Judyism. Something we can all believe in

Well it's time to start a mini grow again. My last (and first) grow was quite successful thanks to all you and your great ideas.
Many thanks all.
This time I am gonna try my luck in the garage. I have a 3 foot high work bench that I drywalled off the interior (and sealed) 5 of the 6 sides. I made up a panel for the front that when in place blocks all the light from exiting the area and being seen. I used foam tape around the front door so the box seals completely. The only air going in or out is controlled by my fans.
I have an inline (100 CFM) Fantech fan pulling the nice cool garage air in and a small secondary fan blowing out. I am still in the design phase for the carbon filter but my first grow taught me loads and I am pretty sure I can keep the scent down. I have 900 watts of CFL - a grab bag of bulbs from my first grow. I have set up a thermostat from an old attic exhaust fan to control the secondary fan (when it gets over 85) so my system is quiet and invisible to the casual observer.
I just picked up a clone leaf:master kush) from a buddy for the price of gas to go get her . Her name is Judy. Sweet Judy
All my girls are named Judy.
I am into Judyism, and I hope to find nirvana once we sacrifice Judy
Judy will be grown in soil as I know way too little about the other options and better the devil you know
I plan to try to train her to grow out flat and wide since I have limited area for her. true growing area (minus the pot and lighting) is 48" wide x 18" deep x 24" tall. I will top her at about 10" and stretch her out as she grows.
here are her birthday pics

Comments or suggestions are welcome

. My judy has the crabs.

Spider mites came with my free clone.

I guess I got what I paid for.

Thought fer sure I was scrod. Lucky for me Judy was small when I discovered the borg.
I decided to go medieval on the scourge. Surrounded her with no pest (sticky) strips and flat yellow sticky strips (pulled for the pic). Whatever aint already there dont get in and I'm gonna nuke those that stay around. Nabbed some "Bayer Advanced" with up to "30 days protection" from the Ol ladies garden arsenal. Sprayed the crap out of her and three days later nothin but green. I know this is some bad ass shit but I've got at least 2 months more before I go bud. Many a flushing gonna happen between now & then.
But wait. I'm not finished with those little beasts. Following that up with Neem oil for the next two weeks and follow that with some other yet to be determined deterrent.

Judy is filling out like a bush. I plan to train her out flat since my up is limited.
While I was fighting the borg I found three bag weed seeds. I figured that I might loose judy and so I dropped them in a cup O H2O in a cabinet and to my surprise two cracked.
BS Judy 1 popped her (I hope) head out of the soil this morning

Well here is my setup
The coil is my cooling system. Its relatively passive. My 4" Fantech (white) exhauster is pulling through a home made scrubber like the ones described in this forum (Upper right ) and on the exhaust end of the fan I split the exhaust to blow through the 1/2" copper coil that has a milk jug filled with water and frozen into a block of ice sitting in it's center. I replace the block of ice every day at sunrise (judy time) My filtered makeup fan (left rear Black) only blows when the lights run but it blows down and across the coil and jug. Outside is 95+ and judy stays 75-80 during her day and as low as 65 during her night.
I just started training and I think she will get topped in 3-4 more days.
Ill have more pics next week of the (I hope) bagseed twin judy's.

Been two weeks since judy came home and she is getting bushy. I topped her last night and I am currently training her to go as flat as possible.
The bag-seed # 2 just popped up and so now I have Judy (a clone) and two mystery bag-seed plants. I just sprayed again for mites and since my fan & lights go off for 6 hours and my grow is sealed very well I decided to inject loads of CO2 in. I read that CO2 might help in killing the borg and so WTF. I'll inject a load every 2 hours for the 6 lights out hours. Gonna try that for three or four days in a row. figure couldn't hurt.

I'll have more pics of judy and the judettes later.

Damn bugs are a pain. hopefully you can clean it up. growing in a garage is risky business. subbed

Nice plants, and nice way with writing. Subbed.

The grow area is isolated, framed, drywalled and the seams sealed. All intake air runs through3 inches of fiberglass air filter media and all air exit runs through an activated carbon filter scrubber with carbon packets inline. The setup is clean and simple.
Risky how so?

Any and all advice is appreciated.

The judettes making their debut.
Both seedlings are up now.
6 days for the first and 3 days for the other. Here are their first pics. I water them by setting them in water and letting them wick it up every 3 days. Then I let them enjoy the light and grow to big ladies (I hope)..

As you can see Judy is quite bushy. She is only about 6" tall but she has about 12 branches and lots of leaves. In this way she is very different than my first grow. that one was tall and spindly. Thats ok by me though because I have limited height this time.

Training is going well so far. I have the bottom two branches going horizontal and I am starting on a few more as they get big enough to work with.

Temp is steady between 69 (at night) and about 81 at the hottest part of the day.
The borg may still be here. It's really hard to spray the underside of every leaf with so many leaves and her short stems. I'm gonna pick up a third bug poison and rotate between all three until I am sure they are dead. gotta get em all or all will be lost and I'm not gonna let em kill judy.
There may not even be one

Peace all.

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rollitup said:

To get an accurate diagnosis of your plant we need as much information as possible.

1) PICTURE OF PLANT *** VERY IMPORTANT ***
2) Growing indoor or outdoors
3) Watering schedule
4) Growing Medium
5) What stage of growth

The more information you put in here the better diagnosis you will get.

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Indoor grow cabinet
Soil (miracle grow potting soil 21-7-14) in a 8"round pot. (it worked on my other grow)
900 Watts CFL multi spectrum 18 hours on 6 off. lights within 4" of plant.
She is a clone from a friend (Master Kush?) I have had her for 15 days and I think she was 1-2 weeks old when I got her.
I have a 3 foot high work bench that I drywalled off the interior (and sealed) 5 of the 6 sides. I made up a panel for the front that when in place blocks all the light from exiting the area and being seen. I used foam tape around the front door so the box seals completely. The only air going in or out is controlled by my fans.
I mist her every two days w/ RO water.
I water when the top soil is dry and the pot gets light (about 1/2 gal every 6 days)
My water has a 6.4 - 7 PH ( I use test strips to test the RO water) the runoff is about 7 ph
I have an inline (100 CFM) Fantech fan exhausting through a carbon scrubber and a second fan pulling air into the cabinet with 3 inches of fiberglass filter media in filtering the incoming air.
Temperature runs from 69-82 on the hot days.
I had mites and I used some spray.
Bayer: Imidacloprid .012%
Tau-Fluvalinate .014% two weeks ago

Found more mites and sprayed
Echosense: Sulfer .02%
Ptrethrins .01% a week ago and again two days ago.

I topped her about 5 days ago and she is in training to lay out flat. (I have limited space up).
Tonight I saw this happening to a fan leaf. Cut and this is the issue up close.
Please help me save this lady.

try watering her with just water for a while. no nutes and no balancing of the ph.

methias said:

Been two weeks since judy came home and she is getting bushy. I topped her last night and I am currently training her to go as flat as possible.
The bag-seed # 2 just popped up and so now I have Judy (a clone) and two mystery bag-seed plants. I just sprayed again for mites and since my fan & lights go off for 6 hours and my grow is sealed very well I decided to inject loads of CO2 in. I read that CO2 might help in killing the borg and so WTF. I'll inject a load every 2 hours for the 6 lights out hours. Gonna try that for three or four days in a row. figure couldn't hurt.

I'll have more pics of judy and the judettes later.

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Actually it can hurt, plants don't breathe very much co2 during dark periods, they actually use more oxygen then. You want to use co2 during your light period. It can poison the plant if you use too much or use it at the wrong time.

methias said:

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Indoor grow cabinet
Soil (miracle grow potting soil 21-7-14) in a 8"round pot. (it worked on my other grow)
900 Watts CFL multi spectrum 18 hours on 6 off. lights within 4" of plant.
She is a clone from a friend (Master Kush?) I have had her for 15 days and I think she was 1-2 weeks old when I got her.
I have a 3 foot high work bench that I drywalled off the interior (and sealed) 5 of the 6 sides. I made up a panel for the front that when in place blocks all the light from exiting the area and being seen. I used foam tape around the front door so the box seals completely. The only air going in or out is controlled by my fans.
I mist her every two days w/ RO water.
I water when the top soil is dry and the pot gets light (about 1/2 gal every 6 days)
My water has a 6.4 - 7 PH ( I use test strips to test the RO water) the runoff is about 7 ph
I have an inline (100 CFM) Fantech fan exhausting through a carbon scrubber and a second fan pulling air into the cabinet with 3 inches of fiberglass filter media in filtering the incoming air.
Temperature runs from 69-82 on the hot days.
I had mites and I used some spray.
Bayer: Imidacloprid .012%
Tau-Fluvalinate .014% two weeks ago

Found more mites and sprayed
Echosense: Sulfer .02%
Ptrethrins .01% a week ago and again two days ago.

I topped her about 5 days ago and she is in training to lay out flat. (I have limited space up).
Tonight I saw this happening to a fan leaf. Cut and this is the issue up close.
Please help me save this lady.

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That could be a few different issues, it's hard to tell because the problem really isn't that serious at all yet, so don't worry too much right now. Personally I think it's a slight nutrient lock up from being a little bit root bound. If you are really concerned, I would transplant your baby to a 3 or 5 gallon pot right now so that her root system can get as big as it wants to get. This usually alleviates problems like you are having with the SLIGHT discoloration of the lower leaves you have going on, which could also be (but probably isn't) a condition caused by your soil. (looks like you could use more perlite tho, you should get vermiculite as well to add to the new soil for the transplant) Flushing with clean water for your next watering would be advised as well, whether you transplant or not. But I am really urging you to do the transplant, you'll be shocked at how she takes off practically over night. Hope this helps, good luck!

methias said:

I topped her about 5 days ago and she is in training to lay out flat. (I have limited space up).
Tonight I saw this happening to a fan leaf. Cut and this is the issue up close.
Please help me save this lady.

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Try topping both the new bud sites in another 3-5 days once they have grown 3 sets of nodes. Then you will end up with 4 big kolas up top. At that point you can choose to remove the lowest bud site to spur growth in those upper kolas, but you don't have to in order to get the 4 tops. It just helps them grow bigger. It's a great technique!

Thanks rombomb420,
I think I will repot asap. Like tomorrow after work, pretty sure that's due. Gonna pick up a pot and more soil. Gonna PU some vermiculite and perlite to mix in too.
I want to keep it as shallow as possible due to my low ceiling but I get the feeling shallow jus aint gonna do it. Looking like some major training's gonna be happening in those (now) twenty inches tall I'm gonna have to grow in with a 3-4 gallon pot. Will let you know how this works out Fri or Sat.
"Slight discoloration" OK my lack of experience is really showing I guess. But I have the will and the ability to learn.
And yes I plan one more topping thank you.

Judette #1 was just given her first repot. 4" round 7" tall. I mixed some of the MG 3/4 and worm castings <1/4 with a little pumice for extra drainage
Gave her a deep soaking and back to her place in my CFL sun room.

Judette #2 is doing well too. Looks like I really gotta stock up on pots and soil mix stuff. Tryin to decide if I can afford a good PH tester since $$$ is tight. Have test strips now and they are better than that piece O crap moisture / light / PH meter I have.

Gonna PU a poison no pest strip for the cabinet too. Must be vigilant when the Borg are involved.

When it comes to the Borg it's make WAR not


May all your tokes be mellow! + rep

Turns out my ph was high. Don't know WTF I did.
OK I gotta get a good digital PH meter.
How much you think a good one will co$t me?
Anyone got ideas on which brands are good or which to stay away from. I see a load of em online.

Thanks again in advance.kiss-ass

methias said:

Turns out my ph was high. Don't know WTF I did.
OK I gotta get a good digital PH meter.
How much you think a good one will co$t me?
Anyone got ideas on which brands are good or which to stay away from. I see a load of em online.

Thanks again in advance.kiss-ass

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Tap water in many areas can make your ph high. What is it exactly? Usually if you mix your nute solution & it's a little hot like a 5.0 or 5.5 & your regular water is high like a 9 it all end up evening out in the soil. Or you can use distilled water, but that does add up over time. When I did ph I always used the drops, not the strips. I don't find much need to do it now that I know a good basic formula that works for me.

Glad you are considering takin the advice on the repot man. If you wanna go back through my grow journal in my sig you can see the difference it made for my beauties.

Well Judy is now in a 12" round x 9" tall pot (was 8 x 7) and she has MG 60%, MG seed starter 20%, worm Castings 10%, or there abouts. I added a healthy dose of perlite as well.
I picked up on a (slightly) better PH meter and I was sooooooo off. Turns out my tap water is about 5.2 but my reverse osmosis water is 6.6 so from this time on judy only gets good RO water. Probably piss off my Ol lady but WTF.
Gonna test the soil after it finishes draining. I gave Judy a really good soaking / flushing right after transplanting her.

Under the heading of "The only good Borg is a dead Borg" I got one of those Hotshot no past strips and set it up in the cabinet. Yes I read all the warnings here and figured its them or judy sooooo. them.

The Judettes are doing fine so far and #2 is gonna be ready for her next pot in about a week. I will update with some pics this weekend and barring any major idiot moves on my part I am on my way to a happy garden.


Again Many thanks to all and may all your tokes be mellow

sharon1 said:

Nice plants, and nice way with writing. Subbed.

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And thank you for stopping by.

methias said:

Well Judy is now in a 12" round x 9" tall pot (was 8 x 7) and she has MG 60%, MG seed starter 20%, worm Castings 10%, or there abouts. I added a healthy dose of perlite as well.
I picked up on a (slightly) better PH meter and I was sooooooo off. Turns out my tap water is about 5.2 but my reverse osmosis water is 6.6 so from this time on judy only gets good RO water. Probably piss off my Ol lady but WTF.
Gonna test the soil after it finishes draining. I gave Judy a really good soaking / flushing right after transplanting her.

Under the heading of "The only good Borg is a dead Borg" I got one of those Hotshot no past strips and set it up in the cabinet. Yes I read all the warnings here and figured its them or judy sooooo. them.

The Judettes are doing fine so far and #2 is gonna be ready for her next pot in about a week. I will update with some pics this weekend and barring any major idiot moves on my part I am on my way to a happy garden.


Again Many thanks to all and may all your tokes be mellow

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Sounds good. I use RO water.

Judy just woke up. Her AM is 8 PM. That way her lights are off during the hottest part of the day. It gets toastysometimes here in S Cal. Even more so in Riverside County.
Just added a small fan in the cabinet. Needed something to thicken the stalks. I have high hopes for Judy.

My watt meter shows that with 3 fans and 900 W CFL and a timer I am only drawing 250 watts actual. I masked the power increase by shutting off a computer that ran 24/7 with a 450 watt PS.
So power wise this grow saves me some $$$

Had some nice Vape a bit ago and then tended to Judy's needs.
Not sure if that was great hits or the no pest thing fumes ..

well all.

Oh I checked her PH and the soil reads 6.2 so maybe I am on the right track





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