LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

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novice11

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I'm not trying to start a flame war. Actually the title is "LEDs WITHOUT LEDS....". Also I have been here for some time and have read every page.

Anyway, my 660s just arrived and I plugged them in, replacing 2 failing Red Suns and one of the Purples. Been flowering 4 weeks so the timing should be perfect. So - 3 660s, 2 Purples, 1 Red Sun, 1 Coral Wave and 1 454.

Opinions - should I replace one if the remaining Purples with another 660?
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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listen dude all he was implying was the spectrum covered not, not using leds(double negative but you get the point)

yeah i would just because you dont really need that much low spectrum(420nm)
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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PetFlora said:
Wow. It's amazing how simple math can be so confusing. UVL says We are seeing useful life at 4500hrs before 25% decline in phosphor drop. PERIOD


Take 4500 useful hours multiply by 25% decline in phosphors = 3375 hours at 100%. This means if you are using them only for flower @ 10 hrs/day you will get 337.5 days of 100% phosphor before they decline. This is why UVL says they recommend replacing yearly.

If you are running them in both veg and flower OBVIOUSLY the useful life will be drastically reduced. I have it on excellent authority (not UVL) that the Red Life/Sun (630) will provide ~95% of what the plant needs, SO, why waste money on 660s (until mid-flower). Follow this logic and you will double the useful life of UVL 660s

Any questions?

Pop over to my journal, I posted 4 new pics
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Right on, this is fucking genius.

The 660nm are more for budding, BUT will help keep your plants shorter in veg BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! So keep a couple(or 1) in your veg fixture and the deep red will help keep your plants shorter AND stockier as well.
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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polyarcturus said:
listen dude all he was implying was the spectrum covered not, not using leds(double negative but you get the point)
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It's like they just can't comprehend simple patterns of thought. LOL

Oh wait, I don't see the word "computer" in the forum title, so does that mean it's against the rules to post messages with a computer now? I don't see the word "electricity" in the title, so does that mean if you power your T5's with electricity you are doing the thread in the butt as well? LOL, just had to.
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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my questionis how you get to 333 posts with one rep bar lol if i could fonz id rep you for just making me laugh guess i owe you a rep rain check.
 
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novice11

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polyarcturus said:
my questionis how you get to 333 posts with one rep bar lol if i could fonz id rep you for just making me laugh guess i owe you a rep rain check.
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Because I ask questions instead of giving answers when I don't know them.

Gee, I said straight out I wasn't looking to start a flame war. I suppose some people just can't resist. Fragile egos and all that, I suppose.
 
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Fonzarelli said:
It's like they just can't comprehend simple patterns of thought. LOL

Oh wait, I don't see the word "computer" in the forum title, so does that mean it's against the rules to post messages with a computer now? I don't see the word "electricity" in the title, so does that mean if you power your T5's with electricity you are doing the thread in the butt as well? LOL, just had to.
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More idiocy. Not Helpful.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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They're grrreat. With the infrared 760 nm from the coral waves and the 660nm deep red from flora suns or uvl, rock hard buds every time. Denser than what I would get from my 1000w hortilux. Im pretty sure that its mostly due to the large amount of IR. Google; texas a&m , how infrared light affects plants. Interesting study. Good read too.
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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yeah even when i grew with t12 i was getting great bud density i think you talking about 150hps or leds by themselves or something.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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novice11 said:
I'm not trying to start a flame war. Actually the title is "LEDs WITHOUT LEDS....". Also I have been here for some time and have read every page.

Anyway, my 660s just arrived and I plugged them in, replacing 2 failing Red Suns and one of the Purples. Been flowering 4 weeks so the timing should be perfect. So - 3 660s, 2 Purples, 1 Red Sun, 1 Coral Wave and 1 454.

Opinions - should I replace one if the remaining Purples with another 660?
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IMO you have way more 660 than you need. Replace 1-2 with ZooMed Florosun

 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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novice11 said:
More idiocy. Not Helpful.
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Strange way of asking for help. Diss the people you are asking the help from. Lol, kids these days.

novice11 said:
Hmmm....one person says I don't need all that 420nm in bloom and to add 660nm but you say I don't need as much 660nm and to add some 420nm. I guess there is no consensus?
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Why don't you just try both ways? And which ever works best is probably the one you want to go with
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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Wanted to update everyone. 1 week of growth in soil and coco. Fixture from left to right is UVL 660nm, TrueLumen 460nm, UVL 660nm, UVL 75/25(for violet),
Fixture,

Orange Diesel,

Sour Diesel,

Blueberry,

Lemon Skunk,

Lavender,


I'm really liking how compact they are growing.
 
ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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Guys ... I'm back.


What did I miss ? Have we come across a manufacturer that will customize bulbs??

Im seeing 760nm bulbs now??


Fonz- plants look beautiful mate. Keep it up
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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novice11 said:
Hmmm....one person says I don't need all that 420nm in bloom and to add 660nm but you say I don't need as much 660nm and to add some 420nm. I guess there is no consensus?
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flora sun peaks at 420 460 and 630 nm its a great bulb and i would have told you to buy that one if you where willing to buy a bulbs but you made it seem as if you had the 660 on haand so i simply told you to use what you had. florasun has a more balanced spectrum and you dont need as much 660nm as you are trying to add. but either way is fine
 
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novice11

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Fonzarelli said:
Strange way of asking for help. Diss the people you are asking the help from. Lol, kids these days.
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Perhaps you should look back and see where you say I "can't comprehend simple patterns of thought". That doesn't seem helpful to me. And I do not dis unless dissed.

Also - I'm no kid, I'm nearly 60.

I will continue to ask for help when needed. I appreciate all helpful answers. But if you need an ego boost, please look elsewhere. Amazing though how people like to talk tough when there is no possibility of reprisal. How brave!!!
 
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novice11

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polyarcturus said:
flora sun peaks at 420 460 and 630 nm its a great bulb and i would have told you to buy that one if you where willing to buy a bulbs but you made it seem as if you had the 660 on haand so i simply told you to use what you had. florasun has a more balanced spectrum and you dont need as much 660nm as you are trying to add. but either way is fine
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Sorry I keep forgetting this is a more experimental situation. I did have the 660 on hand. So maybe I have too much red now but its 3 weeks till harvest, I'm thinking they might like it, we'll see.

I appreciate the flora sun tip - when my Purples start to go south they will be replaced with the Flora Suns. Certainly more $$ friendly than the KZ Purples.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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The zoo med flora suns have more 660nm band than any other part of the spectrum. The guiesseman flora suns have more 630nm than any other part of the spectrum.
 
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