Leaf damage? Dtw coco

Wow, how rare is a node growing out a node in veg? I seen it happen in flower. Its usually bud and limited to the age of plant before harvest. I had a stressed auto just keep going and going in the larf area and canopy.

Just amazes me that it can pop something out of there.

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Arrggh not my fav place to be but not a huge deal. Is this vpd? 1 Liter floraflex pot 1.7-1.8ec twice a day. 63-72F 30-45rh 24h lighting.

Looks rough on the leaves. Led is next to off position. Its got this double serated tips on few leaves is that mutation?

Hows it looking? Just a crammed off enviorment? Leafs look rough is all I can describe. Dont want stressed clones its a mother cabinet and bonsai mothers.

They are about 2 months old. Also looks defecient.

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Crap I didnt mean to push this into last page. Im thinking of feeding 3x or 4x a day but may not help.

I was last suggested that ec and pot size not correlated but one said my cup plant I grew here that the ec needed be much lower for such small root ball.

Any thoughts?

Is it normal for one clone with 130w light to be more terpy than counterparts at 65w?

I can swipe anywhere and its terpy can smell it good but the other clones flipped same time lack smell like any smell when swiping leafs.

The 130w has no chart but heres the 65w. Thing is they have a 130w version of same light that dont look much better. The dark blue background one is the 130w.

First ones the 130w the others 65w. Idk if just me but looks like the pistol count is higher in the 130w. This would be my first encounter of not using enough light, just didnt notice til I ran clones.

I intended to use them as veg lights so caught me by surprise. First time using these lights to flower.

Crap, I swiped both again and its clear ones terping up already and the others arent. Today makes 3 weeks since flip. Is it too late to hang up a stronger light if I can get it in a couple days? Shoot wtf.

Ok im just tripping I think. The other clones are under mars hydro ts1000 at 18”. Flipped same time and its inbetween the 65w and 130w light, not that terpy but better than the 65w.

Interesting so my cheap aftermarket 130w ufo clone is the sauciest already, full smell profile already.

The mars hydro is 150w for 2.5’x2.5’ as suggested by them. Its a 2x2 light but some where its marketed for 2.5x2.5 flower. Its got a greener smell less saucy when I swipe leaf.

Anyone know whats going on here between these 3 different enviorment clones same strain?

Is that a calyx? Pistol but no frost like a nanner but its not. What is it? And then I circled another spot on another plant in photo, that doesnt look like a nanner forming does it?

On the look out for nanners from last run. Edit I think I seen the bare calyx before on another strain, is that all it is?

By the way those clones got better but still stands, theyre not as good as the others but the 130w ufo over the good clone is dimmed a lot and still growing smelly.

Dont have to swipe leafs can just stick my head in tent and smell it. Idk whats going on here.

medidedicated said:

Crap, I swiped both again and its clear ones terping up already and the others arent. Today makes 3 weeks since flip. Is it too late to hang up a stronger light if I can get it in a couple days? Shoot wtf.

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No

Just used a lux meter again not as bad as I thought close to 600ppfd in more areas than I thought and 900 in the center.

Right now its a lot like the 2x2 130w ufo thats dimmed but I tested that too. It has the ppfd im looking for. More solid. Doesnt drop off as far on edges.

I should get through a grow or two and look into just getting new tent that can hold a better light. Thing is scrog a 2x2 is tough. Before you know only way left to grow is upward.

@curious2garden I dont want to hijack a thread, I have a question. You said root bound plants and dim lighting can cause flowering. I have 1L floraflex mother plants, how often would I need to swap them out?

Its ok if they end up revegging a little. Just curious how long they might have before needing be swapped.

Photo for reference, theyll be bonsais constantly trimmed. They wont need to make cuttings just storing genetics. Found out quick I can just take cuttings from veg plants before flip. Just back up plants.

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Photo for reference, theyll be bonsais constantly trimmed. They wont need to make cuttings just storing genetics. Found out quick I can just take cuttings from veg plants before flip. Just back up plants.

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They look really well though!

medidedicated said:

@curious2garden I dont want to hijack a thread, I have a question. You said root bound plants and dim lighting can cause flowering. I have 1L floraflex mother plants, how often would I need to swap them out?

Its ok if they end up revegging a little. Just curious how long they might have before needing be swapped.

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It's a function of how low the light is and how tight the roots feel. Let me get you a pic from my grow this morning. I'm ripping my grow apart. So nothing is moving right now and I'm trying to slow everything up. Here's my blooming clones under 18/6



To the left of them is my cloner with their progeny. So these are just kept alive until their clones are ready and I'm in chop so they need to wait until Monday. As you can see my PPFD is a joke and they are in pint pots flowering like bad boys under 18/6. I am now curious to see if they might finish LOL. I'm too curious for my own good.

If you are talking about stalling the moms off and keeping them small, don't be afraid to give them a root trimming too, while your at it defoliating up above. Pull em up out of the pots, and cut off most of the outer roots that have swirled around the perimeter. Sever the main tap root if you need to. That outta slow her down! Your in square pots, so you could probably slice all the edges of the root ball off with a big sharp knife (like cutting of slices of bread ). Do it over a drop cloth or something so you don't make a big mess, and be sanitary about the whole process. Then re-pot the smaller coco\root cube you're left with right back into the pot again, with a new layer of fresh medium all the way around.

Yea see my ppfd is probably the same using strip lights. The ufo is dim with one plant grown into it. Its tough shaping it to grow over the others and yield cuttings.

Also hard getting it in line with when I need cuttings. Maybe with some practice but their looking stressed, just added an extra feed per day. Hoping they dont flower.

Might cut the big plant down and use the ufo for optimal lighting.

I cant get two clones to runoff right before overflowing due to the pots being packed with coco and roots. Theyre set in place. I tried adding a valve and reatricting some water but just wont drain fast enough.

I have 5 clones being fed at once and two of them are doing this. Same tent. The others are fine in other tents.

Should I chunk out a bit of roots off the top? Will it harm the plant? Stab a stake through it for water tunnels?

I would probably go for the air layering approach to keep perpetually cloning the small bonsai moms. Take one or 2 big clones, up to 50% of the plant, and throw out the lower rooted half as soon as the upper clone is ready. I would use 3-4 root plugs as the medium and wrap with plastic syran wrap. Run an extra little dripper feed line into the air layer medium for auto watering. Then you can let them grow without wasting time pruning all the time, and also be cloning the new moms at the same time with 99 percent success rate, without worrying about taking a bunch of small cuttings that may or may not root and need a whole other space and more equipment to deal with..

As for the overflowing clone pots, one trick (that I don't really recommend, lol) is to jam a funnel into the medium right down into the roots, and let your drippers or feed lines run into that instead. Kinda like adding oil to your car or whatever with a funnel, so you don't spill out all over the valve cover, and can pour way more in at once. Use a big enough funnel (with a small enough hole), and it could hold the entire amount that you need to feed, and will slowly make its way down in at a rate that won't overflow.

If you try to slow down one of the lines coming from thew manifold with a valve, it will make all the other lines/pots get more, even if they all have valves too.. It wont get the same amount of solution compared to the rest. DTW systems can be tricky like that, and it sucks when one pot is more compacted\hydrophobic or root bound than the others, etc. Clones never seem to grow exactly the same. If I went back to top feed, I would use one little mini pump and a cheap timer for every pot on the table, lol. Have full control over each and every plant site.. but then again that could be a lot of programming..