within 5 days it may survive(for some reason this disease thrives in standard potting mix & cannot be stopped no matter how much mycorrhizal treatment used), if i leave that mint(or any other plant) in that pot for 2 weeks it will certainly die, plants i have in pots now have actual soil/compost/coco mixes which the disease finds harder to occupy, BUT...i must use mycorrhizal treatment every time i water...sheeesh
Vnsmkr
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I get some locally acquired red lava rock and I usually add about an inch into bottom of my containers to do same thing. Great idea with coco wool.
greasemonkeymann
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hmmm, that's really odd man.. never heard of that before.
and myco doesn;t really do anything for that type of problem though.
I'd definetly get your own wormbin going, and a good compost pile, and I bet (hope) that those good microbials would outnumber the mold spores, but that sucks man, I've never even heard of anyone having that problem, and collectively I have seen my share of plants grown (probably over 5000 in total counting all my friiends and such)
Perhaps it's a sort of disease rather than a mold?
greencropper
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yes its an extremely potent disease, its got it own rules of engagement, eg if i plant in the ground with a good mix of compost & if i water every time with mycorrhizal till the plants are 3' then the mycorrhizal has built a strong enough structure in the medium i do not have to use the myco after that plant has attained that height...but if i just plant in the standard red clay soil 80% of the plants will succumb to the disease & fail no mater how much myco i use, with pots i can get 100% success rate but only with soil/manure/coco mixes & never typical purchased potting mix, i only just found these results after this disease being an issue for approx 14yrs, this disease would have claimed after this season at least 10k-15k sprouted beans since it started approx 14yrs ago, this season alone over 2k casualties just to get the handful i eventually grew out
greasemonkeymann
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fuck dude... at the cost of what it's doing have you consulted any agricultural experts?
being that it attack everything I bet somebody know wtf it is, and hopefully how to treat it
that's the weirdest shit man.. been growing since 1989 and I've never heard anything like it before.
not only cannabis either, I grow tea roses, lavenders, jasmines, horsetail, comfrey, tomatoes, peppers, etc, etc, and I've never heard of anything like that for any plant at all.
totally shitty man
i'd contemplate moving...
greencropper
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it does wipe out other crops here big time, recently a large ginger producer lost major crops to it, but again ive contacted the myco producers who would have the relevent info on combating this disease...yet they wont reply to emails etc, it possibly does not exist in your country too? & yes moving is looking like the only real option, possible even leaving the seedstock here too as people ive given beans to are noting that its possible the disease is coating them with many casualties arising where the disease does not inhabit, they are not using the myco treatment
greasemonkeymann
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i'm confused as to why the myco is helping though man, I have a pretty good understanding of how they work (probably more nerdy than it needs to be) but I don't see how mychorrizhae is helping this?
i'd be getting myself a dude with an agricultural PHD, and see what they think, we are just a bunch of pot-growing stoners here
greencropper
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the myco is helping because the disease is a form or root rot fungus, an especially virulent fungus, where i need to use double the recommended dosage of myco, again i live in a very remote area, there are no experts anywhere near, also the nature of the plant we prefer can make it difficult when questioned by an authority on plant issues about which crops im growing, it may sound weird but im soo happy ive found the myco works...even if its in a very limited way, before the myco my crops were like devastated battlefields...with plant corpses everywhere..total devastation yr after yr, at least now i can grow enough to keep me going till the next season, costing a lot but still cheaper than buying, but unless a miracle happens in that a real answer arises then im outta here to greener 'virgin' pastures unaffected by this blight!